DNC biased against Bernie Sanders

[tiredtoo]

Was anyone shocked by this leak?

Not me.

[Duckhunter935]

1. Not me

[JRLeft]

2. Not me either.

[L. Coyote]

3. In your opinion, I assume. You provide nothing more.

[Scuba]

4. Not shocked, but disappointed that they violated their own impartiality rule.

[HereSince1628]

21. Disappointed here. The public sees trustworthiness as a problem this election cycle

and this just expands that shadow over the party. Many will see it as ironic counterpoint to the meme that dems are always better.

I am pretty sure the donkey didn't need another rock to carry on its back as it climbs up the hill to November.

[DanTex]

5. Nonsense. And, no I'm not shocked that the pro-Trump Assange would try to

hurt the Democratic Party. I am a little surprised that some people on DU seem to be happy about it.

[think]

8. Good grief. /nt

[DanTex]

12. I hear you. I thought the Trump supporters left DU.

[think]

18. Good grief. /nt

[kstewart33]

42. Lots of things to say 'good grief' about this morning.

Top of my list: Trump's financial relationship with Putin supporters and possibly Putin himself.

[stonecutter357]

29. +1000

[BlueMTexpat]

72. +1000! eom

[CrowCityDem]

6. Does anyone think Bernie's staff didn't say similar things about Hillary & Debbie in PRIVATE convos?

[agingdem]

20. Not surprised and don't care

This is the nature of primaries..can only image the thrill the very anti-Semitic Assange gets at the thought of a DWS vs Bernie face off.!!

[CrowCityDem]

26. Me neither. This is a giant nothingburger of the highest order.

[R0ckyRac00n]

52. but...

Debbie wasn't part of Hillary's staff, though right? Nor the rest of the DNC. Surely you can see that difference? Moving on to beat Trump, full steam, but we can always recognize where our own party can do a better job along the way.

[CrowCityDem]

53. The point was that every group says things in private they wouldn't in public.

[R0ckyRac00n]

55. ok, but...

I believe that...

1. Everyone who qualifies by the rules to run for the D nomination for Prez should be treated in an unbiased fashion by the DNC until a winner has been determined.

2. After the winner has been picked, she/he should get 100% support from all. But no favoring one candidate over another, PRIVATE conversation or not, from the DNC. If these emails are real, (I don't know, obviously), the DNC should clearly operate differently.

p.s.
Let's beat TRUMP!

[CrowCityDem]

56. With a caveat; these were written while Bernie was routinely attacking the DNC.

I can't blame people too much for saying a few impolite things while they're being called corrupt and being accused of all sorts of things. It's natural to be angry about that.

[R0ckyRac00n]

57. so.. he defended himself from accusations of corruption

-by engaging in the VERY kind of thing that would mark the accusations as being true. Ok. Hey, I'm just disappointed in the 'good guys' and hoping this discovery will lead to this kind of thing not happening in the future (although I'm not naive) Full Disclosure: I was for Bernie, but I'm looking forward to Hilary's inaugural address.

CLINTON/KAINE 2016

[CrowCityDem]

63. No, 'defending' would have implied saying something in public, to combat the public criticism.

[Nye Bevan]

7. Democratic National Committee favored the Democrat.

Shocking.

[B Calm]

16. You saying Bernie is not a democrat?

[CajunBlazer]

22. Technicallly, no

Bernie has said several times that he ran for the Senate as an independent so he will remain an independent until his next election.

I guess he has more integrity than someone like Senator Richard Shelby who at one time ran as a Democrat and declared himself a Republican less than a year later.

[Bluenorthwest]

46. Well the State of Oregon, which votes for Democrats voted for Bernie by a large margin

in a tightly closed primary. So these swipes you take at Bernie are really swipes at millions of Democrats who hold electoral powers needed by our nominee Hillary Clinton. The electoral votes of your State will go to Trump, of course. But somehow in your head Oregonians are not 'real Democrats'. Also Washington, Hawaii, and over a dozen other States, each of which is needed by our nominee. Do you want to elect the nominee or not? It's time to start thinking about that. Insulting the voters who can do for her what your own State can't is a decided choice, but is it a good one? I don't think so.

[NorthCarolina]

69. Can you please inform us of the time limit involved from the time you register as a Dem

to when you are actually considered a Democrat? Based on your post I can clearly see it is not immediate so it would probably be a good idea for folks to know how long they must wait post registration to have a voice. Enlighten those of us who are only just now being made aware of this probationary period.

[kstewart33]

43. Bernie is running for re-election to the Senate as an Independent.

And he spent much of his presidential campaign criticizing the Democratic Party.

So no, I don't think he's a Democrat.

[Plucketeer]

49. Good for him

Good to know there'll be at least ONE honest candidate - playing from a level arena.

[LongtimeAZDem]

59. Agreed (nt)

[B Calm]

70. After the way he was treated, can you blame him!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

9. Nope. nt

[joeybee12]

10. Fox Noise is hiring...nt

[upaloopa]

11. It is not accurate. The story was posted over and over yesterday with

no real evidence just inuendo like during the primary. Some people still want to devide us maybe the JPR folks.

[Tal Vez]

13. Anyone who tried to tip the scales in favor of one side or the other

should either resign or be removed. They should resign now, without fanfare. Just resign.

[CajunBlazer]

24. As a Hillary supporter I can't disagree

The word toxic comes to mind

[glennward]

61. Just tell me how they tipped the scales. What did they do? Not what they said. What was done? nt

[Tal Vez]

67. My advice would not apply to anyone who did not breach their obligation of neutrality.

But if there are people out there who know that they acted to favor one side or the other, they should resign now. They should not be sitting at a DNC desk when the SHTF in their case. Any news story should refer to a "prior DNC employee" who did something wrong. Anyone who could not be neutral in their conduct are doing a disservice to the party by continuing to be in the building. Go home now!

[Trenzalore]

14. It is amazing

The person who spent 30+years party building actually had supporters within the DNC as opposed to the guy who joined the party 1 month before announcing his run for the Presidency.

[BlueMTexpat]

73. +1! eom

[Brickbat]

15. A party favoring a longtime member who has helped work to build it over a newcomer?

You don't say.

[bluedye33139]

17. +1

[HereSince1628]

41. But it is not a question of human nature. It's a question of following their own rules.

All criminal acts fall within the range of human nature, yet human nature is not a defense for committing the crime. Your argument is a red herring.

Full Definition of red herring

1
: a herring cured by salting and slow smoking to a dark brown color

2
[from the practice of drawing a red herring across a trail to confuse hunting dogs] : something that distracts attention from the real issue

[72DejaVu]

19. Why would they be negative towards Bernie?

Didn't they know he was just joshing them all those times he called them corrupt criminal warmongers?

[JRLeft]

23. Taking money from Wall Street and killing thousands of thousands of innocent people.

Hmmmm.

[CajunBlazer]

25. I think you are on the wrong website

[JRLeft]

30. Know I'm on the right site, but I won't pretend like there isn't any problems

on the democratic side. Obviously you will. Maybe you didn't see this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/20/us-airstrike-allegedly-kills-56-civilians-in-northern-syria

Let's not forget 90% of the people killed in drone strikes have been innocent people.

[emulatorloo]

27. Primary's over. Drop the hyperbolic bullshit.

[JRLeft]

32. Agreed, but I won't pretend like our party has no issues because it does.

It's not hyperbole when it's true. It's time to get out of the middle east.

[emulatorloo]

35. The party has issues. Parroting the bullshit talking points of simple minded ideologues

will get you nowhere in our efforts to reform the party.

[JRLeft]

45. It's not a talking point when it's factually correct. I get what you're saying though.

[emulatorloo]

68. It is not "factually correct" in the way you presented it.

It is dumbass black and white binary bumpersticker thinking employed by Hillary-Haters to demonize her as 'Killary' and 'Whore' in order to pretend there was a massive gap between Bernie and HRC positions when there aren't. And if you watched Bernie's endorsement of HRC, you know that Bernie thinks the same about HRC policy positions.

Please don't misunderstand me, not accusing you of anything, I read and enjoy your posts and know you're a solid guy.

[JRLeft]

71. I wasn't referring to Hillary.

[72DejaVu]

28. Staffers at the DNC did that?

What about the interns, were they in on it too?

[JaneyVee]

37. This is the type of "progressive" hyperbole that...

Makes a parody out of progressivism. The world is a complex place filled with nuance, and "progressives" make black and white bumper sticker statements.

Here's some nuance: Bernie voted for more wars and war funding than any candidate running.

[think]

31. Got a link for that?

[stonecutter357]

33. Bernie Sanders: "I'm not a Democrat"

[bigwillq]

34. Congrats on 800 posts!

[tiredtoo]

40. Thanks EOM

[CajunBlazer]

36. Why It Matters Who Hacked the Democratic National Committee

Maybe I will start believing in conspiracy theories

It is starting to appear that Russian hackers were involved. The release of the data right before the Democratic convention could be seen as an attempt to ensure maximum damage to the Clinton campaign.

Could it be that Putin is trying to put his fingers on the scales of our election in favor of his pal Trump?

Here is an interesting Time article:

Why It Matters Who Hacked the Democratic National Committee

[emulatorloo]

38. You should post that article as an OP

Thanks for the link.

[JaneyVee]

39. The DNC bent over backwards for Bernie Sanders...

They let a non-Democrat run in their primaries while giving him access to decades of tools, resources, and voter rolls. Then he sues them. And what, DNC isnt supposed to talk about it? Please.

[Plucketeer]

51. DNC bent over backwards for Bernie Sanders

Indeed they did! They bent over backwards to make sure he never had a chance from the start. The DNC is as "on the level" as a carnival midway shooting gallery. They provide the hardware and the prizes but conveniently forget to tell you that none of it is as it appearsl. And after you've dropped a few bucks and give up, you're expected to console yourself with the realization it was only a game - get over it. Just stroll on down the midway - buoyed by the festive lights and merry-go-round music. An' while you're here, why not drop a couple more bucks as the barker lures you to see the two-faced lady?

[JaneyVee]

65. Bernie Sanders lost fair and square. Its over.

[LongtimeAZDem]

62. +1 (nt)

[tiredtoo]

44. Wow

This got a different response than expected.
It appears many here are still fighting the primary.
As a Bernie supporter from day one i had predicted this. I had stated many times that ALL forces would be against Bernie.
Currently I am a staunch Hillary supporter and am doing what I can to get her elected.
The intention of my original post was to say.
"Who Cares?"
I have seen political shenanigans at all levels, from local parties to state parties to national parties.
The release of the emails was most likely intended to divide us. Let us join together and accept the facts and move forward to insure Hillary is elected!

PS to Bigwillq 802 now.

[doc03]

47. But he lost fair and square anyway, the fucking primary is over. Give it

a break and fight Trump.

[tiredtoo]

48. Yes, yes, yes. EOM

[Cosmocat]

50. Of course they did

Look, I voted Bernie and I would rather he was the nominee.

But, I always knew Hillary was going to win, and this was part of it.

Bernie is awesome, but Bernie spent his whole career as an Independent/Socialist.

While he was mostly inline with the democratic party and caucused with the democratic party, he was not a member or active in democratic politics.

Meanwhile, Hillary has been active at a VERY high level for a quarter century. She campaigned for and supported hundreds of democrats actively.

So, was the party going to support her?

Yeah.

He had every opportunity to run as an Indy, and not risk being bumped by a stronger establishment choice, he would be on the ballot in November had he so chosen.

Bernie came to the party to run for POTUS. There is nothing wrong with that, but it was a choice he made, because he knew it gave him a better chance to win instead of being an independent.

[marybourg]

54. A fair and articulate

summation!

[LongtimeAZDem]

60. Exactly, and he never stopped identifying as an Independant apart from the campaign (nt)

[Ford_Prefect]

58. The Primary is over and it cannot be undone. BUT it was clearly rigged from the outset.

The degree of manipulation is what I found disturbing and disillusioning. I saw it on the ground and need no emails to see who was doing it, or why. The last time I saw this degree of system wide distortion Dick Daley ran Chicago. It is one thing to prefer a candidate over others, it is another to silence any and all opposition to that candidate within the party and then pretend the vote was honest.

Something that is too often obscured here at DU is that ALL of the people who voted in the primaries and the caucuses did so as Democrats. Their votes and their input are supposed to matter to the whole party. Among other things it says so in the party rules. Nearly 1/2 of them voted not for the candidate preferred by the leadership.

That should tell those leaders something important about what the party members want and what the voting public wants and needs.

Those of you who cannot examine the party for its faults are dooming all of us to a less democratic party than we really do need. If we as party members cannot trust party leaders to adhere to the rules why in the world should we trust those leaders in office or anywhere else? If they assume to know what is best for the party in defiance of all reasonable comment from the membership just whose party does that make it? What kind of Government can we expect from them?

The primary season was designed to be a dialog within the party over what we stand for and who we want to stand for us. That system was largely compromised by arrant favoritism among party elites who seem so desperately afraid of losing that they had to eliminate any public perception of division. So they bent most of the party rules to generate the outcome they wanted. This is not just infra-party politics as usual. It borders on the kind of disturbed behavior one sees in a very dysfunctional family trying to hide its flaws from public view.

I thought we were better than that. I thought we were still the party that actually listens to the members in the process of selecting leaders. I don't mean that we always agree nor that our disagreement would not be strongly argued. I mean that we get to the point of the issues that we claim to represent. But that appears to be beyond the grasp or comfort level of some of the leadership, and I suppose that would have to be true about some of the members too.

It is possible to heal the division, but not likely as long as we do not acknowledge the flaws and bad actors and their actions.

[DirkGently]

64. Obvious truth is obvious. n/t

[Orsino]

66. Given that Sanders' candidacy was all about addressing concerns the Establishment downplays...

...this sort of bias again him was inevitable--even proper, given the existence of superdelegates and the immense and preexisting popularity of one candidate. I just thought they'd manage to keep it a sort of secret for much longer.

It's okay. If there were a level playing field, Sanders wouldn't have needed to run. That he's still a player at all is both a tribute to his success and to the Party's openness to change. The more popular candidate won the primary, and "more popular" is a working synonym for "better."

We'll (officially) choose our weapons in Philly, but that doesn't have to change what we're fighting for. Not a bit. Lobby our nominee and next president for whatever change you think we need.