She may have won, but why would anyone other than billionaires be happy about it?

[Ken Burch]

We had a chance to be a party of the people, instead of the rich...will we ever have that chance again?

And was preserving the status quo in the party and the country worth being this arrogant and heavy-handed about it?

Was it worth relentlessly accusing a good man of a flaw(indifference to bigotry)that everyone knows he doesn't have, that with his family background he simply could not have had?

This won't help women in any meaningful way and it won't lead to the changes we need.

It's a victory for cynicism, dismissiveness and the dead zone of the Nineties.

[tonyt53]

1. As of this morning over 3 million more were more glad of it than there were for Bernie.

I'm no millionaire, and I'm damned thrilled and proud of it.

[grasswire]

2. that number is not accurate.

so stop using it.

[sweetloukillbot]

4. Pray, how is it not accurate?

[Ken Burch]

10. "Pray"? Prithee, art though a minor character in Hamlet? n/t.

[TwilightZone]

17. You think Shakespeare was the only person to use "pray" in that manner.

You might want to get a grip.

[Ken Burch]

26. OK, the Quakers and the folks who did the King James Edition did too.

It was a joke.

[sweetloukillbot]

33. So, no answer. Thought not...

That's pretty much what I've come to expect from Sanders supporters. "Hillary is corrupt!" "How?" <crickets>
"The numbers aren't accurate!" "How?" <crickets>
Oh well, one more week of delusions...

[LAS14]

65. What are ???

[grasswire]

19. it does not count caucus votes for Bernie.

And, as you should know, Bernie WON many caucas states.

But you people keep using that untrue stat. Actually, the popular vote is close to a tie than not.

[sweetloukillbot]

37. Three million more people voted for Bernie in the caucuses??

[apcalc]

39. And she won BOTH primaries in caucus states...

Even tho they didn't count... Shows how inaccurate and undemocratic caucuses are...

If we had more primaries her margin would be larger...

[Lord Magus]

47. It is a completely true stat. And most caucues DO have popular vote totals.

Claiming the popular vote is "close to a tie" is an absolutely bonkers lie.

[lunamagica]

57. Even Sanders agrees with the numbers. He is always saying they got 9 million votes

[SoCalNative]

3. Because your candidate

"of the people" would never have been able to accomplish anything, just as he hasn't in his years in congress.

[TimPlo]

6. I understand many of you feel Vets are not important.

But Sanders time in Congress he has co-sponsored many bills helping Vets out. I guess some of you consider that nothing but I personal feel it was a lot but I might be bias because I am a Vet so I probably just want free stuff right? You think Vets are nothing and someone who has passed many bills to help us have done nothing.

http://vetsforbernie.org/bernies-veterans-bills/

[rhett o rick]

59. Not that that's true but if it were it would be better than what Hillary will accomplish.

The Republicons will run roughshod over the People and Hillary will be "forced" to sign the legislation. Welcome fracking in every backyard.

[Hiraeth]

5. Anyone that is satisfied with their lot in life and not concerned about others

and is happy with their little Wall Street Nest Egg.

[CrowCityDem]

7. We're happy because a brilliant woman is going to be keeping the White House in Dem hands.

And she is going to make progress on all the issues that progressives care about. Maybe it won't be as much progress as people want, but she will make life better for millions of Americans, the same way President Obama did.

[grasswire]

23. oh, good luck with that!

LOLOL

[geek tragedy]

8. ugh, stop the sanctimonious whining already nt

[wendylaroux]

9. I have no idea Ken Burch

I also ask the same of republican voters.

[BobbyDrake]

11. We ARE the party of the people. A large coalition of many people, not a monolithic block of them.

Which means you're welcome to join, but not strut around like you own the place, or try to dictate terms to a majority of other Democrats.

We'd love to have you on our side, but not if it means having to watch our backs for your knives.

[passiveporcupine]

60. You haven't talked to Brock lately have you?

Speaking of knives...

[BobbyDrake]

62. Haters to the left.

I don't think Revolution Messaging is going to be the resume-booster you thought it would be, not after this failure.

[passiveporcupine]

64. Haters? Brock is the hater.

And he's the leader of the pack. Or maybe you just haven't noticed because you like his style?

[warrprayer]

12. We never had a chance.

The Third Way was concieved specifically to prevent that possibility.

[Alex4Martinez]

13. I think if progressives lose this battle, the chance will never return.

Pushing 60, I've watched as we've lost more and more integrity in our voting and campaign system (as well as every in every other sector of our culture).

The best we can hope for with a Clinton presidency is a less rapid decline than with a Trump presidency, which means a decline nonetheless.

No, more decline means that TPTB will become stronger, the rest of us weaker, and no substantive changes will come in the way nominees are selected.

I can imagine in four or eight years there will just be a cable media event and the nominees will be presented in a faux reality TV show format like "the Apprentice" or, "the Real World".

And, apparently, that's what we deserve. Snooki, 2020!

[warrprayer]

22. Great tan. n/t

[passiveporcupine]

61. More like Miss America pageant

And they will probably be about as smart as some of our Miss America contestants. Not that all are brainless...but some sure are.

[eastwestdem]

14. The effort to be a party of the people will only succeed if a Dem gets the White House and then

appoints a liberal Supreme Court justice. In order for this to happen, we have to play by the rules currently in place. There is no way a candidate without corporate support and big money donors can beat the repubs who use those types of donors extensively.

All Democrats want to end Citizen's United. This is the only way. Losing with principles is only a good thing in movies.

[anotherproletariat]

32. Exactly!! nt

[passiveporcupine]

63. 'All Democrats want to end Citizen's United'

No they don't. I've already seen at least one poster here (a Hill supporter) who is in favor of Citizen's United.

The wealthy don't think like the rest of them. They know it works in their favor, so they are OK with it.

[Broward]

15. Well said, nt.

[MyNameGoesHere]

16. I'm not a billionaire and I think it's Glorious

absolutely Glorious! Don't you feel Glorious?

[Ken Burch]

20. That we seem to have nominated the most conservative person we could have chosen?

That a major part of her victory involved falsely accusing her opponent and his supporters of not caring about racism, sexism, and homophobia(when there was never any reason to make such accusations)?

I'll grant that HRC is competent. That she's capable of being president.

But at this point, she represents the existing order, and there is no reason for any Democrat to do that.

I'll campaign for her...but she never had to run by fighting to stop the Sanders movement.

[MyNameGoesHere]

25. Glorious! Eom

[Ken Burch]

28. It's glorious that workers and the poor lost?

HRC represents a strictly economic royalist strand of feminism...one that lets capitalism totally off of the hook for what it does to women.

[MyNameGoesHere]

30. It's Glorious and I won't play the game

Because it is Glorious!

[Ken Burch]

35. It would only be glorious if she was to the left of everyone else.

Just nominating a woman, by itself, isn't anything.

How much did it mean, for example, when Mondale nominated Geraldine Ferraro? The same Geraldine Ferraro who had just tried to remove the endorsement of the ERA from the platform?

[auntpurl]

41. That's only true if you are far to the left.

Being the furthest-left Democrat running in a primary is not a point in the candidate's favor, to me and to lots of other voters. I oppose the Republicans by every meaningful measure. But I am not far-left.

I'm a moderate Democrat, and I am thrilled with this result. I am also not a billionaire, just in case that was in any doubt.

[lunamagica]

58. "The poor" overwhelmingly voted for her

[LuvLoogie]

18. There is no greater negative impact on one's life

than one's own calcified inertia.

Hillary pushes and pushes and gets back up when she slips and loses ground.

She busts her ass, always has. That's why I support her. That's why she succeeds.

[grasswire]

50. that's just silly

She makes uncountable reckless mistakes. She attracts drama because of her own bad decisions. And then she drags the American people through all the trauma. She allows herself to be a punching bag because of her own failures.

She's always flailing, yes. But that is the mark of someone without integrity, principles and ethics who keeps getting caught and tries to turn that into a sympathy vote.

[LuvLoogie]

54. You flail at a straw caricature, while Hillary prepares for November.

People do that, get left with a pile of hay while she has moved on.

[grasswire]

55. tell it to the FBI. nt

[okasha]

21. Duck and cover

Shards of glass are falling.

[Ken Burch]

24. None of us mind that part. HRC's gender was never the issue with Sanders supporters.

By itself, electing a woman isn't anything, though.

A war is still a war and still just as immoral and unwinnable if it's a female president leading it.

[Kelvin Mace]

27. All hail the Bush-Clinton Dynasty!

Praise be unto eternal war.

A blessing on our Wall Street Masters from whom all riches flow.

[guillaumeb]

29. The struggle continues. To think otherwise is to give in to defeatism.

All change is not national in scope.

[Ken Burch]

31. You're right. n/t.

[Blue_Tires]

34. Am I going to have to read posts like this daily until November?

Just asking...

And PLEASE let's not get into which camp was arrogant, heavy-handed, or shouted out baseless accusations... Your side has hands just as dirty as ours, so don't make yourself into innocent angels after the fact...

[apcalc]

36. I'm thrilled and obviously we disagree

On what this will mean . She is a fabulous Democratic candidate, and most Democrats agree.

[Jack Bone]

38. and pretty much made Trump a shoo-in nt

friggin' idiots

[NCTraveler]

40. .

[arely staircase]

42. 13 million billionaires voted in the primaries?

Damn

[Ken Burch]

44. We don't have to fight wars just to show we can fight wars.

Every conflict we're in in the Middle East is war for war's sake. We should only fight to defend our own territory.

And if you see a very moderate social democrat as a "socialist lunatic", you couldn't be progressive on much of anything.

[Tarc]

45. 13,049,190 people do not share this point-of-view

[brooklynite]

46. So there as 12 million Billionaires in the Democratic Party?

Here's to the Obama recovery.

[auntpurl]

49. I'm thrilled to find out I'm a billionaire.

I'll have to tell my husband when he gets home - I'mma buy us an island!

[Lord Magus]

48. "We had a chance to be a party of the people" by ignoring the people's votes?

[pandr32]

51. We are very happy about it

...and guess what? Am not even close to being a billionaire

This WILL help women...please explain why it would not
How will this not help make positive change?

[seabeyond]

53. The voters don't buy your shit Ken.

[jack_krass]

56. HRC gives hope to insider and 1% wannabees everywhere

[senz]

66. She has not won. She can't reach 2383 delegates because the contest is too close.

The two candidates will have to wait for the SDs to vote on July 25.