Lets face it, most of the hate for Hillary is because she is a strong, intelligent woman........

[Logical]

who has been more successful than they have.

Same reason they hated Obama, a strong, intelligent black man who was more successful than they were.

I have no respect for any of them.

[greymattermom]

1. My right wing relatives

just say she is a liar who got away with treason. They only listen to Fox.

[Logical]

2. So funny that they decided not to charge Rick Perry and we didn't act like idiots. nt

[niyad]

40. or tom cottonmouth

[calimary]

50. who actually IS a traitor.

He's the pipsqueak who circulated that letter that the Senate CONS all sugned - to the Iranians, telling them not to negotiate with John Kerry & Co. on the nuclear deal

Fucker!

The NY Daily News cover on March 10th had his photo right there with mitch mcconnell, rand paul, and ted cruz - and the word TRAITORS in big bold black letters.

[niyad]

51. and they count on us having very short memories, like the cretins who are their base.

[kestrel91316]

78. Bingo!

[riversedge]

20. Lazy folks let others do their

[Chicago1980]

53. Treason:

"the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government."

I don't think the word means what your relatives thinks it means.

[CrowCityDem]

3. Trump embodies it: women should be pretty and read whatever they're told.

[mahina]

4. Word

[Freddie]

5. Just like Obama's presidency brought racists out of the woodwork

Just wait for the onslaught of misogyny when HRC takes office. It's going to be stomach-curdling.
The difference here is that slightly more than half the population is female.

[lame54]

7. and the racism will still be there...

instead of one replacing the other we'll have to deal with both

[rurallib]

32. they will reinforce each other

as the haters work themselves into a dither whipped on by the corporate media

[LuckyLib]

21. Yes, indeed. We've had 8 years of unmitigated hate and we'll have another eight with HRC in office.

Stomach-curdling is right -- we have no idea where the reich wing is going to take this.

[uponit7771]

66. +1

[lame54]

6. they also HATE Nancy Pelosi...

but can't explain why

[Freddie]

8. Exact same reason

But they just can't say it out loud. Most of them.

[Wellstone ruled]

62. Ruppert Murdoch and Roger Ailes are the

enablers of this garbage. All they did was crank up Frank Luntz and his focus groups. And the rest is what we see today. It is all about the power of the Optic and sound bite.

[highprincipleswork]

9. That's an absolute crock.

[Logical]

10. LOL, very informative. Hmmmm......what is your reason. nt

[highprincipleswork]

11. Where is any of your evidence that it is so?

[dsc]

12. to take one example

John Edwards cast the exact, precise, same vote she did on the Iraq war. Sarandon who refused to back Hillary due to this vote supported Edwards in both 2004 and 2008.

[Logical]

13. LOL, simple reading. But Believe what you want. And now I know much more about you. nt

[highprincipleswork]

22. Really? How much could you know from these small statements, other than that I know a projection

when I see one, versus something that resembles truth?

[nolawarlock]

86. I love when folks think they're opaque when they aren't.

It's like, yes, I can see that giant elephant snickering behind that narrow tree.

[highprincipleswork]

116. Conservadems gone wild.

[63splitwindow]

37. During Bill's administration I had the unfortunate experience...

of working in an office with someone who listened to Rush daily. AT THAT TIME he hated Hillary and wanted her prosecuted over whatever Rush was ranting about at that time. What do you think causes that sort of hatred for her then and now?

[niyad]

42. it is the standard "la la la la, I can't HEAR you" refusal to acknowledge the sexism that

is so rampant in this country.

[Logical]

48. So true! nt

[pnwmom]

15. It's the truth. Anyone paying attention for the last 30 years, or even for the last 3 days,

can see that.

Unless all you watch is the Putin station.

[niyad]

43. the denial of the rampant sexism in this country (and on this board) is beyond disgusting.

[uponit7771]

65. Racism isn't prevalent either hunh?

[fun n serious]

14. I agree.

I have seen that from the beginng.

[JaneyVee]

16. For many of them, yes.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

18. No. Most of it is from decades of Right-Wing Hate Radio....

There are first time voters who are going to march in and SLAM down that anti-Clinton vote to make their daddy proud.

Then they'll go for ice cream.

[Lucky Luciano]

19. If Bernie didn't enter the race, there would have been much less Hillary hate here.

With Bernie, there was a chance to vote for a guy who has been on the right side all along, except maybe gun control I guess. If it was the usual set of politicians running, then people would have backed HRC here a lot more.

Sarah Silverman said this in a video I saw - she was in for Hillary...until Bernie came along.

[840high]

52. .+1

[Moonwalk]

23. Actually, I think that it's only part true. Michelle Obama is a...

...strong, intelligent woman and there are a lot of voters who hate Hillary but who love Michelle. Yet Hillary has been hated since she was FLOTUS. Part of that is, yes, her getting involved with the politics and not playing pretty wife. And that also leads to issues that Michelle doesn't have to face, like who and what she' supported, the same as all politicians face (mistakes, errors in judgement), but YES, made harsher because women, like people of color, are held to higher standards; white males are all too often given a pass.

So, yes, not argument, the gender comes into play here. BUT...But part of it is also that she isn't the warm, charming type--at least, not when she makes speeches or appears on television. She, herself, has admitted to this.

And, unfortunately, the President is expected to be more than strong, intelligent, capable and all the rest that make her uber-qualified for the job. The president is also expected to be charming and warm and someone you'd want to have over for barbecue. It doesn't matter if the best barbecue buddy in the world might make the worst president and vice versa. Americans still want their president to be someone they would eagerly "friend" on Facebook.

So. YES, part of the Hillary hate, a good part, is misogyny and we'd get that even if she was the most charming and warmest woman in the world. But part of it is simply that issue that Kerry and a lot of other qualified nominees have had: they don't strike voters as someone they'd want to invite to a barbecue.

[63splitwindow]

38. The RW scumnuys call Michelle "Mooch" and an ape. They hate her as much. nt

[Moonwalk]

90. I didn't say that the RW's liked Michelle...I said that there are those who love Michelle...

...who don't like Hillary. If ALL there is to the dislike of Hillary is her gender, than there'd be none who liked Michelle and hated Hillary. I wasn't talking about the RWs in that case, because my opinion is they'll hate the democratic nominee no matter what. That she's an intelligent woman is just more to hate, not the only thing to hate.

[Squinch]

105. This is very simplistic. It makes perfect sense that sexist people who like Michelle will not

like Hillary. Hillary is going for a bigger job. Makes the sad men and the women who love them feel sadder.

There was a post right here on DU that said that Hillary was fine until she "overreached" herself, that she should have stayed in the Senate and not looked higher.

[Moonwalk]

111. She got great ratings as Secretary of State. So, clearly, she can overreach...

...and be liked. I really think, in regards to RW's, that it's less about gender than intelligence. They hate any politician who strikes them as "smart." They want a politician who strikes them as an "Everyman." That person they can invite to the barbecue. Consider that they had no problem at all with Palin, and some even wanted her to be president instead. She was wife, mother (of a big family) beauty queen, a Christian, a non-reader, a gun lover, an all-American pioneering woman who didn't get no higher education.

THAT sort of woman as president is perfectly fine for most republican voters. But a woman who got her degree, who has traveled the world engaging in deplomacy, who believes in science over the bible? No. THAT is a woman who is "over-reaching" herself. Ditto with minorities. Ben Carson, for all that he is a brain surgeon, was well liked among Republicans. Why? Because he believed in bible over science. He struck them as "average" not "smart."

A lot of voters, especially independents and republicans, don't like anyone who seems too smart.

[SheilaT]

24. Actually, no.

It's quite easy to dislike Hillary for lots of reasons that have to do with specific things she's done and stands she's taken over the years. And that has nothing to do with her being a woman, but everything to do with whether or not a person agrees with those things.

To assume that all anti-Hillary sentiment is purely "because she is a strong, intelligent woman" is to profoundly misunderstand things. It insults someone who has valid criticism of her. It's right up there with classifying all criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism.

There's a real danger in over-simplifying things.

For one thing, if you assume what you've said, you will find no common ground to persuade someone who's not fond of Hillary Clinton that perhaps they might change their mind.

[merrifield]

28. Yes

Well said, Sheila. Elizabeth Warren is also strong and intelligent and she doesn't elicit the strong feelings that Hillary does. I plan to vote for Hillary but I really don't care for her at all and it has nothing to do with right wing attacks (which are, yes, disgusting) or the fact that she is strong and intelligent. Like Sheila has said, it has to do with positions she's taken, people she surrounds herself with and things she's done.

[SheilaT]

30. All during the primary season,

the charge of being some sort of traitor to my gender because I didn't automatically support Hillary was extremely offensive. It was the worst kind of identity politics there could be, and it was highly disheartening to see it happening within the Democratic Party.

A candidate needs to win my vote, to persuade me that he or she is the best choice. It was more than possible to conclude that Hillary was not the best choice, completely apart from her gender. She is going to be the nominee. To continue to assume that all who oppose her, are simply misogynists, is to see the world in black and white terms, not allowing for any shades of gray, any nuance, that in the long run makes if very difficult to navigate the very complex world we live in.

Granted, at this point the vast majority of those who oppose her are Republicans and they are going to be more likely to oppose her simply because she's a woman, but still.

It does make you wonder how they will deal with having a viable woman candidate of their own, although that may not happen for a hundred years.

[Moonwalk]

91. And all during the primary season, Hillary supporters were charged with voting with...

...their vaginas and not their brains. What's your point? That Hillary supporters tried to shame you as badly as Bernie supporters tried to shame them?

[Logical]

35. Bullshit, put Warren in the same spot and they would hate her also. And how can you say years of....

BS attacks do not matter?

[leftofcool]

45. Yes, they (the GOP) do very much hate Liz Warren

[840high]

54. In '08 I was for her. Now there

are many questions in my mind.

[uponit7771]

67. Key word "most"... not all but you know that... more obfuscations prove the OP

[rainy]

25. Spitfire got it right!

The right has tried to destroy EVERY prominent democrat and has succeeded in the eyes of many Americans. Carter, Bill, Hillary, Obama, Nancy the list goes on forever. The media always lets them set the narrative since it benefits all the monied doners.

[larkrake]

26. I disagree

[Logical]

39. And yet provide no information why. Interesting. nt

[larkrake]

99. strength and intelligence

There are reasons favorability is low and it has nothing to do with scandals and myths. This whole election is a ship with no-one at the wheel . It is computerized, designed to silence the voters and hand the controls to corporations. Neither candidate is looking at the big picture.

[DesertRat]

27. You nailed it!

[Bleacher Creature]

29. Completely agree. Have you seen what's for sale outside the convention?

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/07/19/3799867/rnc-war-on-women-hillary-clinton/

[SheilaT]

31. My life would have been better without ever having seen those.

[kcr]

75. Do you still think it isn't sexism that drives it?

I don't see how anyone can watch, or hear about if they aren't watching, what is going on at the RNC, for example, and then deny the sexism.

[Lucky Luciano]

33. They are so vile. nt

[Doctor Who]

46. What's for sale outside the convention? Really?

Your going to judge you fellow Americans by what some hucksters sell outside a political convention? You do know these same hucksters will be outside the DNC convention in Philly, right? Selling anti trump / Hitler buttons. It's their business, they give zero fu*ks about politics.

[kcr]

76. What about the actual people outside the convention who are buying them?

You're not going to claim that no one is buying them, are you? Really? We can see on the TV that plenty of them are, and wearing them. Never mind the chanting going on, goaded by the vile things coming out of the speakers.

[AgadorSparticus]

122. They wouldn't sell that crap if people weren't buying it. That's the whole point.

[The Green Manalishi]

34. I can't rec this enough.

Do I strongly disagree with Secretary Clinton as far as some of her past actions and present policies?
HELL yes.
Am I going to vote for her?
HELL yes.
Does the fact she's a woman have anything to do with the above?
HELL no.

I admit to discomfort at people who would vote for her just BECAUSE she's a woman (two words: Maggie Thatcher), but not as much as I feel towards people who would vote AGAINST her because she's a woman. The first is IMHO misguided, the second is evil. Not that anyone has a reason to give a crap about what this white male thinks


The frightening thing is the sexism that is coming to the fore much as the racism has come since we elected President Obama; the last gasp of the genuine haters, and it ain't pretty.

[Warren DeMontague]

36. I think you are correct, certainly for a large sector of the right.

To boot, both she and her husband have always represented something to them, rightly or wrongly.

[Skittles]

41. ABSOLUTELY CORRECT

[niyad]

44. k and r + several gazillion.

[Cosmocat]

47. No it isnt

Same thing about bho, people want to think its because hes black.

Condi Rice is black, they love her because she is conservative.

Herman cain is black, but he says bad things about liberals, so he gets to speak at their covention.

Condi rice is a strong intelligent woman, they love her because she is conservative.

Yes, they are a cozy home for bigots, misogynists, race baiting ... but the defining element that puts someone on their shit list is the D.

[840high]

55. You might be right.

[progressoid]

59. This ∆

[uponit7771]

68. Most of the hate is because he's black... keywords most and hate... not criticism or earned critique

... but you know that this is more obfuscation via strawman or red herring that proves the OP in another context

[uponit7771]

69. Bullshit, they don't "like" either one of the black people you named they TOLERATE them. Talk to a

... black person who's lived the black experience in America and they can tell you how these overtly racist fuck faces act.

[SCVDem]

49. So many years of attacks and smears

Like I told my very RW friend, there is/was no evidence to convict the Clintons much less get them out of the WH. This applies to the emails and Libya. They had nothing despite spending tens of millions of OUR dollars.

Look what happened to the Speakers of the House who had to resign for their own sex scandals. et tu Newt, Livingston. She isn't tough?

It's hard not to be influenced by the constant negativity against Hillary and she sure doesn't come across as cuddly and likable.

I don't want a President who is cuddly and likable. I want smart and level headed who will surround herself with the most qualified staff and cabinet. Our job is to give her a congress which won't Obama her. Yep, Obama is a verb and is of course, another word for blatant obstruction based on a derangement syndrome of their own making.

I'm with Hillary!

[Canoe52]

56. I want to disagree,

It's because she's a Democrat, they don't care about, color, sex (as long as you don't do it for fun), gay, straight, they hate us all, Barack, Bill Clinton, Carter, you, me...

From Wikipedia-

"Democrat Party" is a political epithet used in the United States for the Democratic Party. The term has been used in negative or hostile fashion by conservative commentators and members of the Republican Party in party platforms, partisan speeches and press releases since at least 1940.

[Logical]

57. "they don't care about, color"? Really, they are no more racist than Dems????

[uponit7771]

70. They don't care about what?! tRump is openly a white supremacist and you're claiming they don't care

... about color?

REALLY?!

[Canoe52]

110. wow, didn't mean to raise your blood pressure,

See post 80, he says it much more eloquently than I did.

[uponit7771]

115. I don't remember this level of pure hatred towards Clinton, he was able to get SOME things done...

... throughout his term with a republican congress.

Obama can say air is good and conservatives will stop breathing

[brewens]

58. Obama wasn't a strong woman. It's really that they hate anyone that's not a

RW nutjob!

[bettyellen]

63. They hate black people to a large extent as well. How'd you miss the birth ceroficate bullshit?

[brewens]

74. I didn't miss the birthbagger bullshit. They don't hate Ben Carson, Allen West or

"Uncle Thomas" do they?

[bettyellen]

93. You're denying both their sexism and racism?

Let me guess, no skin off your nose- right?

[Logical]

98. Lol, so republicans are not racist! Wow! Nt

[brewens]

100. They are just willing to let the racism go if it's a RW nutjob. They probably would still

prefer they not be allowed in their country clubs.

[tiredtoo]

60. Here is something i use with my right wing relatives

Hillary has been examined and harassed by Republicans for 25/30 years now.
She has never been charged with a crime.
Leads me to believe one of two things. 1. She is not guilty of any of these false charges or...
2. She is smarter than all the Republicans trying to convict her.
You make the call.

Only response i got was "She bought them all off"
to which i replied "Even the Republicans?"

end of discussion.

[Logical]

61. That is great! I will use it! nt

[bettyellen]

64. Thats pretty good !

[lindysalsagal]

71. The RNC will hate any dem, but Hillary inspires a clannish

Group hatred of strong women who refuse to knuckle under to men, just like blacks who stand up for what's right.

There is an extra level of 'uppityness" in any woman who bests them.

[stopwastingmymoney]

85. Yes this, and...

I remember the campaign of 1992 very clearly. I was pretty young but it was clear to me at the time that they hated her because she was a strong woman who stood at the side of her husband, not behind, not subservient.

I thought it was a visceral reaction against a threat to their power.

I haven't really ever been a Hillary supporter (until now) but I always thought she was treated unfairly.

[lindysalsagal]

112. Exactly where I am on her.

We'Re on the same page.

[aikoaiko]

72. It doesn't seem to me to be worse for HRC than it was for Bill by the end of his presidency.

For better or worse, she is tied to that administration.

I don't disagree that there are some whose hate for Hillary is based in misogyny.

[uponit7771]

73. Please people, look at the denial responses of bigotry in this thread. MLK was right

[bettyellen]

94. Exactly! Trotting out their token women and POC as "proof" the GOP hasn't been bigoted.

For shame guys.

[applegrove]

77. The power at the top hate Hillary because she will build a fair country

where the rich pay reasonable taxes. She is a champion of the middle class. They want to cleave the middle class and make part of it richer, the other 3/4 poor and too powerless to win any elections.

[MFM008]

79. There IS a woman factor

even my strongly democratic son said he would have trouble voting for a two woman ticket if HRC picked Warren, if this comes from a supporter imagine the fuming hatred from others.

[progressoid]

80. So why do they hate Bill Clinton so much?

I had the distinct displeasure of working for a rabid Rush Limbaugh fan during the Clinton years. He's blind hatred for Bill Clinton mirrors the hatred I've seen against President Obama and Hillary today. It seems a bit simplistic to reduce their hatred to gender or race. This is the culmination of decades of lies and vitriol against all Democrats.

Certainly they are sexist and racist and homophobic etc. They are also vehemently anti-science and against regulations. Neither of which is gender or race specific. Today's GOP is just chock-full-o-hate.

[Seeinghope]

96. It's simple, because they are Republicans. Their Party is based on a lot of hate.

If you harbour feelings of not succeeding because of reverse discrimination, poor people getting help from the government, immigrants stealing jobs and getting government aide, being basically selfish and resentful. Then there are the "God fearing people who are told what is right and wrong while they become clannish and in their empowered group pass judgement on others who they are told, do wrong according to their Pastor. Then there are the cliques who feel entitled to be superior to everything and everybody else. All that don't fit in their world are either to be pitied, bring disgust or they fear them. They basically all are Hippocrates. The Republican Party believes in putting people on boats attached to their luxury liner, working to keep their ship what it is and to barely keep theirs afloat with the crumbs that they have to survive on. Everybody is out for themselves literally to serve and survive.y..except for the "chosen ones".

Bill Clinon.. A no nothing, on one of those boats outsmarted them and their leader.

[riderinthestorm]

81. Nope. My problem with her is her climate change proposals doom us

I don’t give one fuck about her sex. That's bullshit simplistic thinking. I grieve for our future because climate change is upon us. There's literally no more time.

I've respectfully articulated my other myriad issues with her proposals on college affordability, her childcare tax credits, her positions on a Syrian no-fly zone etc but sadly they've all been removed.

I've been a loyal Dem for 30+ decades and now I'm the enemy. I've been very clear that I admire, respect and have supported Obama. My post history demonstrates that. I would never vote for Trump - that way leads to fascism.



So keep hating the unhappy Dems amongst you. That's not helping her win.

[L. Coyote]

82. Intelligent enough to understand the vast, right-wing conspiracy. That's a danger to them.

Politics, like life itself, is complex and complicated, not so simple. As you suggest, "most of the hate" may be simplistic, but that's because most of it comes from simple, brainwashed minds. Those doing the brainwashing have their own complex reasons, more along the lines of how she is a real threat to their agenda.

[kwolf68]

83. So why did they hate Kerry so much?

While I think lots of Reps are misogynistic and racist, the fact is they would LOVE Hillary if she was a strong, intelligent women who was a Conservative.

Their ideology is their religion.

[Squinch]

108. They didn't. Nothing like this. Did you hear anyone screaming for him to be locked up for nothing?

Me neither.

[karynnj]

118. You did not look at what the right wing said of Kerry in 2004 ... or even now.

They have called for him to be shot or hung as a traitor - this goes back to 1971, but they have added things like his exposure of the illegal efforts on behalf of the Contras and things like the Iran deal and even the Paris climate accord. In fact, from Vietnam, to opposing the Contras (unlike the Clintons), and his dedication to both the Iran deal (which HRC likely would not have spent the political capital or effort on had she been President) and climate change, Kerry EARNED the hatred of the right for actually succeeding in exposing bad things they did or succeeding on things they are against. Clinton EARNED the hatred of the right because Bill Clinton won the Presidency, she has spoken out strongly in favor of women and children and because of her successes.

In 2004, there were calls to impeach him immediately should he win.

The ONLY thing I agree with you on here is that the attacks on HRC , while mostly from the fringes like those on Kerry, there are more elected or party officials making the charges now. Part of that is their atypical (a polite word ) nominee, who is making many intemperate comments -- and would have against any nominee.

As to the seriousness either charges have, you might note that fewer Senators voted against HRC as SoS than against Kerry -- but only 3 voted against him. Obviously, that ignores anything they did in office.

[UCmeNdc]

84. The GOP males think they can make her "cave in"

Pressure her.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

87. Uhh... No

Put any other name in that sentence and see if it flies,

[Logical]

97. Uh yes!

[kurt_cagle]

88. HRC

Most of those who hate Hillary Clinton on the left are the ones that believe she is a DINO - foreign policy hawk, too close to the banks, likely to bend the rules, too moneyed, not progressive enough. The fact that she is a women makes some difference (especially among men) and I think progressives tend to delude themselves that sexism is only a problem on the right, but it's there. She is not a natural campaigner - she's far more introverted than her husband, and while she has become much better at public speaking over the last fifty years, she's a ways from being the smooth orator that Obama is.

Most of those who hate Hillary Clinton on the right hate her because she is Hillary Clinton. She is a woman seeking to be the first President, and their fragile egos just can't handle it. She was the wife of one of the most successful Democrats in the last forty years, and she never knew her place. She is the embodiment of everything they hate about the Democratic party, because in their minds, the Democrats do not have the right to rule at all.

Right now, the establishment GOP is running scared of their own candidate, because they are discovering that the Tea Party has escaped its bounds and no longer needs them. The Tea Party have a candidate they love - a crude, ignorant Ayn Rand success story businessman with a unhealthy dose of authoritarianism mixed in, and THEY hate Hillary Clinton with a fiery passion. The GOP no longer exists. Donald Trump has closed the door to all but the most pliant of women, all but the most self-hating of gays, all but the most servile of minorities. No rational person will take them seriously for a generation, at which point the party will have aged out of existence and become essentially an empty brand.

And Hillary Clinton will still be standing.

[lovemydog]

89. Agree and I'd add: who is liberal.

If the 2008 RNC was Fear of a Black Planet, 2016 is Fear of a Female Planet.

[andym]

92. I'm not sure about that-- Bill Clinton is "hated" by many on the Right and some on the Left

On the Right, because he was a popular successful President who triangulated conservative positions. On the Left, mostly for the same reasons-- his economic conservatism-- although he did raise taxes to the utter horror of the Right, and the economy did well. Bill Clinton was also tagged with the liar tag as President and Hillary Clinton has basically been tarred with the same brush-- guilty by association.

[mcar]

101. K&R

[bullimiami]

102. Powerful "DEMOCRAT". Simple as that. Raw political hatred.

[NorthCarolina]

103. No, it's policy based. Nothing more, nothing less. Oh, and it's not "hate",

it's differences of opinion. Folks can have those you know....differences of opinion that is.

[Logical]

106. Lol, really,so in your opinion the GOP is not racist or sexist! Noted and that for....

Providing me more info about your stance.

[Squinch]

107. LOL! "It's not hate." I guess those chants of "lock her up" were just reasoned debate.

Something has blinded you.

What could it be?

[niyad]

104. and the denial of the sexism and misogyny go on and on. . . .

[whistler162]

109. Strong yes... Intelligent mostly

Hey she did a really stupid thing with the home email server.

The Hillary hate is because she is a Clinton.

[zappaman]

113. the media has consistently and relentlessly demonized her for decades

Truth.

[Hiraeth]

117. most. good word.

[ismnotwasm]

121. And what, pray tell, is..That.. supposed to be?

[Scurrilous]

123. K & R