2016 Election Results Map - Clinton vs Sanders - Caucus vs Primary

[LVZ]

[Lizzie Poppet]

1. Interesting resemblance to previous years' red/blue maps.

And no, I'm not saying that to bash Clinton in any way. It's just an interesting pattern, IMO.

[Las Vegas Mixx]

4. Really? I don't see much resemblance at all. n/t

[Garrett78]

20. That's because there isn't any.

Anyway, I take issue with these sorts of maps, as they don't give any indication as to margin of victory or population size in each state. Nonetheless, it's quite evident that the race wouldn't have been even remotely close if not for vote-suppressing caucuses.

[Las Vegas Mixx]

2. Primary States Won - Clinton 26, Sanders 10 ... n/t

[One Black Sheep]

3. Yea, that other map was very misleading that was posted

this one looks like it is actually correct...

[Lord Magus]

5. I really wish we could just stop having caucuses.

Make every state a primary. As for whether they should be open primaries...I prefer Ohio's "semi-open" primary because no way should Republicans be getting to weigh in on who their candidate's opponent will be.

[Stallion]

6. I Think I Read that Sanders Won A Majority of Registered Democrats in Exactly One Primary

nm

[Las Vegas Mixx]

7. Caucus Systems - much lower participation - less representative of Democratic voters

[msongs]

8. less than 400 TOTAL voted in ND "caucus" lol. More than that in the WalMart down the street now nt

[Las Vegas Mixx]

10. What if there were no caucuses in 2016?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-system-isnt-rigged-against-sanders/

Harry Enton and Nate Silver - FiveThirtyEight.com - The System Isn’t Rigged Against Sanders

Sanders fans have claimed that because caucuses have lower turnout the current national caucus and primary vote underrates how well Sanders is doing. In fact, the opposite is true. When we switch all caucuses over to primaries, Sanders actually does worse. Clinton’s lead in the popular vote would grow from 2.9 to 3.3 million votes. Moreover, her edge in elected delegates would expand significantly. Instead of her current lead of 272 elected delegates, Clinton would be ahead by 424. Some states that were won by Sanders in caucuses, including Colorado and Minnesota, would be won by Clinton in primaries, according to our calculations.

[RobertEarl]

11. My calculations

If the race had been fair and square, the media unbiased and even handed with its reporting, and the Democratic party doing what it supposed to do by supporting unfettered real democracy, Bernie Sanders would have won 35 states and be declared the winner already.

[Las Vegas Mixx]

12. So you are advertising that you cannot do math?

[RobertEarl]

13. Write (sic) over your head, eh?

Figures.

[Las Vegas Mixx]

14. Yes, we love snarkiness. Thanks for your humorous prediction, Nostradamus - woulda-coulda-shoulda

[RobertEarl]

15. Heh

You just stick with your 538 worship. You have not refuted any of what I said, because you can't.

[Las Vegas Mixx]

16. Nothing to refute - silly faith-based guesswork is more appropriate for Tea Party and Fox News folks

[RobertEarl]

17. Robert Reich says it best

Dear Bernie:

I don’t know what you’re going to do from here on, and I’m not going to advise you. You've earned the right to figure out the next steps for your campaign and the movement you have launched.

But let me tell you this: You’ve already succeeded.

At the start they labeled you a “fringe” candidate – a 74-year-old, political Independent, Jewish, self-described democratic socialist, who stood zero chance against the Democratic political establishment, the mainstream media, and the moneyed interests.

Then you won 22 states.

And in almost every state – even in those you lost -- you won vast majorities of voters under 30, including a majority of young women and Latinos. And most voters under 45.

You have helped shape the next generation.

You’ve done it without SuperPACs or big money from corporations, Wall Street, and billionaires. You did it with small contributions from millions of us. You've shown it can be done without selling your soul or compromising your conviction.

You’ve also inspired millions to get involved in politics -- and to fight the most important and basic of all fights on which all else depends: to reclaim our economy and democracy from the moneyed interests.

Your message – about the necessity of single-payer healthcare, free tuition at public universities, a $15 minimum wage, busting up the biggest Wall Street banks, taxing the financial speculation, expanding Social Security, imposing a tax on carbon, and getting big money out of politics – will shape the progressive agenda from here on.

Your courage in taking on the political establishment has emboldened millions of us to stand up and demand our voices be heard.

Regardless of what you decide to do now, you have ignited a movement that will fight onward. We will fight to put more progressives into the House and Senate. We will fight at the state level. We will organize for the 2020 presidential election.

We will not succumb to cynicism. We are in it for the long haul. We will never give up.

Thank you, Bernie.

Bob

[Las Vegas Mixx]

18. No disagreement. I agree with Bernie on most issues just not on whining about "process". n/t

[RobertEarl]

19. I doubt that. Here, read this

catnhatnh (8,844 posts)

Why Bernie can't drop out? Because he is being deceived. Repeatedly.

I won't list a litany of cases from the missing Colorado delegate to the "My fingers were crossed" promised California debate to this weeks surprise Clinton Coronation BEFORE the primaries by a "news outfit". But at midnight, a day after announcing Sanders had been beaten in California we are told that nearly half (three million) votes have not yet been tabulated and may not be for two more weeks!

This is usually the part in a hard fought campaign when an "honest broker" works to reconcile the candidates and their supporters. Well in this case the head of the DNC is out. Sander's cannot trust his opponent-she has a history of reneging on promises. Obama is the only possibility and now if he calls for Sanders to drop out before the convention he to may be viewed as tainted.

So no-I'm not ready to make nice. Clinton and the DNC and the media has earned my distrust. They'll just have to live with that.



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