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Why Gay People Have Hillary's Back (Original Post) DonRedwood Jun 2016 OP
The Clinton's have always had our backs LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #1
Being part of the younger generation, I respectfully disagree with you. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #4
I never said you owed anyone anything. LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #6
No, I didn't assume anything about you. I spoke in general, Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #7
Hillary does more than talk.. fun n serious Jun 2016 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author insta8er Jun 2016 #5
She helped get 9 other senators to vote against.... MaggieD Jun 2016 #3

LoverOfLiberty

(1,438 posts)
1. The Clinton's have always had our backs
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 11:18 PM
Jun 2016

even when theirs were against the wall. I am so tired of defending them to the younger generation who have no idea what it was like before we elected someone who said he would be our president, too.

They are certainly politicians, but in no way have they ever been other than our strongest allies.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
4. Being part of the younger generation, I respectfully disagree with you.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 04:34 AM
Jun 2016

When thinking of our strongest (political) allies, my thoughts gravitate to the late senator Edward Kennedy, or the Californian hero-mayor Gavin Newsom. Both Democrats to be very proud of.

But on a more serious note: even IF the Clintons have always had our backs (which is debatable, since Bill Clinton himself has apologised for some bills that he signed) that still doesn't translate into "the LGBT community owes their votes to a Clinton in 2016".

This is not an attack on Clinton, just a repeat of a warning made even by Clinton's strongest supporters: don't become complacent, don't count chickens before they are hatched.

And I know that there are still alert-stalkers active, and I know that some posters are still very sensitive after the primaries. But those are over, and I only post constructive criticism on DU. Read it as such, all ye whose eyes glance over these words.

During the primaries, senator Sanders' supporters were unpleasantly surprised that people of colour didn't vote in droves for the man who had marched with Dr. Martin Luther King. But as DU's people of colour were quick to point out: just because he had done the right thing, doesn't mean that PoC of any age "owe" their vote to Sanders.

Just because the Clintons have done things right by the LGBT community in the past (no doubt the stuff you you are tired of mentioning when "defending them to a younger generation&quot doesn't mean that LGBT people of any age "owe" their vote to the Clintons, or are destined to have her back, or whatever.

And here is why: intersectionality.

LGBT people aren't just gay, they are also employees, unemployed, young, old, people of colour, Latinos, concerned about the environment, concerned about women's health rights, suffering from mental health issues, or knowing someone who does, concerned about education (or working in education, or parents of a child going to school) and so on.

Just saying: "hey, Clinton had your back a generation ago" isn't nearly going to be as effective as offering policies that address the issues that concern all the above parts of someone's identity. The GOP may be foolish enough to reduce an antire human being to his or her sexual orientation, but we should be wiser. If we don't address the rampant police abuse of people of colour (police reform) a lesbian woman of colour may still feel that we don't address her issues. Ignoring the anger of the younger generation (concerns about employment, prospects, housing, trade deals, income disparity, the environment and so on) is likely to turn off a young LGBT person, whatever the Clintons did ten years ago.

It's safe to say that the LGBT community is collectively miffed about gun violence. Offering lots of down-ticket candidates who propose stricter gun laws may sound like a good idea, but we should also remember that right after Orlando, gun sales to LGBT people spiked. What that tells us is that a lot of LGBT people feel unsafe, and feel that they can't RELY on either party to guarantee their safety and their rights. From that feeling, few will feel that they owe a vote to either party.

Like it or not, the LGBT votes have to be earned - over a great many issues. The Democratic candidates (up and down the ticket) will have to give them a reason to vote Democratic.

(And no: especially downticket, the Trump card won't be enough.)

LoverOfLiberty

(1,438 posts)
6. I never said you owed anyone anything.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:29 AM
Jun 2016

My statement was and continues to be that the Clintons have always been strong allies of the gay community. Your reply made a lot of assumptions that I didn't make including insinuating that I'm a one issue voter, which I'm not.

Vote for whoever you want to, I'm certainly not here to try and influence that decision.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
7. No, I didn't assume anything about you. I spoke in general,
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:34 AM
Jun 2016

and how we shouldn't be complacent. I'm sorry that point went unnoticed when you felt personally discussed. Why was that, by the way? Why did you assume I was talking about you specifically?

Anyway: gay votes have to be earned - over a lot of issues.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
2. Hillary does more than talk..
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 11:30 PM
Jun 2016

When she was Sec Of State she was able to travel around the world. Almost everywhere she went she held town hall like events about LGBTQ and discrimination. She gave comfort to the community. Many people globally say she gave them courage to embrace who they were and fight.

Response to fun n serious (Reply #2)

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
3. She helped get 9 other senators to vote against....
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 11:41 PM
Jun 2016

... The constitutional amendment against LGBT people in 2004. I was in DC on a national board at the time. She was very helpful to us.

Nobody else who ran against her in this primary did shit for us at the time. That's a fact, despite so many attempts to rewrite history.

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