My God....THis Bullshit email crap?

[busterbrown]

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Its certainly reflected in the latest polls... I think the Dems.. including Hillary have done a lousy job of pushing back on this issue.. If they are waiting for the matter to run dry? It’s not gonna happen..

Watched Jake Tapper on Cnn this am.. basically stated that in fact 3 of her emails on her private server were classified, however, its not known if she knowingly lied when she did not mention these FUCKING 3 EMAILS before Congress... 3 out of 30 thousand? Fuck you Jake Tapper..and CNN

If such an important matter... let theses 3 Fucking Emails be released so we can actually.see how important they were to our national security...like “I am ordering a stand down order to all members of the military”
which in fact would be a Republican wet dream.

At any rate enough is enough. We need to vigorously attack back on this issue starting right the hell now..

[MohRokTah]

1. Your concern is duly noted. eom

[L. Coyote]

15. And the lies are also noted. ZERO classified emails, FCS!!

[radical noodle]

2. Probably more like...

Have a bunch of pizzas delivered for our meeting at <redacted>

[citood]

3. Last week I suggested some type of damage control

And was also labeled a concern troll

[BobbyDrake]

4. Meh, let them waste their ammo over the summer.

The truth gets out, even if it does so slowly.

[fleabiscuit]

5. Some food for thought;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107173923 nt

"...Clinton, as Secretary of State, had the authority conveyed by law to make her own determination about the classification of her emails...."

[MoonRiver]

6. They were not labeled CLASSIFIED at the top of the email as is protocol.

Instead, embedded in the body of the email was this: (c), with no explanation about what it meant. Much ado about nothing.

[annavictorious]

7. Two of the three were mistakenly marked "classified".

The third had (C) in the body of the text. State Department uses that (C) to mean confidential. Comey knew all this and withheld the information from Congress in his testimony.

Be sure to let all your friends know that somebody lied to Congress and will be prosecuted, but it wasn't Hillary.

[brush]

8. Rep. Cumming made him cough up that info though in the Congressional hearing

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The (c) was in the body of the 3 emails. The headers had no indication of being classified, which is the normal protocol.

And out of more than 30,000 emails, 3 is 1/100 of 1 effin percent.

How many of us, even Comey, can say our margin of error is 1/100th of 1%?

What a crock of you know what, and Comey knows it.

[busterbrown]

9. This point and all the above posts..

need to be put out there on a daily basis in some sort of form or manner.. To let this crap fester is very dangerous..

[Hortensis]

31. Really? Maybe not play their game?

The best response would be a black hole into which these attacks disappear.

There IS a media conspiracy to take Hillary down. The only way for voters to counter it is through their viewships and profit margins. Boycott specific authors or entire mediums that twist stories about her. Many at the NY Times, for instance, are heavily complicit. Every cable news network.

This is the Information Age, though. We can say no to this and still be just as or better informed.

[busterbrown]

32. Let m tell ya.. People who hate and feel disenfranchised?

are never gonna become self informed.. They hate so much..that they never will turn away from their Fox stations and hate radio.. There is a middle though that are just misinformed and are reasonable..This is the group which needs to be spoken to..

[Hortensis]

33. Agree, of course. Got an answer?

No doubt HRC's campaign is doing its best. Trump's is certainly doing more than we could ask of them in this regard. Maybe send them both more money to continue their honey and sharp stick routines?

[annavictorious]

34. I wish the media were pointing this out

Bob Somerby at the Daily Howler has a series of posts about the liberal pundits who are helping to peddle Comey's talking points instead of questioning his motives and judgement in holding a press conference that breaks with usual practices in order to excoriate Hillary Clinton for...breaking with usual practices.

[glennward]

43. Hillary's roving pundits just have to be a little smarter than the media pundits who interview them.

They need to learn how to frame and re-frame a question into the points they want to make. Everytime the trust issue comes up they need to be able to point to Comey's roll back of his original allegations, point to the mistaken classification of documents as admitted by the State Department officials, and speak about the confusing markings and the tattered classification system that needs serious overhauling and money from Congress to do it. The business of "should have known" can be addressed with Hillary's own words about relying on career professionals in the State Dept. who know much more about document classification than incoming political appointees who operate at the highest level.

[LAS14]

37. This is a question, not an argument.

Can you explain what happened about the 100+ e-mails that were supposedly "classified" but lacked the required heading and/or subject? I've never been able to sort out the relationship between those and the 3 that you describe here.

tia
las

[Demsrule86]

10. It came out in the hearing that none of the emails were marked classified.

Why keep bringing it up? She will be fine as it is over.

[busterbrown]

18. Apparently You were not listening..

At least not to Jake..

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/07/14/hillary-clinton-emails-congress-fact-check-jake-tapper-origwx-fy.cnn

[Demsrule86]

29. You are right I listened to Comey...hehe. nt

[Shrike47]

11. They are and will swiftboat her over the e-mails. The dems should go on the offensive.

[SFnomad]

12. If they released those 3 emails are you naive enough to believe it would all be over?

And that the Republicans wouldn't find something else to keep this "scandal" hanging on until November?

[busterbrown]

20. Seems to me..

The release would be a good start...Good to wipe their scummy faces in them..
“Naive” ...Hardly.. Whats Naive, is your suggestion we just sit back.. Do nothing!

[John Poet]

13. Forget the Emails. Attack TRUMP!

Hillary suffered momentary setbacks in the polls whenever the emails were big in the news, but they tended to be of short duration. The announcement that there will be no recommendation for indictments should be the last time, hopefully.

I don't expect this to be much of an issue in another month, unless Trump tries to keep it in circulation... His negatives are so much worse that I think Democratic energies should be spent hitting him where it hurts, rather than trying to defend/explain away the email quagmire, which is complicated.

Trump's negatives lend themselves much better to the short soundbite / bumpersticker mentality of so many voters, than trying to explain away the email issue. Unless it becomes a major thing again somehow, I'd just move on.

[busterbrown]

21. “ Big News”?

They will drive this nail through her all the way till election night is over..

[karynnj]

27. I agree that Trump's completely not acceptability needs to be emphasized, but this is not the end of

emails. It IS the end of any possibility that any charges will be filed against her and her aides.

However, three other things - no matter how invalid will generate more stories on the emails:

- There will be allegations that she stonewalled FOIA requests and - after she was gone - made it impossible for 2 years for the SD to comply. This is NOT a crime -- the most that could ever be done is to insist the government comply in getting the emails out. For HRC, this was completely done earlier this year, but the FBI will be giving the SD the emails they found that she did not give them and they have said they will put them out after they process them properly - as they did the others.

- As there will be new emails, they will hunt for anything embarrassing and on these, they have the addition possible claim that she tried to destroy them. As of now, the SD does not know how much the FBI actually has and when they will get it -- thus no time line announced yet. When a schedule is announced -- that will be a story -- as will each drop of emails.

- There are also the emails of her aides that the SD says will take a long time to process. The question is whether the judge will order the emails to be released in tranches as they did with HRC's. Any articles on that -- or on the potential security clearances of these aides (ignoring the President can override) will continue to be stories out there.

NOTE THAT I AM JUST WARNING THAT THERE WILL PROBABLY BE EMAIL STORIES - I agree with HRC that using a private server was a mistake.

[John Poet]

30. Thanks for the info.... Guess I went into denial like so many

around this place, or wishful thinking. Geez, it just goes on and on and on...

[L. Coyote]

14. OMG ... Why are you lying about the e-mails yourself then? ZERO emails were classified.

Here you go, repeating the falsehood as if it were in fact true. You are part of the problem.

There are no 3 emails, there are ZERO emails that were classified.

[busterbrown]

22. Have a listen.. Might do you well.

“Repeating the falsehoods” ? and I’m part of the problem..

Maybe you should be part of the solution rather than attacking a thread trying to expose bullshit.

[L. Coyote]

23. If you are "trying to expose bullshit" do it instead of giving bullshit exposure. Delete your OP.

Start over and get the facts right instead of pulling a james Comey here. We saw that bullshit, we called it bullshit, you should know that, and I shouldn't have to play wacka-a-mole endlessly refuting the same lie.

[busterbrown]

25. Oh.. My apologies for your inconvenience ..

I hope that all the other posters on this thread who are ENGAGED in this discussion also send their regrets to you..

[L. Coyote]

28. Would it inconvenience you to at least edit the OP and point out the lie = zero emails classified

State Dept confirms FBI got it wrong, none of Hillary Clinton’s emails were classified

***** LIVE Blog = FBI Director Comey on the FBI’s investigation - HEARING *****

House OversightDems = Criminal Referral Unwarranted After New Facts

House OversightDems Verified account @OversightDems

BREAKING: @RepCummings 2 @JasonintheHouse: Criminal Referral Unwarranted After New Facts @ #FBIDirectorComey Hearing
http://democrats.oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/cummings-to-chaffetz-criminal-referral-unwarranted-after-learning-

Cummings to Chaffetz: Criminal Referral “Unwarranted” ....
Jul 7, 2016
Press Release
Cummings to Chaffetz:
Criminal Referral “Unwarranted” After Learning New Facts at Today’s Hearing With FBI Director

Washington, DC (July 7, 2016)—Today, Rep. Elijah E. Cummings, Ranking Member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, sent a letter to Chairman Jason Chaffetz regarding his statements at today’s hearing that he is considering sending a referral to the FBI to investigate whether former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton lied when she testified before Congress that she did not send or receive emails marked classified.
“When you made these statements regarding the classification markings at the beginning of the hearing, we had not yet heard key details about this issue from Director Comey,” Cummings wrote. “As the hearing pressed on, however, we learned some significant new facts.”

On Tuesday, Director Comey stated: “Only a very small number of the emails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information.”

During today’s hearing, Director Comey testified that he was referring to only three emails out of more than 30,000; that the classification markings on these three documents were not proper and did not comply with federal guidelines or manuals; that he believed it would be a “reasonable inference” for Secretary Clinton to have “immediately” concluded these documents were not classified; and that he was not informed that the State Department reported yesterday that these emails were not in fact classified and included stray classification markings because of “human error.”
“I understand that there was some confusion about this issue going into the hearing, but the facts that were established helped clarify this issue, and for that reason today’s hearing served a valuable purpose,” Cummings wrote. “Based on this testimony, it appears that proceeding with a criminal referral in light of these new facts would be unwarranted.”

[busterbrown]

39. The fact that I did not know about the part

concerning the placement of the 3 emails is certainly even more evident how bad a job the Dems are doing in pushing back on this issue and the fact that I (staunch Hillary supporter) didn’t pick this particular piece up which is complicated, is further evidence that I needed to put it out there.

even your 3 political anti Repub. graphics.. Will never change the minds of those who are not following the story closely.. why the heck would someone who does not follow this kind of story closely be able to understand this rather complicated situation.. We must repeat their lies over and over again.. You know the story about repeated lies.. They have strong legs.. As stated in the factcheck piece below the issue is “rather complicated”..

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/revisiting-clinton-and-classified-information/

So the answer is no I will not remove my thread..

[Bill USA]

26. bb: the 3 emails were described by Comey as "bearing marks indicating the presence

...of classified info"

..... It turns out, what Comey meant by that was the presence of a letter "c" in the text of the emails indicating some item which whoever put the 'c' in there thought might be Classified info.

But when Rep Cartwright asked him about the manual on sending classified info saying you MUST have a header indicating the document contains classified info to be considered "classified".... and he asked Comey did any of the three emails you have referred to have such a header on them? Comey said: "No"

So, whenever Comey or Republicans say "Hillary sent Classified info" --- they are lying!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512253653

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/07/07/hearing-backfires-gop-fbi-director-clinton-email-judged-classified.html


[font size="3"] But guess what as far as I know NOT ONE M$M OUTLET has reported this!!!

This is the critical fact that almost nobody, thanks to M$M knows![/font]

[jcgoldie]

16. ThAt would be 3 out of 30,000+ according to comey nt

[L. Coyote]

24. Which, it turns out was a lie to Congress, zero of 30K, has been fully covered ...

Thanks to the Comey hearing, that fact was given a national platform live, complete with the LIVE blog here on DU.

Based on Comey's lie, they wanted to have a hearing on Hillary lying. Coordinated Republican political abuse of power caught red-handed. But they keep repeating the lie.

***** LIVE Blog = FBI Director Comey on the FBI’s investigation - HEARING *****

I guess a Republican lying to a Republican Congress makes it true, instead of a felony.

[StevieM]

17. I am pretty worried about this too. The GOP have sold their lie about her email system.

People don't understand that it wasn't illegal to use a private server at the time she was Secretary of State.

And Comey did incredible damage with his misleading and unethical press conference.

This is exactly how Republicans win elections. It is evil...and it often works.

[zappaman]

19. oh my!

This is concerning!

[Her Sister]

35. Zero Classified.

eom.

[Demsrule86]

36. Yeah Bullshit for sure

because Comey admitted there were no emails marked classified at his testimony. Didn't you watch it or Read about it? I have no doubt the emails are available...thanks for your concern for sure.

[busterbrown]

38. Thanks as well..

I tried to follow this email story bullshit.. however I can never follow through completely because I cant stand watching most coverage of issues.. I get too freaking mad, upset, pissed off etc..

after watching 4 minutes of Comey soundbites only after his testimony.. I was thoroughly pissed off and simply assumed that the 3 Cs at the beginning of each individual Clinton emails were the end of it...3 out of 30,000! Jesus Christ!, In my mind this would be the end of it... I didn’t realize that the real test was where the Cs were placed on the page.. I’m now learning how it was all bullshit, not just minor bullshit as I assumed..

O.K. I get too pissed off at these Rep bullshit Committees so I pick up sound bites after its over.In this case
I never heard the bites concerning placement questions of where the Cs were placed on the page..

obviously it is a complicated matter in which Republicans are taking advantage of still..I fully now realize that even the 3 emails was bullshit..

But the point of my thread was to complain how the campaign is not fighting and pushing back on the Republican lies hard or fast enough.. To be called out ( not by you ) for simply stating the facts as I understood them in Jake Tapper’s fact check, is simply someone trying to prove how smart/tough they are.playing to their own ego.

[Demsrule86]

45. You are welcome...got to take the news in small doses.

We have a ways to go.

[L. Coyote]

40. You should remove this thread instead of spreading Repubilcan lies. ZERO classified emails.

Claiming ignorance is no excuse for doing their dirty work for them.

[busterbrown]

41. Have a great life..

Trying to impose what you think and how others should act..is a sign of a huge ego..

the fact that I stated in the op.. That “Jake Taper should go fuck himself” as well as CNN, and that the 3 emails should be released so we can call them on their lies is good enough for me..

Its obvious to most around here that I got it right.. So as I stated, go have a great life.!!

[L. Coyote]

42. The OP gives exposure to a lie and you now know it.

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You are hiding behind someone else's lies and refusing to correct the lies in your OP. Why not be honest and up front by telling the truth instead of leading people to believe the Republican lie?

[busterbrown]

44. I think if one read the O.P.

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They would know how i feel.. If you are ignorant enough to feel my Op was “leading people to believe the Republican lie"

Then go seek help from a professional... or better yet from a bottle..

Oh and one more thing.. A “lie” has to be intentional.. correct?.. So you are actually stating that I intentionally lied in this forum..correct again? So therefore I must be promoting candidacy of Donald... WOW!

[BlueStateLib]

46. There is a reason republicans love Jake Tapper