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Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:26 PM Jun 2016

I blame Republicans far more than corporate Democrats for the problems we face as a country

I think if we had more Democrats in control in DC, then we could worry more about liberals versus centrists.

Right now, the primary cancer on our country is the REPUBLICANS.

Hillary Clinton is NOT a Republican, certainly not a Republicans circa 2016.

She may be similar to a Republican of the 1950s-1970s, but today's Republican party has gone to the far fringe.

Do I prefer Bernie's policies more than Hillary's? Absolutely.

Is Hillary a better choice than Trump? ABSOLUTELY.

There really should be no question about it!

Not voting for Hillary increases the chance of a Trump victory, and I am not willing to take that chance.

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I blame Republicans far more than corporate Democrats for the problems we face as a country (Original Post) Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 OP
Balance is good, imo. bigwillq Jun 2016 #1
True words PJMcK Jun 2016 #2
The best way to pursue a more progressive agenda is to give the president a Congress more amenable TwilightZone Jun 2016 #3
Stop making sense. justiceischeap Jun 2016 #5
EXACTLY. Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #15
Unfortunately, neo-liberals are not an effective counter-balance Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #4
no, they are not. But they are a symptom of a larger problem. Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #16
I remember watching the Vice Presidential debates in 2000, Joementum vs Cheney Fumesucker Jun 2016 #6
I think it's difficult for a lot of people, namely progressives, to understand justiceischeap Jun 2016 #7
yep. Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #17
I dont. Real dems could have used tools to block repug bills, but they went along, bribed or afraid larkrake Jun 2016 #8
I have a problem with the division of Democrat vs. Republicon. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #9
I blame the Democrats that enable them AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #10
exactly. obama + dem contolled congress would have achieved many good things hillary and bernie msongs Jun 2016 #11
The dems stopped being a true opposition party 35 years ago. CrispyQ Jun 2016 #12
Republicans could not have gotten away with as much as they did without corporate Dems. stillwaiting Jun 2016 #13
that's not the way history went Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #14
That is the DLC side of the story to justify their actions in taking over the Party. stillwaiting Jun 2016 #18
 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
1. Balance is good, imo.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jun 2016

We're never going to eliminate all Rs or all Ds. Or right-leaning or left-leaning folks. There will always be two sides, whether it's a label or not.

I wouldn't want it to be one-sided in either direction. Imagine ALL repubs ALL the time? No, thanks.

TwilightZone

(25,479 posts)
3. The best way to pursue a more progressive agenda is to give the president a Congress more amenable
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jun 2016

to one. The president can't do it alone, as has been evidenced for much of the past eight years.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
5. Stop making sense.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jun 2016

I've said this probably 100 times this election cycle, it doesn't matter if Clinton or Sanders wins the election come November if there isn't a big change in the House. Because the GOP and their supporters seem to be just fine with obstructionism.

Baitball Blogger

(46,757 posts)
4. Unfortunately, neo-liberals are not an effective counter-balance
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:40 PM
Jun 2016

to whatever anarchy ails the Republican party. Quite to the contrary. They believe a little wiggling of the rules is a necessary evil. That's what they mean when they say that compromise is what is called for to get things done in this country.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
16. no, they are not. But they are a symptom of a larger problem.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jun 2016

Conservative ideology has ruled this country for years and still holds immense power. Liberals have had a hard time thriving in that environment.

Yes, in some places they do, but so many places, Dems are unelectable still.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
6. I remember watching the Vice Presidential debates in 2000, Joementum vs Cheney
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jun 2016

I swear they spent more time agreeing with and praising each other than they did disagreeing. I ended up turning it off in disgust. No wonder Gore couldn't get enough votes, his running mate was stabbing him in the back.

And then look where that little weasel ended up in 2008, on stage at the RNC with the Palins.

Sorry, the Democrats chose the path they took and we are seeing the fruits of that path now.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
7. I think it's difficult for a lot of people, namely progressives, to understand
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jun 2016

That the nation as a whole isn't as left-leaning as they'd like it to be. Otherwise, we'd be supporting Bernie as the nominee instead of Clinton.

Having lived in Missouri, Virginia, Pennsylvania and Maryland has given me a fairly good cross-section of every day Dems and though all my friends and I are extremely progressive, most Dems aren't.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
8. I dont. Real dems could have used tools to block repug bills, but they went along, bribed or afraid
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:53 PM
Jun 2016

of losing their next term. Dems have been weak in congress, even complicit. If trump wins, the dems will pass his Supremes without a fight. I like having 4/4 on the bench if repugs get in the WH

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
9. I have a problem with the division of Democrat vs. Republicon.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jun 2016

The ideologies are not clearly divided by Party. While all the Republicons are conservative to the max, there are Democrats that are also conservative. The New-Democrats figured out they could appeal to some of the Democratic base by supporting some social programs and yet keep their very conservative ideologies with re. to foreign policy, national security vs. Constitutional rights and the Economy. In other worlds by support a few social issues they can still make their billions and trillions off of wars, environmental exploitation and economic policies that favor the Wealthy. While we may see some movement in social justice issues with another New-Democrat admin, we will also see the wealth gap continue it's destructive growth. We may end up in the poor farm but allowed to have same sex marriage.

msongs

(67,440 posts)
11. exactly. obama + dem contolled congress would have achieved many good things hillary and bernie
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jun 2016

both want now. minority dems can only block where possible but cannot move forward. obama did a good job under the
circumstances

CrispyQ

(36,509 posts)
12. The dems stopped being a true opposition party 35 years ago.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:33 PM
Jun 2016

They feed at the same corporate trough the repubs feed at. They toss The People a few more crumbs than the repubs do, but they are not looking to change the status quo. With each election they veer further to the right.

Obama is just an icon for dem leadership in this cartoon. HRC will take the party even further to the right.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
13. Republicans could not have gotten away with as much as they did without corporate Dems.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:02 PM
Jun 2016

Corporate Dems do not FIGHT the Republicans. On the contrary, they fall all over themselves clamoring for bipartisanship with them which LEGITIMIZES the Republican Party.

They should not be legitimizing them. They should be destroying them.

Republicans could not have done what they have done without their partners in crime, the corporate Dems.

If Democrats FOUGHT for average Americans by exposing the Republicans, average Americans would know. They really would. And, Democrats would have control of Congress for decades again. Bernie beats Trump by FAR more than HRC.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
14. that's not the way history went
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jun 2016

Reaganism killed conventional liberalism, hence the rise of corporate Dems.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
18. That is the DLC side of the story to justify their actions in taking over the Party.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 05:35 PM
Jun 2016

Nothing more than that.

Corporate Dems made inroads in to the Party prior to Reagan which might have been partly to blame for the public's embrace of Reagan.

DLC Corporate Dems consolidated power with the Clintons and have not let go since. They will be firmly entrenched for another decade with HRC in the White House. This will not be good for most Americans, but it will be fantastic for the top 5-10%.

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