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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 03:08 AM Jul 2016

Reich: Con-Man Trump Is Now Launching His Biggest Hoax Yet, Trying to Be Bernie Sanders

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/37774-con-man-trump-is-now-launching-his-biggest-hoax-yet-trying-to-be-bernie-sanders

Trump is posing as the anti-establishment populist, campaigning against the establishment’s Hillary Clinton. "If we're going to deliver real change,” he said Tuesday in Pennsylvania, “we're going to have to reject the campaign of fear and intimidation being pushed by powerful corporations, media elites, and powerful dynasties. The people who rigged the system for their benefit will do anything and say anything to keep things exactly as they are."

Multi-billionaire Trump – who inherited his initial wealth and connections from his father, who then for year bribed politicians to subsidize his hotels and casinos, who repeatedly used bankruptcy to shield his fortune while leaving creditors and workers holding the bag – is now a born-against populist who wants America to believe he’s taking on both the Republican and Democratic establishments.

"It's almost -- in some ways, like, I'm running against two parties," Trump told conservative talk radio host Mike Gallagher earlier today, after leading Republicans have refused to endorse him and Republican political front groups like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce repudiated his trade plans. The Republican establishment couldn't have helped Trump more.

The surge of anti-establishment anger among American voters is real. But with Bernie effectively out of the race, there’s no anti-establishment candidate. Huckster Trump is trying to take the mantle
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Reich: Con-Man Trump Is Now Launching His Biggest Hoax Yet, Trying to Be Bernie Sanders (Original Post) eridani Jul 2016 OP
He's getting some populists in whom anti-establishment resentment Hortensis Jul 2016 #1
Nobody suggested that healthcare reform be repealed. Scootaloo Jul 2016 #2
Yes they did. The ACA is market based. Hortensis Jul 2016 #3
populist? MFM008 Jul 2016 #4
"Populist Politics Are Bigger Than Trump And Sanders" Hortensis Jul 2016 #5
Aaaand now we have you trying to conenct Sanders supporters to Nazis. Scootaloo Jul 2016 #7
And now we have a dishonest accusation from you. Hortensis Jul 2016 #8
If by "dishonest" you mean "perfectly apt" perhaps. Scootaloo Jul 2016 #19
It's called a transition. Scootaloo Jul 2016 #6
Populism, Scootaloo, requires two elements: Hortensis Jul 2016 #9
Many people conflate populism with progressivism. MineralMan Jul 2016 #15
Good way to put it. For a leader, Hortensis Jul 2016 #16
You're conflating populism with demagoguery. Scootaloo Jul 2016 #18
So basically dismantling Obamacare? JaneyVee Jul 2016 #10
Only if you believe the voting rights act dismantled the 13th amendment. Scootaloo Jul 2016 #20
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #21
Imo, you are out of line. You are also completely Hortensis Jul 2016 #22
Bernie lost in a landslide. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #11
Morph it to the Trump! riversedge Jul 2016 #13
The Don the Con greatest swindle UCmeNdc Jul 2016 #12
Any Sanders supporter who would vote for Donald Trump MineralMan Jul 2016 #14
Which candidate is the real NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #17
I know two sanders voters who migrated to trump La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #23

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
1. He's getting some populists in whom anti-establishment resentment
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 04:43 AM
Jul 2016

is the strongest motivator. For instance, left-wing populists who joined Bernie progressives in insisting healthcare reform be repealed, but as an expression of resentment toward the Democratic Party, won't have that far to travel to join conservative populists who want to repeal healthcare reform period and also shaft the Democrats.

Statisticians say there's about 10% "defection" every election and ours is looking normal for 2016, so BFD and whatever.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
2. Nobody suggested that healthcare reform be repealed.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 05:40 AM
Jul 2016

We wanted it expanded and developed into single-payer.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. Yes they did. The ACA is market based.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 06:01 AM
Jul 2016

Thousands of sections on issues like patient privacy, surgical time-outs, electronic medical records might be copied into a new system, but new laws would have to be passed and the ACA framework would have to be scrapped. In justification, a great deal of contempt and hostility have been expressed toward the ACA, and many lies about its many failures as well.

Anyway, that's hardly the point. The point is that, for populists primarily motivated by resentment, issues like the ACA were merely what their populist progressive leader spoke of, not reflections of their own principles or aspiration. Studies show that a significant number of Bernie's supporters are actually NOT for a single-payer system.

In any case, Bernie was the leader some left-wing populists chose for a while, but now some of those will migrate to the only other populist leader in the field.

MFM008

(19,820 posts)
4. populist?
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 06:11 AM
Jul 2016

Is there any comparison between Sanders and the bloated, bloviating Nazi????
tRump isn't a populist he is a fascist.


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. "Populist Politics Are Bigger Than Trump And Sanders"
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 06:17 AM
Jul 2016
Trump can be both. Note that populist anger was a very large element in the Nazi phenomenon.

This's an NPR article on populism in the U.S. right now and how it's likely to affect the parties, but googling "populism" "trump" "sanders" will pull up a bunch of others.

http://www.npr.org/2016/04/25/475551861/populist-candidates-appeal-to-voters-who-feel-theyre-unheard

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
6. It's called a transition.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 06:20 AM
Jul 2016

You move from one system to the next in a gradual but certain way in order to minimize disruption. This would necessitate legislation designed for such a transition, and yes would ultimately result in the sunsetting of the ACA in favor of the new system. This is a different thing from repealing it, however. A repeal simply removes the law. Poof, all gone.

Also, you have not provided any support for your "populists motivated by resentment." Who? Where? What resentment? All we have is your assurances about them.

Further your belief that left-wing populists will got to Trump is just... well.. fucking stupid. I don't think you understand the left. I'm certain you think you do, but it seems to be a weird John Birch Society interpretation where we're all just angry stupid bitter anarchists wanting to blow everything up so we can stack the rubble.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. Populism, Scootaloo, requires two elements:
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 06:58 AM
Jul 2016

Anger/resentment against elites, although many subjects can become avowed targets, such as immigrants,

PLUS

A host ideology. The host can be almost any ideology on the planet. The populist phenomenon is very flexible that way.

Why not read that article about populism in America? You're not going to take me out, so either passing over my posts or learning something about the topics I join in or would seem sensible.

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
15. Many people conflate populism with progressivism.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 11:07 AM
Jul 2016

They don't understand what populism is, really. Anyone, of any political philosophy, can use populism to gain support. In itself, populism has no particular political position. It's a strategy, not a philosophy.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. Good way to put it. For a leader,
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 11:33 AM
Jul 2016

it's a negative energy to harness. For a follower, it's readiness for a leader who will provide a crowd to join and targets to sic them on.

The Donald is a salesman and almost certainly identified this market eager to be served long ago, but I wonder, at what point did someone explain to him that he's the leader of a populist movement?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
18. You're conflating populism with demagoguery.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 09:47 PM
Jul 2016

I suggest you learn your political terms and ideologies before trying to use them. I hate to tell you but an op-ed from a reader-provided news blog isn't going to give you an able education in the subject.

Response to Hortensis (Reply #1)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. Imo, you are out of line. You are also completely
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:07 AM
Jul 2016

wrong in ascribing this orientation to me. I've supported a national healthcare program of the single-payer type before the majority of today's voters were born.

As for the post you link to, I assumed all DUers are aware of the thousands of posts on this and so referred only briefly to the many, many calls for getting rid of the imagined dreadful failure of the ACA and--of course, why would this need to be pointed out on DU?--replacing it with a single payer system.

UCmeNdc

(9,601 posts)
12. The Don the Con greatest swindle
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 08:07 AM
Jul 2016

Con people into believing that Don Trump supports progressive policies.


A con man to the bitter core.

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
14. Any Sanders supporter who would vote for Donald Trump
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 11:05 AM
Jul 2016

was not listening to Bernie. "Anything is better than this" is not a political philosophy. It's just dissatisfaction.

Donald Trump is little more than a painful, itchy, inflamed hemorrhoid on the body politic. He gets attention, but relief is illusory.

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