Why It Matters Who Hacked the Democratic National Committee

[CajunBlazer]

Maybe I will start believing in conspiracy theories

It is starting to appear that Russian hackers were involved. The release of the data right before the Democratic convention could be seen as an attempt to ensure maximum damage to the Clinton campaign.

Could it be that Putin is trying to put his fingers on the scales of our election in favor of his pal Trump? If so should how should we feel about an attempt to manipulate us?

Here is an interesting Time article:

Why It Matters Who Hacked the Democratic National Committee

[Boxerfan]

1. The way Fox news is acting

Tells me pretty much all I need to know.

[sarae]

3. I can't bring myself to watch Faux News...

how are they reporting this?

[Peacetrain]

2. Something is absolutely fishy here

[glowing]

4. Doesn't matter one bit to me...

[CajunBlazer]

18. Really?!?!?!

It doesn't matter that a foreign country, especially Putin's espionage services, hacked into the servers of an American major political party and release data calculated to affect our elections, timing the release to inflict the maximum amount of damage? It doesn't matter to you that the release was calculated to try to drive people like you away from the Democratic so Putin's favorite Trump can be elected President of the United States?

If you answer each of those two questions with, "No, it doesn't matter to me", then I would hesitate on this board to say what I really think of you.

[RonniePudding]

20. Many in the US are ready to embrace fascism

We've made our culture virulently anti-intellectual and many blame others for their problems.

[uponit7771]

19. wow... ok... noted

[Scuba]

5. It's OK to commit war crimes as long as the one exposing them is accused of rape. Got it.

[OilemFirchen]

6. The DNC committed war crimes?

Oh my.

This is serious.

[Scuba]

7. I'm just echoing the OP's logic.

[OilemFirchen]

8. Yes, of course.

What with "logic" now being so fungible in leftish neo-English.

I literally understand.

[joeybee12]

14. Nope, you're inflaming it...

No logic involved whatsoever.

[randome]

12. Or it's okay to commit sex crimes as long as the one committing them is one's 'hero'.

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[CajunBlazer]

22. Wrong!

First, let's not even pretend we are talking about war crimes here. Surprise, surprise, employees of the DNC favored the Democrat over the Independent, favored the candidate who most registered Democrats also favored, favored who they believed was the more electable candidate over someone they didn't believe had a chance. What did you learn with the emails - except proof of what you already knew?

Now, I am not saying that it was justified for them to put their fingers on the scale in favor of one candidate or the other. That was wrong, no two ways about it and I have posted that Sanders supporters have every right to be pissed. But let's not pretend this falls in the category of a crime, much less a war crime.

In addition, one can decry both the original transgression and the way it was revealed. In this case both should be condemned.

If you disagree, perhaps you should write a letter of thanks to Putin for making you, a Sanders supporter, madder than you already were so you will abandon the Democrat nominee and by doing so help Trump get elected. Then, if you want to make Putin happy, you can do exactly what he wants you to do. (Note: I don't think you are that stupid.)

[Scuba]

23. Not a war crime, that was hyperbole. But it's still defrauding the DNC donors who expected ...

... the DNC would adhere to their own impartiality rule.



Bottom line: The DNC did wrong and that fact is not excused just because the wrong was exposed by nefarious characters.




.

[CajunBlazer]

24. Is it just an accident that you use that hyperbole?

Or did you want to portray the actions of some of the members to the DNC shown in the emails (none of which can be shown to affect the primaries) in the worst possible light?

[Scuba]

25. No accident, it relates to Wikileaks releases showing war crimes. The fact they were obtained ...

... under less than legal circumstances does not excuse the war crimes.








By the way, I consider trying to screw with our election processes a serious matter.

[CajunBlazer]

28. Well, since Russa is sheltering the most famous leaker

If, when the FBI investigates, they find that two Russian intelligence operations not only hacked into the DNC's system, but also leaked the information at the least opportune moment. I think that the American public will come away with their own conclusions. Those conclusions will be amplified when they understand that the decision to leak the data had to come from the highest levels of the Russian government.

Likely conclusions: 1) Wikileaks has become a tool of Russian national interests. 2) That Putin was trying to influence the US Presidential election to benefit Russia's interests. 3) That Sanders supporters became Putin's unwitting tools.

But are Sanders delegates smart enough to know that they are being used.

[Scuba]

31. The source is one problem. The content is a different problem. I can care about both at once.

There's no doubt that Trump will use this as a sledge hammer against Hillary as well as each and every down-ticket Democrat.

That's why I'm so pissed at the DNC. Their bad behavior left us vulnerable to this. Their failure to even secure the damned servers compounded their bad behavior.

If we lose the election over this we're all going to be fucked.

[ContinentalOp]

34. Yeah, I'm sure so many Bernie supporters donated to the DNC

[John Poet]

33. This doesn't really make me madder at Hillary,

since it really came as no big surprise whatsoever. Much of the favoritism going on was rather obvious. Learning a few more actual details does take my opinion of the DNC down a notch or two, but it was pretty low already.

However, now having the actual proof, it does make me even more pissed off at her supporters on DU who continuously denied that it was even possible that the DNC was engaging in dirty tricks in Hillary's favor, and continuously mocked Bernie's supporters as being believers in "conspiracy theories" and "wearing tin-foil hats" etc etc for thinking it was so.

Bernie's supporters were RIGHT, and all the Hillary supporters who denied anything was going on, were WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!

This won't keep me from voting for the ticket against Trump,
only because there is simply no choice at all.

But there's an easily identifiable bunch of folks in the DNC and Hillary's campaign,
who will be directly responsible if Trump ends up winning this election. Thank God we'll know exactly who to blame.

[ContinentalOp]

35. Where were the dirty tricks?

Lifelong Democrats supported the popular lifelong democratic candidate. Big surprise.

But there's no evidence of the "election fraud" and all of the other CT nonsense that Bernie supporters claimed.

[Scuba]

39. + Eighty gazillion

[snot]

45. ^This.^

[randr]

9. I am leary of the sources of the hack without a doubt----yet at the same time

I think it is incredibly opportunistic for the Democrats to do a bit of house cleaning at an important juncture of the campaign.
During and following the National Convention it should be our goal to go acknowledge past mistakes, change what needs to be changed, and move forward with a clean slate.
We need to separate our Candidates from the inner workings of the DNC. I know this is how it is supposed to be but it is not the impression. Our Candidates need to have the trust of all Democrats and we need to find leaders for the DNC that have the interests of all Democrats in every state at heart.

[snot]

10. Either deny the truth of the material published

or thank whoever exposed it.

There is no real power without knowledge.

[Her Sister]

17. Hahaha! You- thank them! That's your job!

snot
10. Either deny the truth of the material published
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or thank whoever exposed it.

There is no real power without knowledge.

[snot]

43. Look at my record, and you'll know that's false.

[uponit7771]

21. The "whoever" here exposed not a damn thing, still no one is proffering proof of any wrong doing jus

... another AstroTurf hate fest of DWS

[NorthCarolina]

11. Were the emails they released fraudulent, doctored, or modified? No, they weren't.

I could care less the reason WHY they were released, or the timing of their release. Instead, lets deal with the corruption obviously endemic to the party.

[ContinentalOp]

36. No the real question is were they actually incriminating in any where?

Where is this supposed corruption?

[snot]

44. The corruption consists in the following:

The Dem Party purports to treat all candidates who met stated requirements even-handedly.
Many people donated to the Dem Party and to indiividual Dem candidates’ campaigns based on the assumption that those rules would more or less apply, as represented.
Instead, everything was in the tank for Hillary from the start; and many rules of law and equity were broken to ensure her success.
We all saw it happen; the leaked emails and voicemails merely confirmed it.
I actually believe that the ends justify the means. BUT: you have to consider ALL the ends – meaning ALL the consequences.
I and I’d guess many other Bernie supporters didn’t start 2016 hating Hillary. She earned it.
Ban me now, if you like. I’ve been a paying member for a long time; but I came looking for truth, not power; because truth is the only power that lasts.

[joeybee12]

13. It's coordinated....just check out RT...

Russia really wants tRump to win...they know he'll weaken and possibly destroy this country.

[Cha]

15. Yes it matters! Thank you for this article, Cajun..

[eastwestdem]

16. Given the timing, it was clearly an anti-Democratic force. All the more reason

to not let this divide us.

[bigbrother05]

26. IMO, their timing sucks for them

Obviously the idea was to damage the Dems and lift the GOP. What we are likely to see is Bernie take the stage and acknowledge the vindication of what he's said about DWS/DNC, then pivot to supporting the Dem ticket because this points to the need to keep Trump and the GOP as far away from the WH as possible and elect every Dem we can.

A progressive platform and strong GOTV can keep us from the abyss.

[CajunBlazer]

29. The problem is that when he does so, the zealots among his delegates....

....will boo him off of the stage.

[timlot]

27. They will probably hack the voting machines. Banana Republic folks. President Trump book it.

[CajunBlazer]

30. Hard to hack voting machines which are not connected to the internet...

... In fact that would be almost impossible.

[timlot]

32. Guess you haven't seen Scandal.

[Wounded Bear]

37. Had a back and forth on this on another board....

He claims to not be a Trump supporter, but of course he was all about the emails! and the content!

Took him about 3 pages before he finally admitted, well, yeah, if Trump is in bed with Putin it would be a bad thing.

[KitSileya]

38. Don't you know that the DNC maybe rigging the primary is worse than Russia rigging the election?

It is far, far, far more awful that the DNC were worried about the Sanders campaign causing real damage to the presumptive nominee (as we can see it did from Trump using Sanders' words against Clinton) than having Russia meddling and causing real damage to the election.

[CajunBlazer]

40. ...

Where is that shake your head, roll your eyes emoji when you nee it.

[KitSileya]

41. Indeed.

I say that the convention is becoming ample proof that DWS and the DNC were not forceful enough in their bias.

[CajunBlazer]

42. As a friend from Mississippi says, I don't think I woulds told that!