2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI don't think there's one damned thing at all that HRC can do to change public perception.
To be sure, she can hurt herself even more than did Bill's stupid visit to Lynch's plane by her actions going forward. But the public's less than stellar perception of her is the result of a quarter century's worth of concentrated efforts by the right wing to bring her down. That can't be overcome in a speech or a PR campaign. It is absolutely baked into the American psyche, facts be damned. The email is what they're caterwauling about right now, but rest assured, if that were to go away completely - or even if it had never happened - they have other issues to use against her, again, facts be damned.
You can form your opinion of her based on the best factual information available or you can be lazy and buy into the right wing talking points. If you choose the former, you might still have a poor opinion of her, but at least you'll know what's real and what is institutionalized hate.
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monmouth4
(9,709 posts)they say is so ridiculously false. I still really like Bernie but the people spoke and that is the way it is..
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,818 posts)I voted for her in the primary and have said often and loud I think she is singularly the most qualified person to ever seek the presidency.
She will make a terrific president.
But please continue with your misperception of me.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I told her, "I'd rather have a crook than a damned NAZI!" then I showed her how Trump constantly retweets Nazi tweets.
So she told me a couple of days later she was voting for the crook instead of the Nazi.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)So I convinced her that even if Hillary is everything they say she is, she's still better than an open Nazi.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)she'll make a great president.
If Hillary could pull off even a LITTLE of everything she's been accused of, she'd rule the world.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Hillary as it's almost all noise...and yep ignorant people can have minds shape by all the noise....but as Hillary goes into campaign mode...more and more opinions will be changed....her class and style will change many minds...I look at her 11 hour grilling before the witch hunt committee....her poise that day made her our next president
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)because it was drilled in and I never spent the time to educate myself. I also knew that was the case and knew I was not informed. I had all intention of supporting Sanders, still not impressed with Clinton, though more than willing to vote for Clinton in GE. Otherwise is not even a consideration. I did know that a lot of the shit was simply RW attack, and she did well as senator and Sec of State, so I was certainly comfortable with Clinton as president.
In April, I started hearing the same attacks toward Clinton as I had been hearing for a couple years directed at Obama. I had stopped getting into political discussions because there is a faction of Democrats that do nothing but attack our own, regardless of Democrats even accomplishing shit. There was no reasoned conversation and an unwillingness to look at facts or considerations of alternatives and there repercussions.
But, about April of 2015 I started seeing the shift of attacks toward Clinton that Obama would have normally received, and the same language. This made me curious and I started jumping into the political discussion to see what the fuss was.
As I did my research on Sanders (because it is important to actually be informed on the candidate we support, with facts) and I listened to Sanders. Listened to what Sanders said in the past, I was also listening to the facts on Clinton. Any conversation that came up attacking Clinton, I looked for Clinton supporters to get the other side of the story. Then I would do the research and process the information. I truly was astounded at the uninformed, bias attack against Clinton on a regular basis, while the facts sat there for anyone to see. I also started listening to Clinton and researching her accomplishments, and was so thoroughly impressed with how much I was off on Clinton. What an amazing, accomplished, strong, smart, reasoned woman she was and is.
And still, I had an issue with the Clinton name. Mostly because of Bill.
Which brought me to a fun insight. The woman. The woman that was first the Presidents wife, then a Presidents employee. In the supportive role, not in autonomy. I did see some while she was a senator, that I remembered seeing and appreciating.
Hillary Clinton is her own person, and we are seeing that. I am truly interested to see how she will govern. Class is certainly a plus for us as a nation. But smart, and strong. Those make for a good President. Cautioned and reasoned serves us well.
And fr those that are dismissive of her being a First woman President, in the decades she forged ahead in a very Patriarchal society just simply miss out on the joy of what a strong and insightful person we will be getting. A woman, that can stand her own. She has had to do it all her life, in the face of dismissal, insult, ridicule is projected toward her in the most injust ways.
It says soemthing about character. Clinton consistently came up as the most truthful candidate this primary. Sanders a close second.
Clinton has run a very respectful, presidential campaign. That is evidence of her stance with opposition.
I look forward to her presidency.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)by the election.
Once elected, the American people will find they like her, just like her RW colleagues in the Senate found that they actually liked her once she got there.
The Rs will start tearing her down again in Dec 2019, and her favorables will take a dip going into 2020, no matter how successful she's been as president. She'll be relected, and her favorables will rise, again.
The only unknown is where the R Party will be by 2020. It's entirely possible that the party will split. Hillary could be facing an entirely different opposition political landscape in 2020.
rurallib
(62,448 posts)And spends hours and hours a day reinforcing it.
Even that fucking NPR with their patina of reliability.
Yeah it will be hard to overcome.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)to be hillbillies who were not worthy to attend their elitist parties, let alone occupy the highest office in the land. They still think that way, and you can hear it in both what they say and what they don't say about the Clintons.
Just like Senators who stay in the Senate for decades on end, the beltway media hacks are also lifers when it comes to DC. Presidents come and go, but the media and political elites are eternal. They look down on those who would dare sully their insular society, if even for a mere 4 to 8 years at a time.
Most of the Hillary hatred stems from the Bill hatred that has never really subsided in DC. It's hatred that's driven as much by the media insiders as the Rs.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)You know, the vast right wing conspiracy. Let's place this on the doorstep of those responsible, the Republicans. The are not elite, they are assholes.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)
It is up to her with how to handle herself and, should she win the presidency (and I am predicting that she will), in leading the nation.
This is president of the United States.
I don't think a citizen has to worship and feel love for a commander in chief.
What is provided in leadership is what matters.
Hillary Clinton is in a better position than Bill Clinton was to be directing the nation toward the left. People are there on social issues such as same-sex marriage and marijuana usage. So, any Democrat in this era should recognize that, unlike with the 1968 to 2004 Republican presidential realigning period (during which Bill was the only Democrat elected to more than one term), the 2008 Democratic presidential realigning period is far more advantageous a period for the urging to "Go left!"