2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI blame Republicans far more than corporate Democrats for the problems we face as a country
I think if we had more Democrats in control in DC, then we could worry more about liberals versus centrists.
Right now, the primary cancer on our country is the REPUBLICANS.
Hillary Clinton is NOT a Republican, certainly not a Republicans circa 2016.
She may be similar to a Republican of the 1950s-1970s, but today's Republican party has gone to the far fringe.
Do I prefer Bernie's policies more than Hillary's? Absolutely.
Is Hillary a better choice than Trump? ABSOLUTELY.
There really should be no question about it!
Not voting for Hillary increases the chance of a Trump victory, and I am not willing to take that chance.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)We're never going to eliminate all Rs or all Ds. Or right-leaning or left-leaning folks. There will always be two sides, whether it's a label or not.
I wouldn't want it to be one-sided in either direction. Imagine ALL repubs ALL the time? No, thanks.
PJMcK
(22,048 posts)Well said, Fast Walker 52. Your ideas are spot on.
TwilightZone
(25,479 posts)to one. The president can't do it alone, as has been evidenced for much of the past eight years.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)I've said this probably 100 times this election cycle, it doesn't matter if Clinton or Sanders wins the election come November if there isn't a big change in the House. Because the GOP and their supporters seem to be just fine with obstructionism.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)to whatever anarchy ails the Republican party. Quite to the contrary. They believe a little wiggling of the rules is a necessary evil. That's what they mean when they say that compromise is what is called for to get things done in this country.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Conservative ideology has ruled this country for years and still holds immense power. Liberals have had a hard time thriving in that environment.
Yes, in some places they do, but so many places, Dems are unelectable still.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I swear they spent more time agreeing with and praising each other than they did disagreeing. I ended up turning it off in disgust. No wonder Gore couldn't get enough votes, his running mate was stabbing him in the back.
And then look where that little weasel ended up in 2008, on stage at the RNC with the Palins.
Sorry, the Democrats chose the path they took and we are seeing the fruits of that path now.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)That the nation as a whole isn't as left-leaning as they'd like it to be. Otherwise, we'd be supporting Bernie as the nominee instead of Clinton.
Having lived in Missouri, Virginia, Pennsylvania and Maryland has given me a fairly good cross-section of every day Dems and though all my friends and I are extremely progressive, most Dems aren't.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)of losing their next term. Dems have been weak in congress, even complicit. If trump wins, the dems will pass his Supremes without a fight. I like having 4/4 on the bench if repugs get in the WH
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The ideologies are not clearly divided by Party. While all the Republicons are conservative to the max, there are Democrats that are also conservative. The New-Democrats figured out they could appeal to some of the Democratic base by supporting some social programs and yet keep their very conservative ideologies with re. to foreign policy, national security vs. Constitutional rights and the Economy. In other worlds by support a few social issues they can still make their billions and trillions off of wars, environmental exploitation and economic policies that favor the Wealthy. While we may see some movement in social justice issues with another New-Democrat admin, we will also see the wealth gap continue it's destructive growth. We may end up in the poor farm but allowed to have same sex marriage.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)I blame the Democrats that push the same policies
msongs
(67,440 posts)both want now. minority dems can only block where possible but cannot move forward. obama did a good job under the
circumstances
CrispyQ
(36,509 posts)They feed at the same corporate trough the repubs feed at. They toss The People a few more crumbs than the repubs do, but they are not looking to change the status quo. With each election they veer further to the right.
Obama is just an icon for dem leadership in this cartoon. HRC will take the party even further to the right.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Corporate Dems do not FIGHT the Republicans. On the contrary, they fall all over themselves clamoring for bipartisanship with them which LEGITIMIZES the Republican Party.
They should not be legitimizing them. They should be destroying them.
Republicans could not have done what they have done without their partners in crime, the corporate Dems.
If Democrats FOUGHT for average Americans by exposing the Republicans, average Americans would know. They really would. And, Democrats would have control of Congress for decades again. Bernie beats Trump by FAR more than HRC.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Reaganism killed conventional liberalism, hence the rise of corporate Dems.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Nothing more than that.
Corporate Dems made inroads in to the Party prior to Reagan which might have been partly to blame for the public's embrace of Reagan.
DLC Corporate Dems consolidated power with the Clintons and have not let go since. They will be firmly entrenched for another decade with HRC in the White House. This will not be good for most Americans, but it will be fantastic for the top 5-10%.