Tim Kaine is up to 67% at predictit

[DemocratSinceBirth]

https://www.predictit.org/market/1530/who-will-win-the-2016-democratic-vice-presidential-nomination


I will swing with whomever Hillary picks. Defeating Trump is a moral imperative!

[MFM008]

1. sigh, i know

Just Kaine and Vilsak was not the choice I was hoping for......

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. I liked Warren, Brown, Perez, and Becerra in that order.

But I will defer to people who have access to a lot more information than me.

[villager]

3. I don't know that we need to be overly deferential to elected leaders, in a democracy....

That's different than being able to pursue civil discourse and disagreements, of course.

But the point is, they're just as capable of lapses in judgment as the rest of us.

Vilsack and Kaine would be quite uninspiring choices, indeed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. I don't think we should be deferential to leaders.

My point is if I hired someone to do a job I would defer to his or her judgement.

I suspect her team knows what it's doing.

[villager]

10. Well, again, we know that politicians make missteps for a variety of reasons...

But let's see who she announces, and take it from there...

[pnwmom]

12. Hillary knows more than we do about who she could work well with. n/t

[villager]

14. Her calculations are perhaps different than certain segments of her presumptive base, yes.

But again, that's the kind of unquestioning deference I was talking about.

[pnwmom]

15. Her base, ie., people who consistently vote for Democrats, will be fine with whomever she chooses.

She's only looking at very solid people.

[villager]

17. Rationalize all you want. Certain picks will be less "fine" with certain large segments of voters.

nt

[NurseJackie]

19. Which segments?

[villager]

20. We will know depending on who the pick is, yes? nt

[NurseJackie]

29. Just goes to show... it's impossible to please everyone.

[villager]

39. True enough. And hopefully, it won't be a question of only pleasing "the usual suspects"

..who have skewed so much of American politics, and its economy, corporate-ward....

[NurseJackie]

48. Why are you talking in code and putting vague generalities in quote-marks? Why not ...

... be more direct, forthright and plainspoken?

What do you mean by "usual suspects"?

[villager]

51. The code and the evasiveness is yours, really. Tell us know what (not "who") you are *for*

...in this election.

Specifically, what policies and changes are you voting for, in this election?

[NurseJackie]

55. Does this mean that you do not support Hillary as our nominee? Also, I see ...

... that you're trying to change the subject, it appears that you'd rather avoid responding to my question and/or explain who the "usual suspects" are.

[villager]

56. So I gather you're an advocate for greater bank deregulation, then?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tim-kaine-clinton-vp_us_578fc8e3e4b0bdddc4d2c86c?section=

[NurseJackie]

59. What would you assume that about me?

[CrowCityDem]

26. The people who will only vote based on the VP pick are a tiny bunch of non-Democrats.

[villager]

27. Exclusively? Sure. But the pick will still send a strong message about what the ticket is "about"

...in a more fundamental way.

[CrowCityDem]

32. We already know what the ticket is about. That's why we nominate someone for President.

[villager]

38. i don't know about you, but I found Obama's cabinet picks massively disappointing

...coming after the rhetoric he used on the campaign trail.

[John Poet]

98. I've voted for Democrats all my voting life, but I will not necessarily "be fine"

with anyone she chooses...


It can't make any difference as to whether I will vote Democratic,
(considering the fascist maniac also running),
but it certainly can and will make some difference to
whether I do anything else for the ticket...

It has been very difficult for me to get behind her,
considering everything I've learned in the past year.

Now her VP choice can either make it easier,
or make it even harder.

[pnwmom]

102. Which of the progressives whose names are being mentioned -- and they're all progressive --

would you oppose?

[John Poet]

103. I'd prefer it wasn't Kaine or Vilsack.

[pnwmom]

104. What are your issues with them? nt

[Bluenorthwest]

4. Very difficult to cast that vote. I certainly can't campaign for such a ticket the man has

spent decades trash talking my community. He sucked as Chair and has zero foreign policy chops. A bigoted and mediocre choice that recalls past years we'd like to see forgotten. Tim spent years entirely opposed to LGBT rights, civil unions and everything. Might as well nominate a Republican.

[Joe the Revelator]

22. Can you please link me to these bigoted tantrums you are mentioning?

Thanks.

[NWCorona]

5. The way he's been hitting the media

Including the Spanish market. I'd have to agree.

[Scruffy1]

6. perfect.

Appeases the right wing of the party and puts him in a place with no power.

[Bluenorthwest]

8. Currently Kaine holds no office and has zero power, VP is promoting and rewarding him

for his right wing views and bigoted tantrums over the years.

[timlot]

13. Would love some examples of said bigotry.

At on time Obama and Hillary were talking "civil unions". This crazy right wing persona seems counter to everything I've seen of Tim Kaine.

[Joe the Revelator]

23. I would like to see some examples as well.

[dsc]

25. He is US Senator from VA

I wouldn't precisely call that no office.

[underpants]

34. He's a sitting US Senator

[Joe the Revelator]

74. Are you certain you know who Tim Kaine is?

So far you've called him a bigot, with nothing to back up that claim, as well as a person who holds no office (though he is a senator). Are you sure you don't have him confused with someone else?

[Peregrine Took]

9. Rather him over factory farm Vilsack. n/t

[MoonRiver]

54. Factory farm? Tell me more, please.

[Person 2713]

86. Agree - no pink slime ( him or the meat he loves folks to eat )

[John Poet]

97. How about Neither?

That's my vote.

[mcar]

11. I agree

I respect her intelligence and think she will choose the right person for her.

[LonePirate]

16. If Kaine is the VP pick, keep him in AZ and FL and utilize his fluent Spanish.

We can flip AZ this year, especially if we make an effort. Camping him there to charge up Hispanic voters and using him to appeal to seniors will help significantly. The same approach can be applied to FL to keep it blue.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Idiomatic Spanish like a native speaker !!!

[yurbud]

21. If defeating Trump is a moral imperative, Hillary would do well to pick a progressive and wait to

disappoint the Democratic Party base until after the election.

A pick like Kaine, Vilsack, Booker, and most of the others signals that nothing will change after the election.

Most of us will not be voting for that.

[villager]

28. Right. A "business as usual" pick just confirms a lot of "worst fears" about the campaign. nt

[NurseJackie]

30. What fears?

[villager]

40. What might you imagine they could be, in a corporate-run economy, with corporate-skewed politics

...that increasingly fail to serve the majority of citizens?

[NurseJackie]

45. Ah... those are Bernie vs Hillary talking points. It's time to move on.

[villager]

46. Um, no, it's time to start fixing the country, yes?

[NurseJackie]

47. Hillary is our nominee. We should trust her judgement, yes?

[villager]

49. You are free to trust any official or office-holder to any absolute degree you want.

I prefer a different approach to participatory democracy.

[NurseJackie]

50. It's unclear what you're trying to say. Can you elaborate?

[villager]

52. You first, since you like to feint and jab without offering what it is you are *for*

...that might be different from the person you're responding to.

I'm for less corporate influence in our politics and law-making.

Are you?

For starters.

[NurseJackie]

57. You're evading and dodging. I'm not the one making vague passive-aggressive posts ...

... sprinkled with scare-quotes. If you'd just write plainly and say what you mean, then none of this would be necessary, yes?

I'm for less corporate influence in our politics and law-making.

Absolutely! That's why I support Hillary and trust her judgement when it comes to her VP pick.

Do you?

Will you be deciding on whether or not to support her based on her VP pick?

[villager]

58. I would not trust a VP pick who calls for more bank deregulation, no:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tim-kaine-clinton-vp_us_578fc8e3e4b0bdddc4d2c86c?section=

[NurseJackie]

60. If that's your one single most important issue, then you're in a tough spot, yes?

[villager]

61. The country's in a tough spot, yes? nt

[NurseJackie]

65. Why so gloomy? Hillary will be our next president, and that makes me very happy!

[villager]

66. I would be happier knowing we'll be getting meaningful, overdue change

...rather than more of the same -- i.e., increased corporate control over our lives.

[NurseJackie]

71. Again with the Bernie-vs-Hillary talking points and arguments? The primary is over.

Hillary is not "more of the same". She's the one who motivated and fired-up more people to vote for her.

Having Hillary as our nominee does not mean (to use your words) "increased corporate control over our lives" ... that's just silly talk.

It's time to leave those old battles behind and support our nominee. The kind of Gloomy-Gus attitude you're demonstrating and the "oh, woe are we" posts are counterproductive.

[villager]

72. Again, what specific *policies* are you *for*, Nurse Jackie?

Put aside the name calling and the rhetorical flourishes.

What are you, as a voter, voting for?

[NurseJackie]

77. You act as though we're on different sides, yes?

Are you still in primary-mode? Or are you supporting our party's nominee?

Put aside the name calling and the rhetorical flourishes.

Name-calling? I did no such thing. Don't be silly. Such accusations are defensive distractions.

[villager]

79. Can you actually answer the question?

[NurseJackie]

83. You mean the one/s you asked when trying to deflect and change the subject?

I support the goals and policies of our nominee, just as you do, right? (Or are we on different sides? You're sending mixed signals, it's difficult to tell.)

[villager]

84. Sadly, you can't.

Alas.

[NurseJackie]

89. You're correct! I can't ...

... be distracted by lame attempts to deflect and change the subject. "Alas" for you, not for me.

[villager]

92. Bye, Nurse Jackie.

Have fun with your ROFL smilies.

I'm actually here to, you know, discuss things with people.

[NurseJackie]

93. If you say so. (But, honestly, I think there's more to it than that.)

It's still unclear to me how you intend on having actual meaningful discussions when you insist on using vague code-talk and underhanded phrases wrapped in quotes ... and then get all hyper-defensive when asked for clarifications and the hidden meaning of such cryptic phraseology ... well, the whole thing is just a completely mystery to me with regard to what you actually expected. (However, if by "discussion" you actually mean "argument" or "bickering" ... then, I would completely agree with you on that.)

[Joe the Revelator]

24. Tim Kaine would put me all in.

He's much more liberal than some of your realize.

[underpants]

35. Thank you. Yes he would be a fantastic pick.

[kwolf68]

64. I think he is...

Carter-esque. Doesn't his faith push him toward being more progressive like President Carter's?

[Joe the Revelator]

73. It does indeed. He is very VERY careful not to let his faith affect policy though.

He has personal reservations with abortion, but has said time and again that doesn't mean his personal opinion should be legislated. That is what I ask for from elected folks.

[4139]

31. As some from Virginia I would like to point out, many/most Virginians...

Don't recognize his name.

For those who don't remember Kaine beat George Allen to get to the senate or should I say George Allen self distructed... My cat could have beaten George Allen.

Good person, but adds nothing.

[underpants]

36. Most people I know recognize him by first name. You just say "Tim"

but that's in Richmond

[4139]

41. Well, he was a city councilman then the Mayor of Richmond ...

I had to google that!

Edit: I'v been in no va since 1982

[underpants]

43. and Lt. Governor and Governor and now Senator

[villager]

62. ...and now bank deregulator:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tim-kaine-clinton-vp_us_578fc8e3e4b0bdddc4d2c86c?section=

[MattP]

67. Didn't Webb beat Allen?

[4139]

70. 2006, then Kaine beat Allen in 2012

[Joe the Revelator]

75. Mayor of Richmond, Lt. Governor under the Mark Warner dem revolution, Governor and Senator

If you don't know his name in Virginia, then you are just not paying attention.

[RAFisher]

80. How do most Virginians not know some who's held statewide office for 12 years?

There was a 3 year break between when he ended his governorship and became a senator. I guess that could explain something.

[redstatebluegirl]

33. I don't like Kaine, he is about as boring as Pence but not as crazy.

I'll support Secretary Clinton's pick but please, does it have to be this guy?

[NBachers]

37. *sigh* Low wattage - hopes fade

[NewJeffCT]

42. As I said in another thread

In 2012, Obama lost independents to Romney by 50-45.

However, he was able to fire up Democrats to turn out & vote for him in much greater numbers than Republicans voted for Romney.

Tim Kaine and Tom Vilsack are not going to help fire up Democrats and turn out the base.

Elizabeth Warren will fire up liberals and some still on-the-fence Sanders supporters. Xavier Berecca, Tom Perez or Julian Castro will help to fire up the Hispanic vote and drive up turnout there.

[pnwmom]

53. Hillary will fire up the base, which is the people who consistently vote for Democrats.

This includes women, African Americans, and Latinos.

The question is who will also expand the base, and the answer to that isn't so obvious.

[NurseJackie]

63. The same way that Sarah Palin "fired up" Republicans?

Lord help us.

[ibegurpard]

87. we don't have any Sarah Palins on the left

Although I suppose a third-way conservadem might see things differently

[NurseJackie]

90. "Third-way conservadem" ... seriously? Are we still doing this?

[NewJeffCT]

96. she did fire up Republicans, but turned off independents

In 2008, Obama won independents 52-44. In 2012, he lo

Yes, he won by a bit more in 2008 because Democratic turnout made up 1% more of the overall electorate (39 vs 38) and the swing in independents.

[farmboy]

99. If you think any of our vp candidates compare with Palin, no reason to converse with you further.

[NurseJackie]

100. You took a wrong turn.

[MelSC]

44. Not thrilled with the choice but

Voting for Hillary no matter what.

[comradebillyboy]

68. All the current potential picks are just fine

[Joe the Revelator]

76. Why?

[Eleanors38]

85. "Deregulate banks?" Why I never heard of such.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

82. Kaine is having a rough day here. I trust Clinton to make a pick which increases her chances.

[ibegurpard]

81. unfortunate

He adds nothing to a ticket that needs to GOTV

[Joe the Revelator]

88. He keeps VA blue, which is arguably why we have won so easily the last 2 cycles...

.........blue.

[ibegurpard]

94. Tim Kaine is not solely responsible

For keeping Virginia blue.

[Joe the Revelator]

95. Well yeah, obviously, but it would guarantee it. You could put it on the board.

[pansypoo53219]

91. do we want to LOSE???? BORING +BORING IS LOSER.

[RandySF]

101. I called Biden boring in 2008

Do we want to be like the Republicans or do we want to show stability?

[StevieM]

105. I don't know why but the link isn't working for me. Could you write out

where all the potential VPs stand? If it's not too much trouble?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

106. Kaine 76% Vilsack 13% Perez 5%

google Democratic VP predictit

[avebury]

107. Hillary needs a really strong, solid VP pick as well as a

strong, well run convention to show that the Democrats know how to do it. Their convention needs to be the total opposite of the RNC. It has to be filled with real substance not empty words, no fearmongering, no hatred, filled with inclusiveness, and so on. I would love to see a speech pointing out the real accomplishments of people from the various ethnic and racial background and how diversity has played a big role with making this country was it is. People need to realize what accomplishments that might not have ever come into existence if either non-white and or females weren't there to make a discovery or create an invention.

I'll vote for Hillary because Trump is by far too dangerous. However, I would not be thrilled with Tim Kaine if he is pushing for banking deregulation. It would be interesting if she picked a solid chandidate from one of the groups that the Rethugs are so eager to disenfranchise.

[Stuart G]

108. "Defeating Trump is a moral imperative!"......well said....nt