2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary needs to deal with the trust issue
She's going to be hammered on it because it's her biggest "weakness."
The frustrating thing is that all the "scandals" that she's been involved in really are part of a vast right-wing conspiracy. Every single scandal she's faced has been orchestrated by the right and funded by our taxpayer dollars. And she has never been in a scandal that resulted in her being charged with anything, even when the accusations were investigated by prominent right wingers like Comey and Starr.
The email scandal is especially ludicrous. After all. many Congresspeople use private email accounts and private servers for their official business and don't even have to save copies of their emails. So, if the Republicans were really serious about possible security breaches through email, why wouldn't they be calling for investigations of the email of liberal and Muslim Congresspeople? After all, no matter what they think of Hillary, surely Republicans think even worse of those radicals (LOL) like Sanders, Ellison, Warren, and so on.
I think the biggest challenge of this campaign will be for Hillary to restore her credibility. I don't think she can ignore this issue. I think she needs to find a way to confront it because frankly it's going to come up in every debate, every Republican campaign ad, and it's all over the place on the internet.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)Yet is found guilty of none of it. People say that with so many accusations, she can't be trusted. I don't think they know what trust means as this is evidence that she is trustworthy. In any case, ask yourself, "How trustworthy is Trump?"
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)How do you deal with a 30 year coordinated smear campaign? Who have you EVER heard talk about being credible and address "trust" who didn't end up looking less trustworthy? The key mark of a conman is talking about their honesty. Every single question or concern real or feigned should be addressed by her curtly and dismissively with "they've tried to paint me as dishonest for decades and every single investigation at the cost of millions has exonerated me. It's a smear campaign and nothing more - next question." No details, no empathy, no follow ups, no credit.
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)but like the others, how? I know she has many staffers...they need to huddle up and figure this one out.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Haveadream
(1,630 posts)rather than the obsessive focusing on Hillary's negatives. Hillary is judged FAR more harshly than Trump. As Trump said, he could probably kill someone publicly and get a pass for it. People who criticize her while shrugging off the morally depraved Trump need to do some serious soul searching about their BIAS.
Zing Zing Zingbah
(6,496 posts)Trump supporters are not introspective types.
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)They also don't seem to care much about anyone else either. What barren lives they live but for their zealotry. No wonder they need something larger than life outside themselves to give their frustrations meaning.
wallyworld2
(375 posts)is not the way to do it.
She needs to raise the level of discourse and not do things like this:
"Hillary Clinton rarely appears on Fox News, but she called into The OReilly Factor to give her first reaction to the attack in Nice, France. (Donald Trump called into the show earlier.).....
....Clinton said, Its terrible that France has faced too much tragedy and violence and we need to stand strongly with them.
She affirmed that this is a war against these terrorist groups, these radical jihadist groups.....
...Clinton followed this up with an appearance on CNN, where she reaffirmed that the U.S. is at war with radical jihadists."
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hillary-clinton-calls-into-fox-news-to-speak-with-oreilly-about-attack-in-nice/
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)so its no going any where and little hillary can do.....the question is who will you trust with america....democrats or conservatives....to me...its a no-brainer
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)First of all, let me state the obvious right up front. Hillary is human. And yes, she has made mistakes. Please show me a politician whos never told a lie or exaggerated or embellished
.you cant
.because there are none. But in most cases where she is accused of lying, people are just repeating something theyve heard countless times. Whether or not she has actually lied about whatever issue doesnt matter to Hillary-haters. Theyve successfully stoked the narrative that shes not honest.
It doesnt matter to the haters that many of the things shes been accused of lying about are simply her evolving her positions over the years. Obama and any politician whos been around more than 5 minutes has done the same. But its only Hillary that gets bombarded with the liar label. Because, well
.Hillary.
But is Hillary a bigger liar than Trump, or any other politician for that matter? No. In fact, according to PolitiFact Hillary Clinton is actually the most honest of any candidate that has run for President this cycle. PolitiFact has rated 24% of her contentious statements as perfectly true. While that may seem low, compare that to Bernie Sanders
.who no one has ever called a liar
.who rated at just 15% for perfectly true statements. If you add up Hillarys comments that scored true, mostly true, or half true she scores 72%. Bernie scores 70%. Only 14% of Hillarys statements rated as false or pants on fire. By the same measure, Bernie scored 15%.
But if you really want to look at a good comparison, you have to look at Trumps scores. Trump only gets the true rating 2% of the time. And when you add his false and pants on fire statements he scores a whopping 61%, which makes him the biggest liar of any politician PolitiFact has ever scored. And yet when Trump is literally lying 61% of the time
.compared to Hillarys 14%
..he is somehow still seen as being more honest than Hillary. Ironically every time Trump carries on about Hillarys lies, it is actually Trump whos lying.
unblock
(52,243 posts)everyone from obama on down needs to say, at every opportunity, that she's a person of great integrity, she keeps her promises, etc.
defense is not usually great in politics but counter-attack is.
the surrogates need to go after the perpetual fake scandal machine as a long-standing effort to smear someone that has turned over every rock and in 30 years produced nothing of substance.
she's the most thoroughly vetted presidential candidate ever.
procon
(15,805 posts)Republicans are experienced pros at getting their message out to the public in ways that their Big Lies always seem sane and credible. The perceptions they want to create are based on provoking an emotional reaction with a simple, short slogan, no critical thinking is necessary. The preferred themes are repeated 24/7 via an interlinked circle that begins with Fox news celebrities, then it's picked up by hate radio kooks, the brand name pundits, opinionists and professional comment writers, GOP leaders and politicians. This gives the rightwing audience the impression that "everyone" agrees, therefor it must be true and credible. Public opinion is solidified when the MSN shows pick up the trending stories and repeat the GOPs propaganda verbatim without question.
The Democratic Party has nothing that can compete, let alone counter, the brilliantly crafted and cunningly scripted messaging that the Republicans have perfected over the past 2 decades. I'm not entirely willing to concede that is necessarily a bad thing, two Big Lie Machines would be just as bad as the one. Dems certainly need to be more accessible to the media and at least share a similar, and easy to remember theme that hits both an emotional bell as well as the factual authenticity we expect.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)kacekwl
(7,017 posts)it mentions a ceasefire and taking on Putin ...honestly can't remember the rest. Not inspiring at all. I follow news and politics more than most and struggle to think of any significant accomplishments she has had. I'm sure there are some but the average voter certainly has no idea what they are. The trust / honesty issue is huge for her as heard constantly in the media. She IMOP needs to pound TRUMP on HIS constant lies his crooked business dealings . I'm sure there are many to choose from but never hear more than blips hear or there. Sad we don't have a media monopoly like the republicans do to get her message honestly out to the masses.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)...then you really don't follow news and politics more than most.
kacekwl
(7,017 posts)Ask anyone on the street you most likely will get the same response. Without Google help what can you list for me ?
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)damaged by Bush/Cheney around the world.
But I've taken the time to educate myself, so maybe there's just no comparison possible between us.
"It is better to light a candle than to curse the dark." -Eleanor Roosevelt
kacekwl
(7,017 posts)how does Hillary change the perception that she is dishonest . My point is she has a army of advisors and professional spinners yet the messaging is weak for me and I assume many others.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Maybe stop going around complaining that you don't know Clinton's achievements when you've clearly never researched them.
Light a candle already. Or better yet:
Http://www.HillaryClinton.com
kacekwl
(7,017 posts)She can certainly save money on campaign ads and just run a static screen advising anyone who would like to know if Hillary is really dishonest to visit HillaryClinton.com. How can she lose ?
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Isn't JPR more your speed? Don't bother, I won't see it.
kacekwl
(7,017 posts)not only won't you see it but you definitely won't understand it. Don't bother responding you haven't understood a thing I have said so far.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Whether you agree with it or not the perception of her has had years to bake in. It is what it is.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Spazito
(50,349 posts)Her credibility is fine. Those in the real world are enjoying their summer and not focused on politics. I think the concern expressed by some is way overblown, it's best to chill, Hillary and her campaign are doing fine, imo.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Such an abundance of concern! (If only it were real!)
treestar
(82,383 posts)The right knows they can get a lot of mileage out of repeating lies over and over and making it look like there is fire when there is none.
Somehow we can't let the right continue like that. Any person of ill will can start rumors about anyone. That's the place to attack.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Quite frankly, she is looking pretty damn good despite this "trust" RW meme. In fact, I think most people are kinda fatigued about anything antiHillary. When you hear it all the time, you tend to tune it out at some point. ...especially when it goes nowhere over and over.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Conservatives who don't 'trust' her and are angry about her email server will never vote for her.
Liberals who don't 'trust' her to stand up to corporations could be convinced by her choosing Elizabeth Warren for VP.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)with liberals.
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VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)With a guy next to me who routinely forgets to clear his weapon during drills due to carelessness, I'm not going to trust him to not accidentally shoot me believing his weapon was clear. The gulf is much smaller than you think.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)However, she doesn't need to "deal with" any crap the right wing is trying to push.
underpants
(182,823 posts)Scare the hell out of white people and there's no telling what they will do.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)... on their website, or on CorrectRecord.org, to succinctly state Hillary's responses to the 3 main complaints.
But first let me emphasize that I am a Hillary supporter since she was at Wellesley. I have complete faith in her integrity. I want to help represent her in the best way in this messy, complex, nuanced situation.
1 - There were more than one server (this is the one that caused David Brooks to say "She lied." 2 - The claim that there was no classified info on the server. It could be that she didn't notice it was classified (no headings/subjects) or that she and State disagree that it was classified, or.. or.. Particularly confusing is the number issue 100+ is one number and 3, with two being mistakenly classified is another number. I've never been able to sort that out. 3 - Her lawyers reviewed all e-mails in addition to using search engines.
I've tried to sort out the info to come up with my own arguments when I happen to encounter fence sitters. (Fence sitters do exist. People can be persuaded. I've done it myself). See my post link below. But I would be very greatful to go to some reliable place on the internet where the campaign's/Hillary's explanation for the apparent discrepancies is stated as succinctly as possible.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512254176
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Yep.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/15/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-poll.html
On the eve of the major party conventions, voters are grudgingly rallying around the nominees while expressing broad misgivings about the candidates, the campaign and the direction of the country, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.
More than a third of Republicans say they are disappointed or upset that Donald J. Trump, who crashed the partys nominating process, will represent them in the fall campaign; an equal number say he does not represent the values the party should stand for.
Democrats are only marginally happier with Hillary Clinton as their partys candidate. A quarter of Democratic voters say they are disappointed in her as the nominee; an additional seven percent say they are upset. More promisingly for her, three-quarters say Mrs. Clinton stands for the core values and principles of the Democratic Party.
The broad discontent is reflected in the head-to-head contest, which has Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton tied at 40 percent. Mr. Trumps standing has held steady for weeks at around 40 percentage points, while Mrs. Clinton has polled in the mid-40s in most public surveys.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512253653
It's not totally up to Hillary. Rank and file have a roll to play, if they will take it on.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Ive gotten to know Hillary really well, and she is a good, smart, tough person who cares deeply about this country President Barack Obama
If you follow politics you know theres a gaping chasm between Hillarys public image and her actual character. That chasm was purposely created by her opponents and is purposely exploited by them.
In the caricatured version of Hillary promulgated by her detractors in politics and media, Hillary is lying and corrupt. In actual reality, Hillary is a person of integrity who is respected, loved and trusted by those who know her best.
more:
http://bluenationreview.com/hillary-clinton-does-not-have-a-trust-and-honesty-problem/
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)manufactured over a long period of time by the RW smear machine, there's nothing she can really do, by refuting with her own words. That the far left used the SAME RW smears against her, is on the far left for doing it in the first place.
Perhaps the far left should try and amend where they've consistently painted her as this, and other things, such as evil, by refuting it themselves. Undo the damage caused with the younger voters who didn't KNOW anything about her, by being honest that the reason they used the RW smears was to win the party selection, and not because these things were actually true. It won't happen, of course, as it was all politics to begin with, to win a political contest.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)It is not something she can sit back and ignore. Her campaign needs a media PR campaign that emphasizes her honesty and trustworthiness.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)n/t