2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumVP choices really do not make a difference, I was hoping she would pick
someone who could run in 8 years. The 3 names listed for VP have no chance IMO.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)chillfactor
(7,576 posts)we need to bolster some of the younger Democrats..and many good ones out there....who will around for a few years....that is why I was hoping she would choose Castro.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)galvanized the "selfie" generation more than the promise of change and our 74/almost 75-year-old candidate have, though?
Castro's youth, 41, looking like 21-31 and without whatever he's going to accomplish in the next decade on his resume, would be a negative the right wing would pounce on.
Obama was later 40s and won the primary by running against someone carrying the terrible handicap of being the first woman headed for the oval office. He looked a youthful, confident middle age without looking kiddish, though, and did get the youth vote. Sanders' success begs the question, though, of whether the bigger factor was his relatively youthful appearance or an appeal to the youthful optimism that, yes, we can be the healthy and prosperous nation of open, liberal principles the Republicans insist is impossible?
Btw, I disagree that the VP choice will not make a difference. Sometimes no, but this election, yes. We simply cannot afford to lose this one.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)No Kaine sorry.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)The youth aren't going to fall for a superficial pick, like you seem to be suggesting. In fact, a superficial pick will antagonize the youth.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)there are some that won't vote for Hillary ever. EW won't change that.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)But, these other choices on Hillary's short lists? Nope.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)Those same people want to rely on neoconservative voters. It's a loser tactic, but that's what they want.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Congressman Keith Ellison? Plenty progressive enough for Sanders folk to take a second look, and he's a Muslim to boot.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Remember that President Obama spent his entire Presidency defending against the "smear" that he is a Muslim. Maybe one day after we have some peace in the Middle East.
Anyway, picking a candidate just because they look "youthful" is so superficial that younger voters will be antagonized by the choice, rather than gravitate to it.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)Is it really that hard? So if she chooses Bill Nelson from FL you are going to vote Trump? Because you love Chrispie Chreme?
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)The VP means a great deal to me period. I care sorry that bothers u!
Darb
(2,807 posts)That you won't answer, apparently. At least not yet.
andym
(5,444 posts)There are obvious choices. But having someone to deflect criticism about her supposed Wall Street connections, which have received a lot of airplay, would be of great utility in a year when so many are worried about the influence of special interests.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)brooklynite
(94,598 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,202 posts)make poor candidates. Humprey, Mondale, Gore come to mind.
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)That is not remotely old. In eight years, he'll still be younger than Hillary and Trump are NOW.
Kaine wasn't my first choice but I like him the best out of everyone who still has a chance.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,202 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Martin O'Malley or Cory Booker.
Darb
(2,807 posts)Bill Nelson, senator from Florida.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,202 posts)Unfortunately, at 73, I think he's too old to be considered a strong VP. He's also a moderate Democrat. I would love for her to choose someone more progressive.
Darb
(2,807 posts)his preferred branch the legislative, having been a page (paige?) in the early seventies. He believes that the Executive needs to work constantly and carefully with the Congress and believes that was the failing of Obama, to not work better with Congress. He acknowledges the race factor, which made working with Congress impossible for Obama, but still thinks he could have done better. But that is his reasoning for Nelson, he is a powerful influence in the Congress.
I didn't know he was that old.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)Hillary would be wise to choose a left-leaning person who can create some excitement and interest in the campaign. If we have a "midterm" sized turnout in November, Trump wins.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)Seems pretty good to me.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Take him above the radar and picking him could cost the Democrats all of the work that we've done towards moving Virginia into a reliably Democratic voting state for the first time since before Bill Clinton.
The voters aren't particularly enamored with Kaine, but the big business donors are.
Darb
(2,807 posts)If the point that you are making is that he could cost us in some more progressive areas (I'd like to know where) then maybe those votes of which you speak but do not name might come into play. However, Kaine has won in Virginia a number of times on the commonwealth level, how could he hurt there?
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Maybe the best thing Tim Kaine can do for Hillary Clinton is stay in the U.S. Senate.
Its no secret that Kaine is a vice presidential prospect. Its not the first time. In 2008, when he was Virginias governor, Kaine made Barack Obamas short list but lost out to Joe Biden, because the then-Delaware senator brought gray hair and a global view to a Democratic ticket that lacked both.
But assume a Clinton-Kaine ticket and assume that it wins: Kaine would resign his seat. McAuliffe would appoint an interim senator who would have defend the seat in 2018, but possibly in 2017 depending on the timing of the vacancy.
http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/jeff-schapiro/article_f0be0189-3b38-582a-908d-6719be1d41b9.html
Other than tactical reasons, many Virginians' are still angry at Kaine for the way he implemented his cigarette smoking ban and his vote to fast track the TPP will also cost him votes with those same types of voters plus every one of Sanders's voters.
Darb
(2,807 posts)That is valid. Cigarette and Sanders voters I am not so sure about, they are not the same people and I have higher regard for Sanders voters than to sit tight and let T Rump win, and even less likely to vote T Rump. The cigarette voters are probably mouth breathers anyway.
TPP? Maybe.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)That's nonsense.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)Zorro
(15,740 posts)There will be howls of anger with whoever she picks.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)I hope she picks someone to the left of her & someone young. I would love if she chose Martin O'Malley, but I know he's not being considered.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)hamsterjill
(15,222 posts)The Vice President presides over the Senate, and with the possibility of at least 2 appointments to be made by the next POTUS, I don't want someone who is "pro-life" in that role when confirmation hearings are held.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)And not a deciding factor for me. HRC is my choice!
w4rma
(31,700 posts)MSMITH33156
(879 posts)"right" answer here. She should just pick whoever she would feel comfortable with running the country if something happened to her and move on.