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brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:04 AM Jun 2016

Occam's Razor...

Option 1: The Clinton campaign, the DNC and the "corporate media" conspired to announce Superdelegates support in an attempt to quash turnout tomorrow, INCLUDING States Clinton is expected to win easily, with the goal of winning the nomination an entire 24 hours earlier

Option 2: The AP, able to see the likelihood that Clinton would win the nomination tomorrow, decided to do some old-fashioned journalistic research and get a jump on the competition.

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Occam's Razor... (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2016 OP
NOOOOO. It's a conspiracy I tell you. I conspiracy. A fuckin' coup. onenote Jun 2016 #1
Callouts are against tos. PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #2
I think quoting a post is within bounds... brooklynite Jun 2016 #4
It's option 1. The only state in question tomorrow is California Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #3
...and Clinton would get enough delegates from NJ to make California moot... brooklynite Jun 2016 #6
There are other things at stake here besides the presidency Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #8
The grassroots progressive left already seems to feel plenty empowered. YouDig Jun 2016 #12
needs more empower Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #15
Can't they just convince themselves that it's a big corporate conspiracy and empower themselves YouDig Jun 2016 #16
that's not a very empowering feeling actually Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #17
That's what HA Goodman and Seth Abramson are for. To tell everyone that Bernie won no matter what. YouDig Jun 2016 #18
What they needed were votes. baldguy Jun 2016 #23
Apparently NBC was calling SD's too PepperHarlan Jun 2016 #5
They probably didn't expect to be "first." joshcryer Jun 2016 #10
precisely. PepperHarlan Jun 2016 #11
And the supers are elected officials, their numbers are public. joshcryer Jun 2016 #13
Option 3 Miles Archer Jun 2016 #7
A couple of AP reporters made phone calls to have an accurate count... joshcryer Jun 2016 #9
The SD's could have held it close till tomorrow, IF they wanted to. This is not BootinUp Jun 2016 #14
And they would have had Hillary camp not green lighted. morningfog Jun 2016 #20
What green light? In fact reports indicate they were BootinUp Jun 2016 #21
Right. Total coincidence. morningfog Jun 2016 #22
Lazy non-exhaustive list of options. morningfog Jun 2016 #19

onenote

(42,714 posts)
1. NOOOOO. It's a conspiracy I tell you. I conspiracy. A fuckin' coup.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:09 AM
Jun 2016

Feels as bad as when JFK was assassinated.

(And yes, that last one is from a real DU post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2144160

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
3. It's option 1. The only state in question tomorrow is California
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:10 AM
Jun 2016

Please tell me you don't think 20+ superdelegates all randomly and independently decided to call the AP the night before the California primary to announce their choice, and they did it without talking to the campaign.
 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
8. There are other things at stake here besides the presidency
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:15 AM
Jun 2016

A Bernie victory in California would make the grassroots progressive left feel very empowered.

It would also be a personal embarrassment for Hillary Clinton.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
16. Can't they just convince themselves that it's a big corporate conspiracy and empower themselves
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:50 AM
Jun 2016

like that? It's always worked in the past.

 

PepperHarlan

(124 posts)
5. Apparently NBC was calling SD's too
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:12 AM
Jun 2016

They just got beat. I wouldn't be surprised if the NYT, ABC and CBS were working on being first too. The construct that this was some dark arts trick is ludicrous and reeks of sour grapes.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
13. And the supers are elected officials, their numbers are public.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:29 AM
Jun 2016

"Hello, X SDs office, how may I help you?"

"Hi, I'm from the AP, does X SD still support the candidate or making a change to support a candidate."

"Answering in the affirmative or providing new info."

"Our records show X SDs position has changed since last time we asked, can you confirm this please."

"We can confirm."

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
7. Option 3
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:14 AM
Jun 2016

Option 3: The AP decided to to get a jump on the competition.

Everything else in option 2 is fluff. It wasn't "old-fashioned journalistic research." They just wanted a scoop, they wanted some sensationalism, they wanted people talking about AP. And they are.

It's not a matter of choosing between crazed conspiracy theories and an act of journalistic integrity.

This was a crap move, and there are more than a few "H->" posters saying the same thing tonight.



joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
9. A couple of AP reporters made phone calls to have an accurate count...
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:18 AM
Jun 2016

...for Tuesday night. They found that Clinton had the requisite number to win. They reported their findings.

BootinUp

(47,165 posts)
21. What green light? In fact reports indicate they were
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:09 AM
Jun 2016

being told to hold their pledges. They have their own minds and beliefs and all just like you do.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
19. Lazy non-exhaustive list of options.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 01:04 AM
Jun 2016

Option 3: Hillary wanted to deflect from or prevent clinching with a loss in California.

Option 4: Hillary was concerned that trump would get more positive media from his CA results than she of poor results.

Option 5: Hillary wants Bernie to drop out and this will lead to a chorus tomorrow.

There are many many more options.

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