2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton's Facebook page shared a post from the Sanders campaign Facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/posts/1182372725152588I'd say that is probably a good indicator that an endorsement is imminent. This was shared an hour ago and the talk about a joint appearance was circulated a few hours before that, so the timing is very telling.
bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)We need unity. We have to go all out to beat Trump. Some act like he is a joke and can't win. But I am not so sure. Fear sells...we need to politically bury Trump under a pile of truth...he is a bigoted, war-mongering incompetent who would destroy our country...for thirty years or more between dangerous policies and the courts.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)- The country is so partisan now that any major party nominee has a floor of 40% in the general presidential election.
- Trump has charisma.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)You can't be serious,he's an unhinged buffoon.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...weren't featured in NY tabloids in the 1990s, and as reality TV stars from 2004-2015.
With regard to his being "unhinged" that could also be described as unpredictability which is part of his charisma.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
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bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Thank god we are the more reliable voters
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...Jeb Bush being the expected nominee, Jeb Bush's Super PAC having raised over $100 million, and Trump having a mixed record on taking conservative positions.
There must be a significant number of men who think Trump has charisma.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)To some assholes who are sick of having to hide their assholery. I don't know if that adds up to charisma. He's such a dork to boot.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)Trump has loyal backers (first time bigots have a candidate who gets them, one issue voters (pro-gun or anti-choice) some disaffected American workers in all fairness). I still believe given demographics we have a good chance to win, but let's not get all 'we have got this prematurely".
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)by large, usually majority, blocs of right-wing voters. The questions, of course, are how many will vote for him, Hillary, neither and how many will stay home on November 8 altogether.
You're right, though. Never underestimate the fear and disgust most conservatives have been trained to feel when they think of what Democrats will finish doing to the country. Obama has almost destroyed it, driving many conservatives so crazy that they've run into Trump's arms in fear (who can blame them?), and it just needs a little push from the left to collapse entirely.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)the main differences were...
1.) Hillary didn't want the rich to get the same break as regular folks.
2.) Hillary didn't want to pay for college by taxing public employee and union negotiated retirements.
3.) Hillary wanted to hold states accountable so they didn't milk the federal budget.
4.) Hillary wanted to protect social justice (like HBCUs and tuition equity and admission of undocumented)
Bernie simply wanted "free tuition" paid for by an FTT - something that educator unions wholeheartedly rejected.
Paying for college by removing tax loopholes of the rich, requiring means testing, and holding state governments feet to the fire are all in Hillary's original plan.
I think that everyone knows, just like Medicaid, some states will not go along with a federal plan to provide tuition relief for higher education no matter how good the deal is for their students.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)obstructions and leveling the field. Not starting on an unlevel playing field.
riversedge
(70,223 posts)Medicaid!!
Sancho
(9,070 posts)but states set tuition rates. If you give them grants, they just take the money and run.
Also, FTTs tax the large state retirement funds (invested on Wall Street), so the loss will be paid for by state employees and union negotiated retirement benefits.
Finally, none of the "free tuition" helps the undocumented (millions of people) brought to the US as children, because some states (like Vermont) don't have admissions and tuition equity for non-citizens. Also, families of the undocumented can't apply for the "free tuition" because they don't have SS#s, tax records, etc.
HBCUs are often PRIVATE, but represent many of the best opportunities for minorities.
In short, tuition should come from CLOSING TAX LOOPHOLES. Tuition should be means tested.
Children raised in the US should have an automatic path to citizenship and equal opportunity to attend college!
Money to pay for college should be earned (by working through school) and delivered to the student - not funneled through red state legislatures.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
Sancho
(9,070 posts)My wife and I are in our 40th year as educators at all levels in three states.
Public schools are unequal and the rich get richer. It would be fine with me to not only make the gated communities pay more, but they should share the wealth with those who get substandard education. Charter schools are one way to steal from the poor and enhance the wealthy. It goes on and on.
http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2015/investigations/pinellas-failure-factories/
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)being able to say to his base "See? The Democratic party isn't perfect, but it's still our best hope for pushing a progressive agenda." People have been saying this for a while. An endorsement based upon policy rather than simply based on "well, I lost, so might as well endorse" is going to have more of an impact on Sanders supporters.
I imagine some people sense this is coming to a close, since we're seeing an uptick in the "OMG WHY HASN'T HE ENDORSED YET" concern trolling posts (even some from people saying his endorsement wouldn't matter). Those will probably become irrelevant very soon.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)His endorsement doesn't matter anymore. He is late to the party again.
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)matter, but we can't stop creating topics about him!"
Indeed.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Like I said, late to the party.
That doesn't mean people will just stop talking about him. I think people really just want him to face the fact that he lost and to stop bashing Democrats and focus on Trump. Loser's don't get to call the shots.
His endorsement at this point is probably expected, but it also seems pretty meaningless considering his negativity.
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...of +15 while HRC's favorability is -15.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1618/favorability-people-news.aspx
That 15 percent is pretty much made up in those that have never heard of him or have no opinion.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...of Bernie Sanders.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Or have an opinion. 14% of people haven't or don't.
Just going by your own link.
I think by this time next year he will be back where he was beginning of last year in the polls with more than half of Americans not knowing who he is.
I think that would have been different if he hadn't been so negative after losing.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)He's very good at moving goalposts. So we'll see, won't we?