2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumEven with new Quinnipiac polls factored in, Hillary Clinton still leads Trump in every swing state
New Quinnipiac poll numbers were released today for several swing states which paint a far worse picture for Hillary Clinton than other current polling outlets have, which shouldnt come as a surprise to anyone, because Hillary has always done worse in Quinnipiac polls than in other polls. Yet cable news is suddenly painting it as if the sky were falling, as if these are the only polls that count, as if Hillary is suddenly in real danger of losing the election to Donald Trump. But heres the kicker: even when you plug todays new polls into the average of the current polls in each state, Hillary is still leading in every swing state.
Interestingly, the Quinnipiac numbers wouldnt necessarily be bad news for Hillary Clinton even if they did hold water. What they claim, essentially, is that Florida and Ohio and Pennsylvania are toss ups. But when you look at the number of other swing states where she has large leads, you see that if those hold, the three states I just mentioned wont be much of a factor one way or the other. So even if these numbers were accurate, shed still win the election. But theyre not accurate.
Quinnipiac has long been wrong about this election in a consistent manner, typically placing Hillary about five points below the consensus of other polls. On the other side of the fence, Reuters is just as consistently wrong in favor of Hillary; you have to subtract probably five points from her Reuters numbers for it be accurate. Quinnipiac says Hillary is up by just two points nationally. Reuters says Hillary is up by a whopping thirteen points nationally. Theyre both outliers, without much to back them up. Most other outlets currently have her lead as being in the five to eight point range, which is probably where it truly is. And its not just these two outlets. Monmouth and Loras are sixteen points apart from each other in their latest Iowa polling; its unlikely that either one of them is remotely correct. Every other Iowa poll is somewhere in between the two. The only way to get anything meaningful out of state level polling is to take the average of all current major polls in that state.
And even when the averages are recalculated to include todays Quinnipiac numbers, the averages show that Hillary Clinton is still leading in every swing state in the nation. Maybe this will become a tightly competitive election her the next four months, but its not one at the moment.
So why does cable news insist on peddling these new numbers from Quinnipiac that it knows are likely-inaccurate outliers, as if they were not only accurate but also the only poll numbers in existence in these states? Simple: theyve spent the past week insisting that Hillary would somehow be hurt by her email exoneration, because that made for a more ratings-friendly story than simply admitting the email thing is over. Now they have to back up their prediction, so theyre reporting Hillarys worst poll numbers. In fact I predicted last week that they would do this. Any time I think Im being overly cynical about the motivations of TV news outlets, they always find a way to confirm my cynicism. And its nothing necessarily personal. If Trump ends up making a running mate pick that cable news has spent all week predicting would hurt him, theyll follow it up by only reporting Trumps worst poll numbers, so they can look like they called it right. Unless theyre willing to report new polls within the context of the averages, theyre lying to you by omission. And right now the averages say that even with Quinnipiac factored in, Hillary is still leading every swing state. Just look at the averages.
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rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)Polls aren't right or wrong, they just make different assumptions or use different methodologies.
See Nate Silver's column yesterday. It is foolish to live and die by any one poll and it's very early.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)She's ahead, but one could say that within a 5% margin of error her numbers haven't moved in a month and a half.
It's hard to say why exactly that has happened, but in the time-frame of April to June over which she secured the nomination her national polling numbers fell slightly and have since pretty much remained steady.
During that month or so the campaign has continued to mostly depend upon the obvious contrast with the unprepared incompetent offered by the republicans. The argument used against him rests mostly on visions of political apocalypse of a Trump victory. I wonder if that grimness that message depends upon isn't stifling excitement and preventing the development of hopeful expectations.
Whatever the cause for the becalmed polling in our candidates numbers, the outlook for increasing those poll numbers in the short term is now on the convention.
It'll be interesting to see the numbers of viewers drawn to convention coverage and the size of the post-convention bump.