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Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 09:05 AM Jul 2016

Hillary needs to deal with the trust issue

She's going to be hammered on it because it's her biggest "weakness."

The frustrating thing is that all the "scandals" that she's been involved in really are part of a vast right-wing conspiracy. Every single scandal she's faced has been orchestrated by the right and funded by our taxpayer dollars. And she has never been in a scandal that resulted in her being charged with anything, even when the accusations were investigated by prominent right wingers like Comey and Starr.

The email scandal is especially ludicrous. After all. many Congresspeople use private email accounts and private servers for their official business and don't even have to save copies of their emails. So, if the Republicans were really serious about possible security breaches through email, why wouldn't they be calling for investigations of the email of liberal and Muslim Congresspeople? After all, no matter what they think of Hillary, surely Republicans think even worse of those radicals (LOL) like Sanders, Ellison, Warren, and so on.

I think the biggest challenge of this campaign will be for Hillary to restore her credibility. I don't think she can ignore this issue. I think she needs to find a way to confront it because frankly it's going to come up in every debate, every Republican campaign ad, and it's all over the place on the internet.

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Hillary needs to deal with the trust issue (Original Post) Onlooker Jul 2016 OP
What do you suggest? auntpurl Jul 2016 #1
That's my question as well. Quite telling how the OP refused to answer it. nt Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #29
She gets accused of everything under the sun rock Jul 2016 #2
How? whatthehey Jul 2016 #3
I agree... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #4
What about Trump's trust issue. Is he trustworthy? JaneyVee Jul 2016 #5
We need to be talking much more about this Haveadream Jul 2016 #10
Those people really don't care if they have a bias. Zing Zing Zingbah Jul 2016 #14
You are right! Haveadream Jul 2016 #16
Going on faux wallyworld2 Jul 2016 #6
trust issue its all crap but its the only thing conservatives have.... beachbum bob Jul 2016 #7
Here are some suggestions ehrnst Jul 2016 #8
Agree. From that link: lovemydog Jul 2016 #43
there's nothing *she* can do herself. this is a job for surrogates unblock Jul 2016 #9
Democrats lack a cohesive and professional propaganda machine. procon Jul 2016 #11
Hillary doesn't need to do jack shit bigdarryl Jul 2016 #12
I saw a Hillary ad touting her accomplishments as SOS kacekwl Jul 2016 #13
If you "follow news and politics more than most" and still don't know HRC's accomplishments... BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #20
I just saw an ad by Hillary and still don't know any. kacekwl Jul 2016 #32
Iran sanctions, SCHIP, 9/11 first responder health bill, repairing relations BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #34
I'm not trying to compare myself to you. The subject is kacekwl Jul 2016 #36
My point is that you're responsible for your own education. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #37
Good idea. kacekwl Jul 2016 #38
And the mask comes off. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #40
Never been there but kacekwl Jul 2016 #42
Here's a partial list of her accomplishments ehrnst Jul 2016 #46
She can't ibegurpard Jul 2016 #15
Thank you for your concern. Republicans spied on the Congressional e-mail servers. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #17
Hillary is doing fine, imo... Spazito Jul 2016 #18
#Concernucopia BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #19
Sort of gives power to false accusers no? treestar Jul 2016 #21
This is not a new "issue". They have been going after her for 25 years. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #22
Different groups have different 'trust' issues with her. Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #23
Obama broke many promises - and is going strong in the polls ehrnst Jul 2016 #45
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #24
If I'm sitting in a shelter taking mortar fire downrange, VulgarPoet Jul 2016 #31
Nice that you're so concerned. cwydro Jul 2016 #25
Frankly I'd say that BLM could have more of an influence underpants Jul 2016 #26
How about we start here by never bringing up emails or Benghazi. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #27
Those on the right and far left need to stop stoking thos fears. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2016 #28
Bullshit.... giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #30
One thing I'd like is for the campaign.... LAS14 Jul 2016 #33
Poll Finds Voters in Both Parties Unhappy With Their Candidates/NYT Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #35
Thanks to Comey, most think HRC lied about not sending classfied data - what to do about that? Bill USA Jul 2016 #39
Let It Go, Media: Hillary Clinton Does NOT Have a Trust and Honesty Problem baldguy Jul 2016 #41
Given that this so called trust issue has been DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #44
I agree. Hillary needs to tackle the PR image painting her as untrustable. UCmeNdc Jul 2016 #47
Concern, noted. ericson00 Jul 2016 #48

rock

(13,218 posts)
2. She gets accused of everything under the sun
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 09:13 AM
Jul 2016

Yet is found guilty of none of it. People say that with so many accusations, she can't be trusted. I don't think they know what trust means as this is evidence that she is trustworthy. In any case, ask yourself, "How trustworthy is Trump?"

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
3. How?
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 09:13 AM
Jul 2016

How do you deal with a 30 year coordinated smear campaign? Who have you EVER heard talk about being credible and address "trust" who didn't end up looking less trustworthy? The key mark of a conman is talking about their honesty. Every single question or concern real or feigned should be addressed by her curtly and dismissively with "they've tried to paint me as dishonest for decades and every single investigation at the cost of millions has exonerated me. It's a smear campaign and nothing more - next question." No details, no empathy, no follow ups, no credit.

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
4. I agree...
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 09:18 AM
Jul 2016

but like the others, how? I know she has many staffers...they need to huddle up and figure this one out.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
10. We need to be talking much more about this
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 09:42 AM
Jul 2016

rather than the obsessive focusing on Hillary's negatives. Hillary is judged FAR more harshly than Trump. As Trump said, he could probably kill someone publicly and get a pass for it. People who criticize her while shrugging off the morally depraved Trump need to do some serious soul searching about their BIAS.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
16. You are right!
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:28 AM
Jul 2016

They also don't seem to care much about anyone else either. What barren lives they live but for their zealotry. No wonder they need something larger than life outside themselves to give their frustrations meaning.

wallyworld2

(375 posts)
6. Going on faux
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 09:25 AM
Jul 2016

is not the way to do it.

She needs to raise the level of discourse and not do things like this:

"Hillary Clinton rarely appears on Fox News, but she called into The O’Reilly Factor to give her first reaction to the attack in Nice, France. (Donald Trump called into the show earlier.).....

....Clinton said, “It’s terrible that France has faced too much tragedy and violence and we need to stand strongly with them.”

She affirmed that “this is a war against these terrorist groups, these radical jihadist groups.”....

...Clinton followed this up with an appearance on CNN, where she reaffirmed that the U.S. is at war with radical jihadists."

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hillary-clinton-calls-into-fox-news-to-speak-with-oreilly-about-attack-in-nice/

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
7. trust issue its all crap but its the only thing conservatives have....
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 09:33 AM
Jul 2016

so its no going any where and little hillary can do.....the question is who will you trust with america....democrats or conservatives....to me...its a no-brainer

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
43. Agree. From that link:
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 04:36 AM
Jul 2016

First of all, let me state the obvious right up front. Hillary is human. And yes, she has made mistakes. Please show me a politician who’s never told a lie or exaggerated or embellished….you can’t….because there are none. But in most cases where she is accused of lying, people are just repeating something they’ve heard countless times. Whether or not she has actually lied about whatever issue doesn’t matter to Hillary-haters. They’ve successfully stoked the narrative that she’s not honest.

It doesn’t matter to the haters that many of the things she’s been accused of lying about are simply her evolving her positions over the years. Obama and any politician who’s been around more than 5 minutes has done the same. But it’s only Hillary that gets bombarded with the liar label. Because, well….Hillary.

But is Hillary a bigger liar than Trump, or any other politician for that matter? No. In fact, according to PolitiFact Hillary Clinton is actually the most honest of any candidate that has run for President this cycle. PolitiFact has rated 24% of her contentious statements as perfectly “true.” While that may seem low, compare that to Bernie Sanders….who no one has ever called a liar….who rated at just 15% for perfectly true statements. If you add up Hillary’s comments that scored “true,” “mostly true,” or “half true” she scores 72%. Bernie scores 70%. Only 14% of Hillary’s statements rated as “false” or “pants on fire.” By the same measure, Bernie scored 15%.

But if you really want to look at a good comparison, you have to look at Trump’s scores. Trump only gets the “true” rating 2% of the time. And when you add his “false” and “pants on fire” statements he scores a whopping 61%, which makes him the biggest liar of any politician PolitiFact has ever scored. And yet when Trump is literally lying 61% of the time….compared to Hillary’s 14%…..he is somehow still seen as being more honest than Hillary. Ironically every time Trump carries on about Hillary’s lies, it is actually Trump who’s lying.

unblock

(52,243 posts)
9. there's nothing *she* can do herself. this is a job for surrogates
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 09:36 AM
Jul 2016

everyone from obama on down needs to say, at every opportunity, that she's a person of great integrity, she keeps her promises, etc.

defense is not usually great in politics but counter-attack is.

the surrogates need to go after the perpetual fake scandal machine as a long-standing effort to smear someone that has turned over every rock and in 30 years produced nothing of substance.

she's the most thoroughly vetted presidential candidate ever.

procon

(15,805 posts)
11. Democrats lack a cohesive and professional propaganda machine.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 09:50 AM
Jul 2016

Republicans are experienced pros at getting their message out to the public in ways that their Big Lies always seem sane and credible. The perceptions they want to create are based on provoking an emotional reaction with a simple, short slogan, no critical thinking is necessary. The preferred themes are repeated 24/7 via an interlinked circle that begins with Fox news celebrities, then it's picked up by hate radio kooks, the brand name pundits, opinionists and professional comment writers, GOP leaders and politicians. This gives the rightwing audience the impression that "everyone" agrees, therefor it must be true and credible. Public opinion is solidified when the MSN shows pick up the trending stories and repeat the GOPs propaganda verbatim without question.

The Democratic Party has nothing that can compete, let alone counter, the brilliantly crafted and cunningly scripted messaging that the Republicans have perfected over the past 2 decades. I'm not entirely willing to concede that is necessarily a bad thing, two Big Lie Machines would be just as bad as the one. Dems certainly need to be more accessible to the media and at least share a similar, and easy to remember theme that hits both an emotional bell as well as the factual authenticity we expect.

kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
13. I saw a Hillary ad touting her accomplishments as SOS
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 09:57 AM
Jul 2016

it mentions a ceasefire and taking on Putin ...honestly can't remember the rest. Not inspiring at all. I follow news and politics more than most and struggle to think of any significant accomplishments she has had. I'm sure there are some but the average voter certainly has no idea what they are. The trust / honesty issue is huge for her as heard constantly in the media. She IMOP needs to pound TRUMP on HIS constant lies his crooked business dealings . I'm sure there are many to choose from but never hear more than blips hear or there. Sad we don't have a media monopoly like the republicans do to get her message honestly out to the masses.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
20. If you "follow news and politics more than most" and still don't know HRC's accomplishments...
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:51 AM
Jul 2016

...then you really don't follow news and politics more than most.

kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
32. I just saw an ad by Hillary and still don't know any.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 02:16 PM
Jul 2016

Ask anyone on the street you most likely will get the same response. Without Google help what can you list for me ?

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
34. Iran sanctions, SCHIP, 9/11 first responder health bill, repairing relations
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jul 2016

damaged by Bush/Cheney around the world.

But I've taken the time to educate myself, so maybe there's just no comparison possible between us.

"It is better to light a candle than to curse the dark." -Eleanor Roosevelt

kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
36. I'm not trying to compare myself to you. The subject is
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jul 2016

how does Hillary change the perception that she is dishonest . My point is she has a army of advisors and professional spinners yet the messaging is weak for me and I assume many others.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
37. My point is that you're responsible for your own education.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 04:19 PM
Jul 2016

Maybe stop going around complaining that you don't know Clinton's achievements when you've clearly never researched them.

and struggle to think of any significant accomplishments she has had.


Light a candle already. Or better yet:
Http://www.HillaryClinton.com

kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
38. Good idea.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jul 2016

She can certainly save money on campaign ads and just run a static screen advising anyone who would like to know if Hillary is really dishonest to visit HillaryClinton.com. How can she lose ?

kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
42. Never been there but
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:40 PM
Jul 2016

not only won't you see it but you definitely won't understand it. Don't bother responding you haven't understood a thing I have said so far.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
15. She can't
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:13 AM
Jul 2016

Whether you agree with it or not the perception of her has had years to bake in. It is what it is.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
17. Thank you for your concern. Republicans spied on the Congressional e-mail servers.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jul 2016
Republicans need to deal with their criminal issue.

Spazito

(50,349 posts)
18. Hillary is doing fine, imo...
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:46 AM
Jul 2016

Her credibility is fine. Those in the real world are enjoying their summer and not focused on politics. I think the concern expressed by some is way overblown, it's best to chill, Hillary and her campaign are doing fine, imo.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
21. Sort of gives power to false accusers no?
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:53 AM
Jul 2016

The right knows they can get a lot of mileage out of repeating lies over and over and making it look like there is fire when there is none.

Somehow we can't let the right continue like that. Any person of ill will can start rumors about anyone. That's the place to attack.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
22. This is not a new "issue". They have been going after her for 25 years.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:54 AM
Jul 2016

Quite frankly, she is looking pretty damn good despite this "trust" RW meme. In fact, I think most people are kinda fatigued about anything antiHillary. When you hear it all the time, you tend to tune it out at some point. ...especially when it goes nowhere over and over.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
23. Different groups have different 'trust' issues with her.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:56 AM
Jul 2016

Conservatives who don't 'trust' her and are angry about her email server will never vote for her.

Liberals who don't 'trust' her to stand up to corporations could be convinced by her choosing Elizabeth Warren for VP.

Response to Onlooker (Original post)

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
31. If I'm sitting in a shelter taking mortar fire downrange,
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jul 2016

With a guy next to me who routinely forgets to clear his weapon during drills due to carelessness, I'm not going to trust him to not accidentally shoot me believing his weapon was clear. The gulf is much smaller than you think.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
25. Nice that you're so concerned.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 12:11 PM
Jul 2016

However, she doesn't need to "deal with" any crap the right wing is trying to push.

underpants

(182,823 posts)
26. Frankly I'd say that BLM could have more of an influence
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 12:16 PM
Jul 2016

Scare the hell out of white people and there's no telling what they will do.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
33. One thing I'd like is for the campaign....
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 03:04 PM
Jul 2016

... on their website, or on CorrectRecord.org, to succinctly state Hillary's responses to the 3 main complaints.

But first let me emphasize that I am a Hillary supporter since she was at Wellesley. I have complete faith in her integrity. I want to help represent her in the best way in this messy, complex, nuanced situation.

1 - There were more than one server (this is the one that caused David Brooks to say "She lied.&quot 2 - The claim that there was no classified info on the server. It could be that she didn't notice it was classified (no headings/subjects) or that she and State disagree that it was classified, or.. or.. Particularly confusing is the number issue 100+ is one number and 3, with two being mistakenly classified is another number. I've never been able to sort that out. 3 - Her lawyers reviewed all e-mails in addition to using search engines.

I've tried to sort out the info to come up with my own arguments when I happen to encounter fence sitters. (Fence sitters do exist. People can be persuaded. I've done it myself). See my post link below. But I would be very greatful to go to some reliable place on the internet where the campaign's/Hillary's explanation for the apparent discrepancies is stated as succinctly as possible.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512254176

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
35. Poll Finds Voters in Both Parties Unhappy With Their Candidates/NYT
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 03:20 PM
Jul 2016

Yep.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/15/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-poll.html

On the eve of the major party conventions, voters are grudgingly rallying around the nominees while expressing broad misgivings about the candidates, the campaign and the direction of the country, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.

More than a third of Republicans say they are disappointed or upset that Donald J. Trump, who crashed the party’s nominating process, will represent them in the fall campaign; an equal number say he does not represent the values the party should stand for.

Democrats are only marginally happier with Hillary Clinton as their party’s candidate. A quarter of Democratic voters say they are disappointed in her as the nominee; an additional seven percent say they are upset. More promisingly for her, three-quarters say Mrs. Clinton stands for the core values and principles of the Democratic Party.

The broad discontent is reflected in the head-to-head contest, which has Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton tied at 40 percent. Mr. Trump’s standing has held steady for weeks at around 40 percentage points, while Mrs. Clinton has polled in the mid-40s in most public surveys.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
39. Thanks to Comey, most think HRC lied about not sending classfied data - what to do about that?
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 05:30 PM
Jul 2016


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512253653


It's not totally up to Hillary. Rank and file have a roll to play, if they will take it on.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
41. Let It Go, Media: Hillary Clinton Does NOT Have a Trust and Honesty Problem
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 06:30 PM
Jul 2016
Hillary Clinton is trustworthy. Hillary Clinton is ethical. Hillary Clinton is honest. Hillary Clinton is a person of integrity. Those are the facts. The rest is lies and malicious spin.

“I’ve gotten to know Hillary really well, and she is a good, smart, tough person who cares deeply about this country” – President Barack Obama


If you follow politics you know there’s a gaping chasm between Hillary’s public image and her actual character. That chasm was purposely created by her opponents and is purposely exploited by them.

In the caricatured version of Hillary promulgated by her detractors in politics and media, Hillary is lying and corrupt. In actual reality, Hillary is a person of integrity who is respected, loved and trusted by those who know her best.

more:
http://bluenationreview.com/hillary-clinton-does-not-have-a-trust-and-honesty-problem/

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
44. Given that this so called trust issue has been
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 05:22 AM
Jul 2016

manufactured over a long period of time by the RW smear machine, there's nothing she can really do, by refuting with her own words. That the far left used the SAME RW smears against her, is on the far left for doing it in the first place.

Perhaps the far left should try and amend where they've consistently painted her as this, and other things, such as evil, by refuting it themselves. Undo the damage caused with the younger voters who didn't KNOW anything about her, by being honest that the reason they used the RW smears was to win the party selection, and not because these things were actually true. It won't happen, of course, as it was all politics to begin with, to win a political contest.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
47. I agree. Hillary needs to tackle the PR image painting her as untrustable.
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 06:44 AM
Jul 2016

It is not something she can sit back and ignore. Her campaign needs a media PR campaign that emphasizes her honesty and trustworthiness.

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