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Panich52

(5,829 posts)
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:21 PM Jul 2016

It's not the Party, it's the Candidate

The GOP backs party before country. Great numbers of them proven that by repeatedly endorsing a candidate they said was unqualified, dangerous, a conman, and worse. I can only imagine that while the fascist wannabe dictator seems to think he can control Congress and rule by dictate, Repub leaders must expect they'll maintain control of Congress and rein in Trump. But how much "reining in" can be expected from a party that puts it's desire for power above the good of the country?

For most of the year, the Democrats have fought their own unity challenges, mostly due to supporters of an independent vying for the Dem candidacy. Now, thanks to (possibly Russian/Trump-backed) Wikileaks, that divisiveness is renewed just when unity is most needed. But it is a huge mistake to doom the country (for generations if one considers the Supreme Court situation) due to party machinations.

Politics has always been a mud-slinging business. Behind the scenes has always been plotting and nefarious schemes, the worst of which are rarely put into motion. Considering RNC leaders were against Trump, I'd like to see Wikileaks hack of their plotting against him. I suspect it would make Wasserman Shultz's emails look tame. But DWS isn't a candidate.

Party shouldn't be why one votes for/against a candidate — the policies of the candidates are the issue. One hopes the party backing the nominee will fully support their policies (platforms are an indication), but I also am still enough of a 60s idealist to hope that a candidate can, and should, choose country over party.

Trump is putting country before party, even though he clearly shows no comprehension of the social justice ideals upon which this country was founded. I expect Hillary Clinton to do the same — she has shown traces of that. Clinton recently revoked her support for TransPacific Partnership and convinced Tim Kaine to do likewise. And despite any "rigging" revealed by hacked emails, Bernie Sanders did get many of his progressive stances put on party platform.

The upshot is that nothing in the DNC's hacked correspondence alters the choices. Berniebots may disrupt Dem Convention, but Clinton still won the votes and will be the nominee. DNC and RNC be damned, in November the decision rational folk will make is voting for a highly qualified politician with a record of fighting for minority and women's rights who has exhibited a strong willingness to listen and respond positively to citizens' wishes instead of for a narcissistic, bigoted, racist, misogynistic old white guy whose most ardent supporters cling to the flag of the Confederacy and/or willingly buy the garbage they read on StormFront and Alex Jones.



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BTW, I'm also posting this on Daily Kos





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It's not the Party, it's the Candidate (Original Post) Panich52 Jul 2016 OP
Both sides are party over candidate.... Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #1
This site isn't a "party." brer cat Jul 2016 #4
Here is the deal reggaehead Jul 2016 #6
Either I didn't make ny point, or you misread it Panich52 Jul 2016 #9
The Republican Party will be accessories to whateve shit Trump pulls. avebury Jul 2016 #2
Trump puts Trump before everything Orangepeel Jul 2016 #3
Yep, I should have said he "claims" to put country first Panich52 Jul 2016 #7
Trump puts TRUMP over party. He does NOT put country over party! nt tblue37 Jul 2016 #5
See my reply to Orangepeel (#3) Panich52 Jul 2016 #8
 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
1. Both sides are party over candidate....
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jul 2016

Evidence One the policy here at DU.....you must support the candidate.

Your article makes the point well..point being party over individual voice.

brer cat

(24,578 posts)
4. This site isn't a "party."
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 03:36 PM
Jul 2016

It's a private group where the owners can establish any rules they want. You are free to leave if you don't like the rules and have your own group where your "individual voice" is the rule if that is what you want.

reggaehead

(269 posts)
6. Here is the deal
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie lost. And Bernie lost decisively. You can talk about voter suppression in Az. That's a State thing. You can talk about delegates not allowed in Nevada. That's incompetence on their part (they had no business being as hostile as they were btw. that was reason enough to kill his campaign on the spot). But the fact is, Hillary is the nominee.She is well qualified as I'm sure you know. Dipstick Donald is qualified to squeeze his daughter's butt cheeks and that's it. So what's it gonna be? Are you going to vote for the most qualified candidate? And in doing so affirm the greatness of our current Presidents time in office. Or will you turn your back on the most qualified candidate in this election. And watch the Regressive Party dismantle the accomplishments of a great President.The choice is yours.

Panich52

(5,829 posts)
9. Either I didn't make ny point, or you misread it
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:46 PM
Jul 2016

Last paragraph is the point—2 very different candidates; party to which each belongs is irrelevant

avebury

(10,952 posts)
2. The Republican Party will be accessories to whateve shit Trump pulls.
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 02:40 PM
Jul 2016

There is no excuse for putting Trump in a position to have access to national security briefings. They should be extremely concerned that he might give information to a foreign power or spout something publicly.

Panich52

(5,829 posts)
7. Yep, I should have said he "claims" to put country first
Sun Jul 24, 2016, 09:42 PM
Jul 2016

Very tough f/ such a narcissist to put anything above himself

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