So when Bernie endorses Hillary...

[DanTex]

are Bernie or Bust lowlifes like HA Goodman going to turn on him? Are HA&co going to advocate voting for a guy who doesn't want their vote anymore? Or are we going to witness the mother of all under-the-bus throwings?

[geek tragedy]

1. civil war I would guess--Bernie loyalists vs the pure Hillary Haterz

glad it won't be happening here

[puffy socks]

2. Im betting yes

[DanTex]

3. Yeah, me too. Watch out for the youtube videos and reddit posts about how much

of a traitor Bernie is.

[BobbyDrake]

4. I don't expect to be impressed by whatever they decide to do. Goodman is discredited, as are his

acolytes Abramson and Bragman. They should probably start thinking about the future of their careers and whether or not their reputations are worth throwing away in pursuit of this particular obsession.

[DanTex]

8. I think Abramson is a professor of creative writing. So his career should be OK.

He can even put "purely fictional account of the 2016 primaries" on his resume.

[BobbyDrake]

9. Hahaha, excellent point. nt

[DLCWIdem]

45. yea , I looked him up when he wrote an article for Huffington Post

About the primaries in Washington , Hawaii and Alaska. He claimed that because Bernie won those diverse states he had a diverse coalition. I believe I pointed out you shouldn't send a creative writing prof to write an article on stats.

[mcar]

5. I hope they support his endorsement

[joshcryer]

6. BOBers are not Sanders supporters.

They're Sanders clingers.

[democrattotheend]

54. I'm pretty sure some of them are Republican trolls

Not all, but many of them, especially the ones posting on Facebook, are probably Republican trolls who are trying to stir up shit.

My grandparents were as liberal as they come - like Bernie, they considered themselves socialists even though they voted for Democrats. If they were still alive, they would have been knocking on every door with me for Bernie. They strongly distrusted Hillary and saw her as an opportunist. But I'm pretty sure that if they were still alive, they would have held their nose and voted for her. So I can't imagine too many genuine progressives will withhold their votes, especially if they live in swing states.

[Cali_Democrat]

7. They will turn on him

No doubt.

[Chasstev365]

10. Love your unity outreach Dan Tex!

He's going to endorse her and almost all Bernie supporters will vote for Hillary in November.

Do you enjoy stirring up shit for kicks?

[DanTex]

11. You have some problem with me going after HA Goodman?

HA brought this on himself by being the biggest jackass of the entire primary season. Now he's actively making the case for Trump. So, yeah, I'm going to make fun of him and enjoy watching him and his ilk's heads exploding. As I would for anyone else who is trying to make Trump our next president.

[rbrnmw]

12. It will be a meltdown of epic proportions

on Jackass Laughingstock

[nolawarlock]

46. I thrill at the thought of that day.

And that's where to go when you want to know that his most vocal supporters do not support Democrats. Most of the ones that aren't already Indie or Green are talking about leaving the party so clearly they're not committed to its success.

[forjusticethunders]

14. I want to believe Bernie's hemming and hawwing

was to avoid himself being thrown under the bus they've prepared for him the entire season.

Yes, there's been a bus set up since even before he actually started running to throw Bernie under the moment he endorses Hillary.

[NCTraveler]

16. The HA "Sane" Club needs to be ignored.

"Sane" truly said HA was on her show by popular demand.

[Chathamization]

17. I'm wondering the people posting "Who?" in every thread about Sanders will finally stop.

Not really wondering whether the people who said he'd never endorse are going to admit they were wrong - I already know the answer to that. Same with the people who acted like BoB'ers were a big group instead of this year's PUMAs.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

18. That may be part of the reason why he doesn't endorse her.

[MoonRiver]

19. I just read it's going to be next Tuesday!

Will be fun to watch the reactions.

[Lord Magus]

20. They'll have their conspiracy theories ready for that.

Like claiming that Hillary would've killed his family if he didn't endorse. They really believe that kind of bullshit.

[John Poet]

21. And will you start defending Bernie then?

[DanTex]

22. Hell yes I will! Always liked him, welcome on board Bernie!

He will be a huge asset.

[cosmicone]

23. The people supporting Bernie

only to hurt the democrats in general and Hillary in particular will soon be without clothes.

[Ken Burch]

30. Then again, that group represents hardly any Sanders supporters at all.

At some point, you're going to have to accept that Bernie's campaign was about real issues and that the prohibitive majority of his supporters are people of good will and honorable intent.

[nolawarlock]

47. Really?

I take it you haven't seen Jacked Up Roidicals yet because it sure sounds like what cosmicone was talking about.

[840high]

24. The world will end. Now stop it Dan.

[srobert]

25. I Don't Appreciate being Called a Lowlife ... But to Answer Your Question

I have respect for Bernie Sanders. I won't be turning on him or throwing him under a bus. Bernie thinks it will be better if Hillary Clinton becomes President than it would be for Donald Trump to become President. I suspect that is true. But I do not agree with everything Bernie Sanders says. I will not be voting in accordance with the endorsement. It would probably be better if Hillary wins without my vote.

[nolawarlock]

48. It is against the rules to say you aren't going to vote for the candidate.

[JaneyVee]

26. See: Liz Warren.

Under the bus.

[SheenaR]

42. Are you referring to BoB-ers

or all Sanders supporters. Because that's a mighty wide brush you are painting with if so.

[slipslidingaway]

27. Please define the lowlifes people of which you speak, when Sanders endorses Clinton not all will

follow, that is a given.

What exactly does that mean, uneducated, not having financial means, please explain your definition of a "low life,"

Does that mean a person who blantantly lies to others? Liars can be poor or rich, who are you describing as a low life and does one's net worth exconerate them?

[DanTex]

34. HA Goodman is neither poor nor uneducated. He does blatantly lie to others though.

And Susan Sarandon is definitely not poor. In fact, I can't think of a single Bernie or Buster who has much to lose from a Trump presidency. That is a big part of what makes them lowlifes. They want other people to suffer for their own crusade.

[srobert]

40. What Do You have to Lose from Continuation of the Third Way?

I'm still in the Bernie or Bust category. Perhaps HRC will talk me out of it between now and November. You say we have nothing to lose from a Trump presidency. I don't want Trump to be President, but I admit that I think I could survive it. It's not because I want others to suffer that I take this position. It's because I think it's necessary to prevent suffering.
Here's where I'm coming from. After I left high school I washed dishes, flipped burgers, served french fries, cleaned toilets, trimmed trees, dug holes, cleaned gas pumps, raised funds for charity and worked in a department store, all for minimum wage or less. This went on for years after I left high school. The entire time my personal living hell was that I didn't know whether I would EVER find a job that paid a liveable wage. And it was all compounded by the guilt of living at home with my Dad whom, I knew, couldn't really afford it.
In the next stage, I found a union job. It did pay a livable wage (even when I was just an apprentice). I even qualified for a pension and heath care benefits. And because I had good union wages, I was able to do another thing, pay my way through college. I could only go part time, so by the time I got a degree I was in my closing in on 40. But that carried me to the 3rd and current stage.
I'm now a licensed professional with a very good salary. Yes, I can survive a Trump Presidency. But I don't know how someone will survive having their working class union job outsourced to Mexico or China.
That second rung on my three rung ladder is being cut out for anyone who needs it today. We have gone from a 3rd of all American workers having union representation to less than a 10th in a few decades. I would have expected that from Republicans. They have always thought it bad for the working class to acquire any leverage or power. But for the last few decades, Democrats have been helping them. It was a Democratic President who signed NAFTA into law, and advocated expanded trade with China. The current Democratic President seems to have forgotten that he promised to re-negotiate NAFTA, and now even wants to help his Republican allies rush through an even worse trade agreement, the TPP, which has been described as NAFTA on steroids.
When I was a kid, the toys under our Christmas tree were probably put together by someone earning union wages. Now, your kids' toys, and the clothes on their backs, were probably assembled in a sweatshop somewhere in the third world by someone with very poor wages, working conditions, and no rights whatsoever.
Democrats can't just favor gay marriage, abortion, and the legalization of marijuana, and then claim that taking those positions makes them progressive. They're going to have to do better. They're going to have to return to their working class roots and resurrect New Deal style thinking on the economic front. I might vote for Mrs. Clinton, if (and only if) she unambiguously convinces me that she is abandoning the 3rd way for good. For Democrats to win my vote in November, they're going to have to start sounding a little more like FDR.

[DanTex]

41. If you actually care about unions, the choice between Hillary and Trump is very clear.

The same is true if you actually care about minimum wage. Or if you care about new deal programs like SS. Or healthcare. Or anything else, really.

What is the theory here? That electing Trump will somehow destroy the "third way" (which is an obscure think tank that nobody cares about)? Are you sure about that? So sure that you are willing to risk all the horrible things Trump will do, including keeping the court in GOP hands for a generation, which effectively blocks any "non-third-way" programs that you might be fantasizing about.

That's a pipe dream. In reality, the next president will be Trump or Hillary, and one is much better than the other. In reality, the people blocking progress aren't the "third way", it's the GOP in congress and in the supreme court, without whom most of the Hillary or Bernie platforms would already be law.

[nolawarlock]

49. And again ...

"Do not state that you are not going to vote, or that you will write-in a candidate that is not on the ballot, or that you intend to vote for any candidate other than the official Democratic nominee in any general election where a Democrat is on the ballot."

- courtesy of the T.O.S.

I'm sure people will alert this post. I know I did.

[MyNameGoesHere]

57. They say cock roaches might survive a nuclear war.

Now I have my doubts, but I really don't want to test that theory. But hey I guess some folks just think they are more resilient than others.

[GulfCoast66]

28. Already are

Had to go to the jackass site. The delusion there draws me like the impulse to watch a train wreck.

Just the rumors about an endorsement alone have some of them throwing him under the bus. And turning on each other.

Some even vowing to vote for trump.

Laughable man, if not so sad.

[slipslidingaway]

31. What I find laughable is those who are constantly willing to raise a flag for their team

while the person in charge of the team continues to change stories and lies to the team members, yet the team members continue on and do not realize they have been duped.

Laughable yes, I agree!

[Eric J in MN]

33. Which website? NT

NT

[GulfCoast66]

35. I had rather not type it here

Although many have. And it may be against TOS. I will mail it to you. You will be shocked. Especially when you realize many of the posters used to be here.

But neither side is immune to hatred.

[nolawarlock]

52. Shockingly, it's not apparently against the T.O.S. ...

... since I see it posted here quite frequently. It's appalling. What's next? Stormfront?

[nolawarlock]

50. Some?

It's starting to look like a significant portion. One person over there keeps reminding everyone that she'll crawl through glass to vote for Trump. Others are even trying to defend all the ways that Trump is more progressive. Some progressive site that is.

[Ken Burch]

29. Don't do this. Just don't.

A lot of us are working hard to swing Sanders voters over to HRC.

Just accept that the war is over already.

[slipslidingaway]

32. They do not care and cannot be swayed ...

if you are struggling because of an illness and want a more equitable HC system, well we are just below others.

If you are born with a darker skin tone or a religion that is not prevalent in our nation you are suspect and below others.

In the "greastest" nation we have two candidates, one cannot put together two words to form a coherent thought and another who believes their lack of judgement can be erased by saying 'it was a mistake.'

[nolawarlock]

53. So, how does your critique help to make Hillary a better candidate?

[bklyncowgirl]

36. Will avid Clinton supporters stop bashing Bernie and his supporters? That's what I want to know.

Most Sanders supporters are smart enough to know that he had said all along that he would back the Democratic nominee and that he is a man of his word. In addition he is a politician and a politician's gotta do what a politcian's gotta do. I for one am happy that he has held out long enough to wrangle some platform concessions. Yeah there are a few Sanders groupies who will trash him. The majority will accept it.

The question is whether Sanders supporters will come over to Clinton. Here's where you guys can help. Stop bashing Bernie. Stop insinuating that everyone who has reservations about Hillary Clinton are automatically trolls or members of the mentally challenged community. In short start acting like Democrats who want to win and stop acting like Donkeys' posteriors. Stop acting like Hillary is a sure thing because I assure you, she is not. Lots of people are furious with both parties and see Trump as an outlet for their anger.

I haven't voted third party since the 1980s when I cast a vote for Barry Commoner. I've swallowed hard and supported everyone the Democrats have put up ever since. I don't want Donald Trump as president any more than you guys do but every time I read posts denigrating the guy I supported in the primaries a write in vote for Sanders or a vote Jill Stein starts looking better and better.

[DanTex]

37. I'm not bashing Bernie, I'm bashing HA Goodman. And Susan Sarandon. And the rest.

Why am I bashing them? Because they are Trump supporters.

I don't think Hillary is a sure thing. That's exactly why I have such a problem with Trump operatives like HA Goodman, Susan Sarandon, and Jill Stein trying to siphon votes away from Hillary.

[bklyncowgirl]

38. I wish I could say the same about everyone here.

Please, those of you who are genuinely trying to bridge the gap, i wasn't talking about you but there are people here who the minute something positive is posted about Sanders, or someone says that they have reservations about Hillary immediately go into attack mode. There are people like me here who will most likely end up voting for Clinton but are less than enthusiastic. We're on the outside looking in and maybe that's a good thing. Everyone can use a reality check from time to time.

[morningfog]

39. Who cares? The vast majority of Bernie supporters have already turned to Hillary.

The vast majority of the few remaining will move with Bernie.

You concern is for an tiny sliver of those who voted in the primary. Infinitesimally small.

[democrattotheend]

43. I certainly won't. But I was never Bernie or bust

I am actually glad to see him come around.

[cherokeeprogressive]

44. I don't even know who the fuck HA Goodman IS. I don't eat, sleep, and breathe politics like some do.

Not that I give a fuck who he is...

And I don't cast my votes based on who endorses who. It's a big club, and I ain't in it, so what the fuck do I care whose endorsement a politician who's been in politics nearly forty years gets?

If I had to cast my primary vote again, even knowing what the outcome would be, I'd STILL vote for Bernie Sanders.

Tell you what Boss; you keep on insulting everyone who didn't support Hillary from Day One. It validates what little we already know about you.

[Lyric]

51. There are two kinds of Sanders supporters, in my observation.

There are the ones who supported him because they liked HIM. They liked his ideas, his policies, and his personality. But they were able to accept that their viewpoint was not the majority, and are now supporting our nominee. I believe that those people will not think any less of him for endorsing Secretary Clinton, because they are already supporting her themselves. They might be disappointed, but they are also Democrats, and will behave as such.

Then there are the ones who would have rabidly supported WHICHEVER candidate had the best chance of beating Clinton in the primary. They think the Democratic party is as corrupt and useless as the Republican party, and they are ideologically rigid and uninterested in compromise--EVER. Their primary motivation was not to see Sanders elected--it was to see Clinton beaten, because they hate her as much as the Teabaggers do--perhaps more. If Warren or O'Malley had been the best chance to beat Clinton, they'd have been THEIR supporters. Because they care less about electing Bernie than about NOT electing Clinton, they will be the ones to throw him under the bus if anyone does.

Thankfully, that second category is extremely small, and most of THAT type here on DU have already left for...other sites. I believe that the DU'ers who remain are good Democrats who might still be smarting from their primary loss, but who will nevertheless come around in the end. They do not passionately "hate" Clinton, and they do not hate the Democratic party. They just preferred someone else. So no, I do not think we will see much spiteful criticism of Sanders here for endorsing Clinton. Those sad, toxic people are already long-gone, and good riddance.

[whatthehey]

55. Just to be different on this thread, I'll try for an actual answer

What will the small and decreasing number of neverClintons on the left who became passionate advocates for Sanders do when/if he endorses her?

Precedent and analysis suggests there will be:

a) a noticeable uptick in Green/DSA/SPUSA/CPUSA support which will slowly diminish back to not much above (but a bit above) their usual rounding error level of support by November as inflamed passions fade and GE realities become clear

b) A noticeable uptick in support for/commitment to Clinton which may initially be a bit smaller than a) but will prove to be more resilient and increase towards Nov

c) A small, and given his yoyo polling questionably noticeable at best, uptick in support for Trump for those rarities with full-blown cases of HDS/CDS, which will be smaller than a) or b) but depressingly resilient

[treestar]

56. The biggest Bus ever is being built

It will roll over Bernie for his treachery.