2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWe Are Officially in Pre-Nazi Germany After Trump Advisor Advocates Shooting Hillary Clinton
http://thedailybanter.com/2016/07/we-are-officially-in-pre-nazi-germany/It is official: America is now pre-Nazi Germany. This is not hyperbole or a manifestation of Godwin's law -- there is a bonafide fascist movement in America led by a megalomaniac and advised by people who are openly advocating shooting the Democratic nominee for president, Hillary Clinton.
An adviser to Donald Trump on veterans issues and New Hampshire state representative Al Baldasaro stated today that Hillary Clinton should be put in a firing line and "shot for treason". Baldasaro, who is also a Trump delegate, made the comments on the Jeff Kuhner Show. He said:
Im a veteran that went to Desert Shield, Desert Storm. Im also a father who sent a son to war, to Iraq, as a Marine Corps helicopter avionics technician. Hillary Clinton to me is the Jane Fonda of the Vietnam. She is a disgrace for the lies that she told those mothers about their children that got killed over there in Benghazi. She dropped the ball on over 400 emails requesting back up security. Somethings wrong there.
This whole thing disgusts me, Hillary Clinton should be put in the firing line and shot for treason.
Put aside the fact that Clinton was exonerated from any wrongdoing in Benghazi by a Republican led investigation, and at least 13 other Benghazi type attacks occurred on George W. Bush's watch without any outrage from the Right -- this statement from an official adviser to the Trump campaign has put this election into a league of its own.
Stop and think about it for a minute. We have an advisor to a man who has been nominated to be President by a national party calling for the killing of the presumptive nominee of the other party. Folks, we are in very deep shit here. As Andrew Sullivan wrote:
For Trump is not just a wacky politician of the far right, or a riveting television spectacle, or a Twitter phenom and bizarre working-class hero. He is not just another candidate to be parsed and analyzed by TV pundits in the same breath as all the others. In terms of our liberal democracy and constitutional order, Trump is an extinction-level event. Its long past time we started treating him as such.*
Somehow we need to a) make damn sure this monster not only does not get elected, but that he disappears from the national stage forever by losing overwhelmingly and b) we need to hold Hillary to her promises to not pass the TPP and to work to overturn Citizen's United. WE need to take back our government and make it again a "...government of the people, by the people and for the people."
*http://thedailybanter.com/2016/05/andrew-sullivan-returns-to-warn-america-of-donald-trumps-threat-to-all-human-life/
lapfog_1
(29,205 posts)"'This is a God-given signal! If this fire, as I believe, turns out to be the handiwork of <Democrats>, then there is nothing that shall stop us now crushing out this murder pest with an iron fist.'
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)I think these people are crazy.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)After all, they're saying it on patios and porches, among friends in living rooms, anonymously in forums. All those empty seats at the arena as some Republican stalwarts leave as soon as the important business is finished have to be just a faint reflection of what is happening among viewers in millions of living rooms.
Last night's speakers' agenda was supposed to be jobs. i don't know what CNN is doing, but MSNBC has shown the "lock her up" mob many times today with discussion of how the night was devoted instead of jobs to a full-frontal display of Hillary hate.
Again, good.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)It looks like they plan in creating lots of jobs locking up political opponents.
NBachers
(17,119 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)shortly after Obama took office? Fox was in it very heavy, including their alpha blondes, but variations were on all cable and TV networks. Plus, of course, every other medium.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Expelling millions of Latinos and building a wall put us in that place.
CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and all the anti-Hillary emphasis. I just heard a report that of the 19 speeches last night, which were supposed to focus on jobs, 13 were anti-Hillary, and as we know very nastily in most cases.
Btw, only 6 were pro-Trump!
They are so losing.
CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)I saw a little of it last night & couldn't believe the chanting, "lock her up." And the comment that she should be shot for treason.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)So agree!
cutroot
(875 posts)The threats are a sign of desperation. In their logic, It has become the only viable solution.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)Republican, white, male and over 40. If they had their choice, they would prefer a country ruled by a dictator and throw out most of the Constitution, with a few exceptions. Many of them would declare this is a Christian nation, and By GOD, if you are not a Christian, they will make you one, whether you like, or not. As for a wall, they would have it built around the entire nation. Travel overseas? Not likely, unless you work for the US Government. Trump probably envies North Korea and Kim Jong Un for having so much power. Republicans may hate China but probably envy the way they run their country. War? Its a racket, a way to make billions of dollars by evading anyone with great resources. Allies? Who needs them, as I am sure right wingers can probably find ways to hate the people of UK and the rest of Europe. These Republicans are arrogant and untrustworthy, especially in ways of the State. The ruling class, or 1%ers at the top of heap would love Trump, because he can make them rise to the levels of the "Superior class" while the rest of us are either deported, or live in squalid conditions across America. Orwell's nightmare come true!
Ms.Lib
(131 posts)they dive through a hole beneath the sewer.
ymetca
(1,182 posts)...we are seeing the last days of the Republican party as a coherent entity. After Trump spectacularly crashes and burns, along with not taking back the Senate and losing seats in the House, despite their best gerrymandering efforts, the last of the corporatists will abandon them. They have pretty much squeezed their last dollar out of the evangelical crowd, and are left now with a hodge podge of cranky billionaires, white supremacists and radio talk show conspiracists.
But I could be wrong, of course..
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)mrmpa
(4,033 posts)Trump is the Greg Stillson of the 21st century.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)One of my favorites-- the book and movie both.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)They have already selected their targets.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)all his followers.
We built this.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)These people are far more informed, well-educated, overfed and pampered, by comparison. There is almost nothing about that history, that life that should not have informed anyone about how destructive and hate-filled it was.
It inoculated us for many years. People who birthed our parents friggin' hung people for playing out what the swindler is suggesting. We knew it was wrong as a nation. But now we have grown a new crowd that has, instead, chosen to be informed by that horror. So despite all we have, and our experience, all the accomplishments of this nation, our learning, - here we are.
We need to look nowhere else. That's 100% American Beef, baby.
treestar
(82,383 posts)when they use it as a bludgeon in any debate to apparently deem them entitled. They didn't serve then, they did it for personal power.
And I bet he was all for Iraq so he'd better not be on Hillary about that.
Benghazi and emails have been thoroughly investigated and nothing found wrong and he's still using it.
Lady_Chat
(561 posts)Freedom of speech includes making death threats? WTF?
BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)WHEN has behavior like this ever been acceptable other than in a totalitarian regime?
Disgusting. The deafening silence on the part of any "decent" repigs is pretty telling.
Loki
(3,825 posts)and he should be removed from office in New Hampshire, and immediately investigated for making violent threats against a candidate running for the office of President of the United States. Where in the fuck is the Secret Service?
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)Loki
(3,825 posts)heresAthingdotcom
(160 posts)their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous.
In consequence of these facts,
all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan.
As soon as you sacrifice the slogan and try to be many-sided,
the effect will piddle away,
for the crowd can neither digest nor retain the material offered."
("Adolf Hitler: quote on propaganda"
Trump has mastered the 'slogan' for the 'great masses' and his crowd can 'neither digest nor retain other material offered....'
Like Trump said, 'I could shoot someone in the middle of times square and they would still vote for me....'
Absolutely...
The entire German population was certainly not as heartless and cruel as Hitler was, so it stands to reason that Hitler must have been a masterful propagandist in order to persuade the Germans that his policies were necessary and just.
https://owlcation.com/humanities/Adolf-Hitlers-Tremendous-Persuasive-Ability
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)tinrobot
(10,903 posts)Just like that crazy guy who shot up the Planned Parenthood clinic because of Carly Fiorina's blathering about that fake video.
This is not good.
Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)This is real, this is happening, fascism is in our face, what are you going to do to stop it?
I am going to work my butt off to defeat Trump at the polls.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)Peacefully of course, for that is my right.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)They are asking people to commit crimes! Anyone!
You have been given public permission because that's how our government works!
The GOP will cover your legal fees. Heck they will defend you.
Heck they will pardon you.
Heck they might even run you for Prez!
Murder is a-OK in the Bible!
Actually won't be murder, you'll be considered a soldier or such...
geretogo
(1,281 posts)right Reaganomics has brought to this very rotten and corrupt Banana Republic called America .
maxrandb
(15,334 posts)"Well, both sides advocate for the assassination of their opposition leaders"