2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe blame for a President Trump lies with the person who encouraged him to run.
Now who could that be?
MFM008
(19,818 posts)and we dont know what transpired in the conversation.
It doesn't matter because he might not make it out of the convention.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Maybe Bill could see into the future.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Jaybird
(234 posts)Really, why?
still_one
(92,233 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Bernie, but of course, it's hard to keep up with the he's a Democrat, he's not a Democrat, he's a Democrat pendulum so maybe you don't consider him a Democrat.
And I am sick and tired of being told that Bernie supporters will be blamed for a President Trump.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you want. This is a Democratic board where Democrats chat. To want into another group and do nothing but diss all that group is annoying and tiresome as hell.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)brush
(53,792 posts)The repugs are even trying to figure out how dump him.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Heads I win, tails you lose.
Our democracies favorite game of late.
TwilightZone
(25,472 posts)"Four Trump allies and one Clinton associate familiar with the exchange said that Clinton encouraged Trumps efforts to play a larger role in the Republican Party and offered his own views of the political landscape.
Clintons personal office in New York confirmed that the call occurred in late May, but an aide to Clinton said the 2016 race was never specifically discussed and that it was only a casual chat. "
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bill-clinton-called-donald-trump-ahead-of-republicans-2016-launch/2015/08/05/e2b30bb8-3ae3-11e5-b3ac-8a79bc44e5e2_story.html
Even everyone's favorite, the RW Daily Mail, says it never happened.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Where did he get that from?
greyl
(22,990 posts)(And there is no President Trump)
bvf
(6,604 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Not every rumor that circulates online is true, you know.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Corporate Neocons sure are trying to keep if from happening. Since we've been constantly told she will win against Trump in a landslide, I can't imagine why the Democratic Establishment and Corporate Media aren't doing everything they can to make sure Trump is the nominee?
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)but the Reich will want to try and win.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)to create them, knock them down and then claim victory
I have not heard one legitimate and knowledgeable mainstream media source predict that Clinton will win in a landslide. It is much too early for any prediction to be taken seriously.
Trump is the nominee because he won more primaries and caucuses than his opponents. Clinton is the nominee because she won 33 caucuses and primaries to Sanders' 23.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Response to Skwmom (Original post)
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onenote
(42,715 posts)But I do worry a bit about what you'll do without us.
Ace Rothstein
(3,164 posts)You are ok with Trump being President as it means Clinton will have lost.
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)It seems like you're blaming President Bill Clinton for Donald Trump's candidacy. I'm fairly certain that Mr. Trump does pretty much anything he wants to, based on watching him since the 1980's.
Or is your observation about President Clinton's wife?
Perhaps you could expand on your thoughts.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)Just because she advised him to run, he is still responsible for his own actions.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)Various sources deny it. Trash press reports it as fact.
What amazes me is that lefties who don't like either of the Clintons are frothing at how Macchiavellian they are!!!!!11!
Meanwhile, Trump is ripping the GOP apart. The Grand Old Party actually may not even survive the Trump experience.
If I really believed the rumor, I'd want to shake Bill's hand, not kick his wife in the shins.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)PS: This shit stops on the 16th.
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)brooklynite
(94,602 posts)The credit for encouraging Donald Trump to run for President and causing the Republican Party to crash and burn lies with the most politically savvy President we've had in decades.
It is apparently not true but if it were, damn, what a genius Bill would be. Trump is the nightmare of the Republican party who could have an effect for generations. His support from the Rep leader in the House is very soft, the Rep leader in the Senate hates him and Republicans in moderate states will be running away from him.
Brilliant work. MVP!
If former President Clinton influenced Donald Trump, in any way, to run for president, it was a masterful political move. Anyone who has observed Donald Trump knows exactly what he's like and how wonderful it would be if he was punked by President Clinton!
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)msongs
(67,420 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)The blame will lie with the American public - those who voted for him, those who stayed home, and those who threw away their vote in support of some nonviable candidate.
Think voting for Nader in 2000, the genius who said that there's not a dime's worth of difference between Gore and GWB.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)At the end of the day, the DNC decided that there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between Gore and GWB and told Gore not to fight.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Gore's people were simply outmaneuvered.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)Decided that contesting the election would lead to a weakened Presidency no matter who won in the end. It's why the Democratic Senators certified the Florida election results and refused to let any member of the Congressional Black Caucus speak out against it. I believe as VP Gore could have allowed (is it recognized?) a member of the CBC and allowed them to speak as well, he did not. Any full recount of Florida would have lead to a Gore victory.
I despise what the republicans are. The only "praise" I have for them is that they won't give up. Unfortunately it's always shit that hurts America and Americans that they won't give up on, but they are tenacious. I don't think snarl or * would have blushed at all over making a (in Gore's case) legitimate grab for power.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)or corruption in politics. The same people who demonstrate unprecedented hostility toward potential voters, censoring their presence online just like in the polls.
We would have to be INSANE to support someone who has demonstrated OPEN HOSTILITY toward us by attempting to force us out of our right to representation. We would have to be fucking nuts.
So don't burn out too many brain cells trying to figure out why people don't support the premature inevitable coronation, because this election has been truly un-American and un-democratic.
It is understandable to volley insults back and forth--but to interfere with an election will give the Clintons a legacy they will never live down.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)by the promise of silver and gold.
Duval
(4,280 posts)And I was so grateful for DU and Kos. It is so sad.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)TwilightZone
(25,472 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)He pulled out then, a sort of premature e-trumpulation.
rug
(82,333 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)of people who voted for him.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Response to Skwmom (Original post)
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pampango
(24,692 posts)Though scapegoats do come in handy.
XRubicon
(2,212 posts)I know that is hard for you to comprehend, but give it a try.
Also, the winner of the primary is the one who got the most votes. Another tough one for you I'm sure.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)it was Bill Clinton.
"Bill Clinton encouraged Donald Trump to run for President during a phone call before he decided to run for president. Steve Handelsman reports."
Lance Bass esquire
(671 posts)Give me a break .Give me a break
Give me the taste of that Kit Kat Bar.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)kadaholo
(304 posts)...Bill's encouragement was a set-up? Just sayin'...
emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)Trump voters will be responsible for President Trump.
I get that you want to 'punish' HRC and exact some sort of 'vengeance' on her supporters here.
I think that's bullshit.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)We know what you are.
So say Hi to Trump for us.
We're about to kick his ass.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Who do YOU think convinced him?