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tom-servo

(185 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:25 AM Jun 2016

Bernie Sanders' speech was well executed...

... like it or not, he is the legitimate head of a progressive movement. I'm not sure the democratic party is worthy of the movement, but strategically, electing Hillary Clinton over Trump helps his movement. Fighting for the nomination continues to cement the movements goals and will help decide what should happen in the general election and beyond.

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tom-servo

(185 posts)
4. Several progressive movements have been in place...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:29 AM
Jun 2016

... there isn't only one. His is the most vibrant I've seen in awhile.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
3. Those "progressive" things? They are Democrat things. Democrats been working for them for years
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:28 AM
Jun 2016

The difference is, Democrats know that it takes more than just a President to get things moving and done. They know it also takes Congress. Bernie didn't think about that part, so he only backed a single person running for a Senate seat. Hillary? Well she went to fundraisers that raised money for many Democrat candidates, and Bernie criticized her for it. Maybe Bernie should have read up on how legislation woks.

tom-servo

(185 posts)
7. If Bernie Sanders plays it right...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:31 AM
Jun 2016

... his current crowd-funding drives will help a lot of local and state races.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
12. Indeed....can you tell me which downballot Dem
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:39 AM
Jun 2016

Or other fellow progressives got As Much from Bernie as the Rome trip?

jzodda

(2,124 posts)
5. and......
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:30 AM
Jun 2016

If he helps out against trump he can take his newfound power back to the Senate and if we retake it he can get things done.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
6. A movement without the means to get things done is just talk.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:31 AM
Jun 2016

You need the reins of power and that requires winning the White House, the Congress and the Supreme Court. That is now in Hillary's hands. Join in or be just a talking movement.

tom-servo

(185 posts)
9. I don't know if you've noticed...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:34 AM
Jun 2016

... but Hillary Clinton isn't that popular with the generation moving into power.

livetohike

(22,161 posts)
8. "Worthy of the movement?" LOL. Sanders wasn't even a registered Democrat
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:33 AM
Jun 2016

until recently. Do you think Mr. Independent is the only progressive in America?

The only revolution that is going to occur is the one in his head. He's not capable of leading anything.

tom-servo

(185 posts)
11. Heh...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:38 AM
Jun 2016

... of course, you're right, an independent democratic socialist getting almost half the delegates in a democratic party primary against a democratic party powerhouse is insignificant. The democratic party doesn't need to pay attention to that at all.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
13. His observation and acknowledgment that…
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:40 AM
Jun 2016

… Change happens from the ground up was a positive development that veered from his typical rhetoric. Aside from that, his speech yesterday left a lot to be desired.

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