Yes, the party was more supportive of Hillary

[Cosmocat]

Look, I voted Bernie and I would rather he was the nominee.

But, I always knew Hillary was going to win, and this was part of it.

Bernie is awesome, but Bernie spent his whole career as an Independent/Socialist.

While he was mostly inline with the democratic party and caucused with the democratic party, he was not a member or active in democratic politics for the most part.

Meanwhile, Hillary has been active at a VERY high level for a quarter century. She campaigned for and supported hundreds of democrats actively.

So, was the party going to support her?

Yeah.

He had every opportunity to run as an Indy, and not risk being bumped by a stronger establishment choice, he would be on the ballot in November had he so chosen.

Bernie came to the party to run for POTUS (and is going to go back to an Indy after the dust clears from this election). There is nothing wrong with that, but it was a choice he made, because he knew it gave him a better chance to win instead of being an independent.

[bluedye33139]

1. If he had joined years ago

I sometimes think that if he had joined the party years ago, the outcome would have been very different.

[DURHAM D]

3. BS spent his entire life being an outsider.

He would of lost his only shtick if he had joined in.

[FreakinDJ]

19. That and the Dem Party primaried him

Trying to unseat him

[stopbush]

26. When did that happen? The D Party has supported him in

his Independent Senate races to the extent that no Ds ran against him.

[csziggy]

35. If Sanders had joined the Democratic Party years ago, the party would be different

If he had spent decades inside the party it would probably be more to the left now. But he stayed an outsider until it served his purpose to join the party so he had no chance of winning.

I am glad he's moved the party more to the left now but I wish he'd been influencing the party for much longer.

[yurbud]

56. Party reaction was more about policies than tenure: Bernie slammed Wall Street.

Hillary collected donations from Wall Street.

Since the advent of the DLC, the ethos of the top of the Democratic Party seems to be "First do no harm to corporate donors (who are also our past and future employers)."

[JudyM]

64. Spot on. N/t.

[bluedye33139]

67. I agree that this was the split

Democrats who are opposed to the party's friendliness with business versus Democrats who believed that business can and should the ethical, positive, and contributing to the health and well being of everyone.

[yallerdawg]

2. I knew Hillary was going to win - in 2008.

Sanders took a shot, and came up short.

Hillary won, and it was never in the bag.

The people made the choice.

[yallerdawg]

9. Most voters have no idea what DNC and DWS are.

Somehow, we are corrupted?

[grossproffit]

11. DWS reminds me of Dancing with the Stars and I don't even watch the show.

[notadmblnd]

16. The DNC and DWS are

Are you DWS or a representative of the DNC?

[yallerdawg]

17. I'm a 'most voter'!

You are implying I am corrupt or corrupted.

Because I voted for someone you didn't vote for?

No credibility.

[notadmblnd]

18. I said embrace corruption

You got out of that what you wanted to.

Talk about no credibility.

[KPN]

42. I'm not sure people need to understand acronyms to recognize

corruption in politics or the two parties. Why do you think so many just stay home rather than vote in the first place? Some just don't care and don't think about how elections affect them, while others (and there are many from what I can tell) just think that voting is a waste of time because the system is rigged and votes really don't count in the end because the rigging always prevails. It's all a matter of definition. To some, a forced choice between two parties' candidates is a rigged system in itself.

At any rate, Bernie is a man of his word obviously. He has prioritized things at this point and is being true to those priorities. That's pretty darned admirable in my view. So why get hung up on people believing that the system has room for improvement or that the "establishment" is sometimes counter-productive to popular aspirations?

[grossproffit]

10. Voters are cooler and she won by getting millions more of them to, get this...VOTE for her.

[notadmblnd]

12. OK.

[Little Star]

7. I believe Bernie never thought he would actually win.

I believe he ran for two reasons, one was to give Hillary an opponent and two was so he had a platform for his ideas. Both ideas were noble. I think he was surprised when he actually had a good chance at winning.

[R0ckyRac00n]

4. also...

"he knew it gave him a better chance to win" I think that's true. But I also believe he seriously was trying to avoid "Nader-ing" the country again. I think his choice of running as a D should get a little credit for feeling that way.

[Cosmocat]

20. That is possible

Bernie is absolutely 100 percent in line with having a shared enemy.

[KPN]

44. Exactly!!!!

Bernie has definitely been under-appreciated in that regard. Running as a D provided a national stage that he may not have been able to stand on running as an I, but it also avoided electing an R by default/Nader-effect.

[Beartracks]

54. True. He never sought to split the liberal vote. N/t

[JaneyVee]

5. So were the voters.

[glennward]

8. And well they should be. She has given in too much iIMHO.

Bernie was not a Democrat and said as much. The nasty comments about Hillary made by many Sanders supporters actually have done more to divide the party than any private e-mails disparaging Bernie among a few staffers and DWS. He was acting like an ass at the time. And remember, most of Trump's talking points against the Democrats and Hillary came from the mouths of Bernie and his supporters.

What does it say when BS supporters are more concerned about comments made about Bernie's behavior toward the party he is supposed to represent and the alliance between the Trump folks and Putin?

AND none of the e-mails that discussed ways of helping Bernie were talked about so much. Just the four e-mails where SOME of the DNC staffers were dissing him. All they want to do is hold this over Hillary's head to get more concessions from her. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!

[BobbyDrake]

13. Agreed. It's as if the fundamentals of basic competition are somehow "offensive"

because someone had the gall to use them against Bernie Sanders. It's ironic to me that the voices who most complained about a "coronation" clearly expected one for him.

And it's not as if he or his campaign are blameless when it comes to how the DNC had to react to their repeat shenanigans. This over-dramatic response today just makes me smirk at the hypocrisy.

[KPN]

46. Lol! "Fundamentals of competition" ....

Sore winner. Too much!

[Cosmocat]

21. I don't have a problem with Bernie

I like him a lot, and feel he himself handled himself well.

But, even liking him a lot, I have spent the last year here pulling my hair out over his supporters.

And, I have posted many times the point you made that the primary was MUCH more damaging to Hillary than Trump.

[KPN]

47. Primaries are always damaging to candidates. That's the nature of the beast.

Hillary did a pretty good job damaging Bernie as well.

[KPN]

45. Oh poo!

[Scuba]

14. The DNC violated their own impartiality rule. I hope you're not OK with that.

[glennward]

23. What did they DO, not say, to violate impartiality? People don't give up their thoughts and

emotions to be impartial. Behavior is what counts. What did they do to harm Bernie?

[Scuba]

25. These are actions, not opinions ...

http://usuncut.com/politics/dnc-leaks-9-emails/

[KPN]

48. +1!

[randome]

15. And the RNC is also less supportive of outsiders -like Donald Trump.

If there is a lesson to be learned from this primary, it's that you don't join a party at the last minute and expect everyone to do what you say. Witness Trump's ability to garner only tepid support from the RNC.
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[guillaumeb]

22. The DNC rules DO call for impartiality.

But rules are made to be ignored?

[Cosmocat]

24. The rules of the game

and the game is politics.

Bernie was not naive, he knew what he was getting into when he went this route.

[RBInMaine]

29. Overblown dramatic hyperbole. No big conspiracy. Bernie was given the same resources as Hillary.

[stopbush]

30. Like the code in Pirates of the Caribbean,

they're more like guidelines.

I assume that the rules were bent to allow Sanders to participate in the D Primaries in the first place.

[RBInMaine]

27. Bernie was given all the same resources as Hillary. No big effort to undermine his candidacy.

[Yallow]

36. No He Wasn't

[uponit7771]

71. Can you name the resources he wasn't given or is this ANOTHER baseless claim of impartiality?

[Yallow]

72. The Source Is My Former District Chair Who Was Trying To Get Vote Builder Data

And the DNC jerked him around.

Now I know you are going to continue saying your untrue "equal treatment" crap, but you would not be telling the truth.

I am a progressive.

I can always tell the truth!

[uponit7771]

73. I'm not saying that at all, I've been saying all morning that no one who is claiming bias has shown

... proof of this other than claims and anectdotes and to this second that has been the case.

Nothing showing that the DNC had an effort to sand bag Sanders...

NOTHING

[Yallow]

74. Except The Word Of My Friend Who Had His Requests For Vote Builder Denied By The DNC

Proof?

I will take my friend's word as proof.

I am sure in opposite land it isn't good enough.

[Orsino]

28. A long history of success within the party is not to be dismissed.

A (relative) outsider might come along with a better message, but we're grown-ups and so is our nominee. Nothing says our message can't change for the better, even before November.

[stopbush]

32. Totally ignored by the media is the fact that Trump is so loathed

by the electorate that the Ds have an historic opportunity to present an über-progressive platform that voters will willingly swallow if it means Trump doesn't become POTUS.

While I believe that Sanders' brand of socialism would have been a bridge too far this cycle, the fact that the D platform is the most progressive in years shows that Ds are feeling very confident about our chances this fall. There are no compromises being made to appease conservative ideology. Hell, Tim Kaine spoke openly yesterday of passing a progressive agenda.

[KPN]

50. I hope you are right. Time will tell.

[NWCorona]

31. I think you are missing the big picture. This has ramifications for down ticket candidates as well

Look at how DWS campaigned for Republicans over Dems. There's no impartiality at all. This dump ripped that facade right off.

[Cosmocat]

58. I am not missing anything

I don't run the party.

I am just saying what the reality of the situation was.

[NWCorona]

65. Sounds to me like you are excusing the DNC’s actions.

This will impact progressive Democratics as well

[Cosmocat]

68. you are hearing what you want to hear

nm

[NWCorona]

69. Possible

[liberal N proud]

33. It should have been expected that the party would treat Hillary with more favor...

Bernie was an outsider, came to the party just to run for President. Hillary has been a long time member, contributor to the party.

[elmac]

37. Bernie has always caucused with the Dems

was on the floor fighting the pugs when the dems were too scared to put up a fight. Bernie is no outsider.

[KPN]

51. I agree. But money doesn't.

[liberal N proud]

70. Still, he was NOT a Democrat until he needed the resources

Outsider in the eyes of most Democrats.

[Beacool]

34. I don't want to rehash the primaries, but I'm not surprised that the DNC didn't want Sanders.

Why would they? He had been a burr on their backside for years and had refused to join the party until he decided to run for president. Why would they support him over a Democratic former first lady, senator and SOS?

I don't know why anyone is surprised about these emails. Then again, they are just emails, people throw things around and exchange thoughts in every kind of business. Most of these ideas were never implemented.

[elmac]

40. a burr on their backside?

Good job campaigning for Trump, you should get paid. Sen Sanders has voted and caucused with the Dems since the beginning. He has stood up for the working class his entire life. He is an asset, not a burr.

[question everything]

49. And actively campaigned against Demcorats and wished for a primary challenge

to Obama in 2012.

Let it go.

[KPN]

52. "Wished" for a primary challenger to Obama in 2012? What does that mean? Link?

Not to butt in, but out of curiosity, let what go?

[question everything]

60. Sanders Talks Up Primary Challenge to Obama as ‘a Good Idea for Our Democracy and for the

Democratic Party

From the Nation which was a strong supporter of Sanders these primaries

https://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-talks-primary-challenge-obama-good-idea-our-democracy-and-democratic-part/

[KPN]

63. Thanks. I have no problem and see nothing wrong

with Bernie's views and comments in that story.

[B Calm]

53. Link?

[question everything]

61. Here, from the Nation - a strong Sanders supporter these primaries

https://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-talks-primary-challenge-obama-good-idea-our-democracy-and-democratic-part/

[aikoaiko]

38. Says the Bernie supporter who hates Bernie supporters.

This DNC email thing is not a crime, but it rebukes the HRC supporter line that the DNC has been bending over backwards to be fair.

It is what it is. It's worth talking about.

And I'll still vote for the Democratic Party nominee.

[KPN]

55. ....

[NWCorona]

66. That didn't go unnoticed by me either

[thesquanderer]

39. re: "Bernie came to the party because he knew it gave him a better chance to win...

...instead of being an independent."

He also said right from the start that he would not run as an independent because splitting the Dem vote that way could help elect a Republican.

[Yallow]

43. No

It was safer for the country. If he ran as an independent he would be our next president. He knew he couldn't take the chance of another Bush/Trump/Reagan/Psychopath destroying our country any more.

In my opinion he ran as a Democrat for us.

[Cosmocat]

59. Absolutely

I was clear, there was nothing wrong with him doing it, and I had absolute confidence that Bernie was going to support Hillary all along assuming it worked out like it did.

[Yallow]

41. And Our Government Is Still An Oligarchy

With unlimited political bribery.

Jimmy Carter: "We've become now an oligarchy instead of a democracy. And I think that's been the worst damage to the basic moral and ethical standards of the American political system that I've ever seen in my life," the 90-year-old former president told Winfrey."

I feel GREEEEEEEAT that my party pretty much ignores this OBVIOUS fact.

It is not, and was never about Bernie. It is about us. The folks who the Oligarchs, and the people they own IN BOTH PARTIES ignore.

I don't want to step on any guidelines, but there is a whole lot of people "around" that don't understand a whole lot.

This was typed by a person who watches the area where I grew up BURN TO THE GROUND EVERY SUMMER, and watch "my party" pretend climate change, and unlimited political donations are not life threatening.

What we really need is so far beyond "progressive" it would make your diapers fill.

[KPN]

57. Yes!!! What we need is commitment to taking care of people first.

That has definitely been lacking.

[Cosmocat]

62. Look

what you note is why I voted for him, and would rather he was the nominee.

But, people are people. There was a LOT of energy behind the "movement" but there simply was more stagnation with people who were going to vote the name.

And, while the DNC might have been working for Hillary to a certain extent, end of the day people vote, and the overwhelming majority don't have the first darn clue what the party thinks or wants.

People vote for a LOT of different reasons.

End of the day, the name won out.