2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumElizabeth Warren Draws Fire from Left and Right Over Clinton Endorsement
Senator Warren has built her career on criticisms of Wall Streets money spigot, which she correctly says is corrupting government, perpetuating the growing divide between the super rich and the other 99 percent, while perverting so many members of Congress that meaningful Wall Street reform like restoring the Glass-Steagall Act hangs in limbo. And yet, despite years of pounding the table on these issues, last Thursday Senator Warren went on the Rachel Maddow show on MSNBC and spiritedly endorsed Hillary Clinton for President an establishment politician with a criminal FBI investigation hanging over her head for violating State Department policy in the handling of her emails on a private server in her home while Secretary of State. Clinton is also the only Presidential candidate to have personally accepted millions of dollars from Wall Street for giving speeches and who is now refusing to release the transcripts of what she told Wall Street in exchange for those hefty fees.
Warren is clearly missing the big picture here. The Democratic base is fed up with conflating empty talk that goes nowhere with progress. Student loan debt, fueled by the same greedy Wall Street banks, is now $1.2 trillion. Its crushing the lives of young people, creating student prostitutes at NYU, while lining the pockets of the serial criminals on Wall Street that the Obama administration refuses to put in jail.
As Warren correctly pointed out in a previous Senate hearing, Wall Street received $13 trillion in cumulative loans as a secret bailout through the Federal Reserve. Much of that money was loaned at below 1 percent interest. Struggling students, the future of America, are still paying four to six times that amount after all the talk in Washington.
Increasingly, the progressive base in America has lost confidence in its leaders in Washington. The Warren endorsement of Clinton adds mightily to the cynicism. A Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted June 7-10 showed that 44 percent of Democrats nationwide would like Senator Bernie Sanders to make an independent run for the White House. A mere 3 percent more, or 47 percent, said he should not.
http://wallstreetonparade.com/2016/06/elizabeth-warren-draws-fire-from-left-and-right-over-clinton-endorsement/
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Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)This picture is classic. We should all brace ourselves as A LOT of people are going to get thrown under the bus as they come out with their support of Hillary.
I, for one, am pretty damn shocked at how bad Warren has been thrown under the bus around here. She was everyone's messiah until she wasn't. I respected the fact that she stayed out of the primaries for the reason she did.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)PJMcK
(22,045 posts)She's fearless.
I can't wait to see her accomplish more great things for advancing our country. She'll have my support.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)and doesn't succumb to the DC elite syndrome
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I thought that was a bit strange. I hope she appears again soon. I like her speeches.
PJMcK
(22,045 posts)Isn't it refreshing that a politician doesn't feel the need to be the lede every day?
There's another strategy in force, I think. There's slightly less than five months until the election. That's a long time and makes the campaign a marathon. You can't do too much too soon or you'll expend too much energy too early. If the attacks on Mr. Trump are strategically spread out from many different angles, it will unbalance any responses. Of course, Mr. Trump is already unbalanced!
I suspect that Secretary Clinton's team is proactively coordinating public statements with their allies. She is an extremely savvy politician.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)This week she spoke at the New American Open Markets project, did an appearance on the View, and delivered a speech in Washington criticizing tech companies using economies of scale to reduce competition.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)endorse the candidate who represents everything she claims to be against.
PJMcK
(22,045 posts)Please explain your observation.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)That's the gist of it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Corky.
That includes people who share his views and been working for and fighting to protect progressive government action for decades. They apparently just don't think he has the right stuff to work from the White House, and obviously she does not because her endorsement might well have made all the difference.
Passion is not competence. Claiming he himself is the only one and everyone else is corrupt is incompetence. But let's hope he has managed to make them wonder if they should raise their own bars in the process of insulting and denying their commitment.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)I was just translating.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)just agreeing is not a fun thing. Sorry for the bother.
PJMcK
(22,045 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)I saw this back in 2004 and it always stuck with me.
PJMcK
(22,045 posts)I'm not here to do "hit" jobs or be a disruptor. I've been on this site since January on 2004 and in all my years I've never seen such blind allegiance to what I perceive to be a flawed candidate.
zenabby
(364 posts)but this is an amazing clip! Makes me stop and think..
What does it say that Hillary Clinton saw the op ed and asked Elizabeth Warren to meet with her privately and learn about the bill? She was the first lady. She didn't have to do that. It shows she is intelligent, curious, does her home work and cares to understand the details. That's more than you can say for many others.
What does it say that she went back to White House and made Bill veto the bill? It shows that she follows through, she is not all words, but actions.
What does it say that she voted for the bankruptcy bill when she was a senator? Does it show that she is a politician faced with the same pressures as most politicians and she is willing to play the game?
I was not happy about the last part. So, I did some research. This is what Hillary Clinton told in response.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/07/clinton_accuses_sanders_and_warren_of_smear_campaign.html
So she voted for it in 2001 but was against it in 2005. If she were in big bank's pockets, why did she vote against it in 2005?
I am under no illusion that she is a flaw less candidate. I just don't believe such a viable candidate exists. When Obama talked about rising the seas and so on, I rolled my eyes. All politicians are ambitious, and have to handle the multiple commitments and pressures that their job entails and still get the job done. I believe Hillary will get the job done.
JudyM
(29,265 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Almost like it's nothing but made-up bullshit.....
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)There's nothing to prove what the article says.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Based on your feelings for a particular candidate?
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Real polling data displays the questions asked, and the breakdown of responses. This article doesn't, nor does it link to anywhere that the data can be viewed separately.
Like I said before, it's nothing but bullshit at this point, another media attempt to keep the "horse race" alive even after Bernie had his ass handed to him by Secretary Clinton in the primary.
Renew Deal
(81,869 posts)And so is anyone that doesn't realize that.
PJMcK
(22,045 posts)Tal Vez
(660 posts)If Sanders had won the nomination, Warren would have endorsed him, too. Sanders will endorse Clinton, too.
The "big differences" are mostly just differences in strategies.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)hmmmm
edbermac
(15,943 posts)On Tue Jun 14, 2016, 02:13 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Elizabeth Warren Draws Fire from Left and Right Over Clinton Endorsement
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stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)edbermac
(15,943 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)....when she was goading Trump, Who I feel is beneath her concern, that iced it.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Look out Liz!!!!
jillan
(39,451 posts)everything she has been fighting against since her tenure in DC.
It makes Bernie supporters, like myself, wonder who is the real Elizabeth Warren?
It sent a very confusing message. Elizabeth has gone after Hillary on several occasions.
This one is a head scratcher.
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)It makes not a lick of sense to me.
Was Elizabeth lying the whole time she was screaming about Wall Street?
It sure seems that way now.
I am incredibly disappointed in her.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)why would she encourage HRC if she didn't want HRC as the nominee?
still_one
(92,366 posts)This pattern by some of trashing any person or group that has endorsed Hillary reflects an intolerance and arrogance that only THEIR view counts
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)still_one
(92,366 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends. ~ Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
840high
(17,196 posts)shanti
(21,675 posts)Thanks