2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPoll: Now that we have the nominee should Skinner call it?
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yes no reason to continue this until the 16th | |
22 (27%) |
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no he stated the 16th and should stick to it | |
51 (61%) |
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other | |
10 (12%) |
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Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)And call it when he said he would.
LonePirate
(13,426 posts)TwilightZone
(25,472 posts)Eugene
(61,903 posts)That still makes sense.
MADem
(135,425 posts)our presumptive nominee, just because the other team is mad that their guy didn't go the distance, is not on.
He might not get 'em all, but the ones that are cautioned will serve as a warning to others. There needs to be a glide slope where as the days pass to the "cut off," that this kind of trash talking just is not tolerated.
Juries could start getting the spirit, too.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)'He might not get 'em all, but the ones that are cautioned will serve as a warning to others.'
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Mika
(17,751 posts)Perfect.
MADem
(135,425 posts)are childishly and bitterlyl intent upon kicking the dog on the way out the door as they insult, snark and mock...all to No Discernable Effect.
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onecaliberal
(32,865 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Your post makes a strong argument for Skinner moving the date up. No need to let the Greens and Republicans to keep bashing the party.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Skinner has no choice
DWS had a choice and abused it
Clinton had chiices and abused it
Skinner...calling it before Bernie concedes or the Convention making a decision...is an abusive chiice
Same as AP
The AP is suppose to report the news....not make the news (falsely)
Skinner sits (probably frustrated to do so) in silence
Except to come out and say.... By imprimatur ...it is decided {prematurely} and we are to all get over it.
I owe him much...because he's allowed me to stay here when Adam B's gang clobbered me off from DK
But that's a matter if money..should I get back millions stolen from me.
All this is just wrong....so very VERY wrong;
and I wish he had said so.
But he hasn't
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I'm fine either way
Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)Whimsey
(236 posts)Just because he filed as a democrat for the election does not make him a democrat anymore than Trump is a republican!
Move On to the democratic nominee!
I'm sixty and have had my share of disappointments in who got the nomination. I lived with it and moved on. If you cannot live with Hillary then move on to a different party!
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)What matters is what the person stands for, not the party label alone.
Bernie is closer to what the values of the Democratic Party are than HRC can ever be.
True Dems are never comfortable giving speeches to the rich.
Whimsey
(236 posts)Bernie has chosen throughout his adult life not to run as a democrat. Why? I have been a democrat for 42 years. I have not always voted democratic because I am not an ideologue but it is my home base. I am very liberal on social issues but less so on financial issues. Probably because I was a math major in college and an attorney in law school and I understand finance and law.
Ideas are great but implementation is another thing when you are a member of an elected body. I was also on a school board of seven where everyone had their own agenda.
Hillary has dealt with that and understands the need to compromise. Bernie refuses to do so. And he refuses to consider any way but his way. And his mostly white entitled supporters feel the same. So yeah, I am not going to support another white male who has had all the privilege this country can offer but cannot be as successful as he wants to be, (and all of his supporters who feel the same-that it is the fault of the system and not their own shortcomings).
Bernie is more than happy to live like the rich when he has his supporters paying for it - his campaign paid over $600,000 to send 10 members of his family to his trip in Italy to visit the pope. So do not talk about his aversion to the rich. His reason for not getting out is to continue to live high on the hog on your dime!
And why has he not presented his tax returns at the same time he is criticizing Hillary's speaking fees? Because they will show his income was in the top 1%. Look up the Burlington's free press article on Jane Sanders and her destruction of the college. Her salary combined with his put them in the top 1%.
Read the paper instead of just idiotic postings!
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Your entire post was nothing but the HRC "line".
33taw
(2,444 posts)Whimsey
(236 posts)Chris Matthew was questioning the campaign on this tonight. The reply was that Jane and Bernie were too busy to go home and Xerox them. Share the link if in fact the have been released. I would love to see them.
FSogol
(45,491 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)now that he's tried for the brass ring under our banner.
If he goes back to (I), I think the Democratic party should consider reviewing their eligibility rules. There are a variety of independent parties that are incorporated, and people who don't want to identify as Dems should try to grow one of those organizations rather than try to co-opt/hijack ours. People claim to want a multi-party system? Get to work and grow some.
And this over-use of the word "smear" needs to cease. It is not a "smear" to notice that a guy who mocked and insulted the Democratic party in the past coughed, hemmed and hawed as he finally admitted he was "running as a Democrat." Not "I am a Democrat" but "running as" one--sort of like "I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV."
There's a degree of separation there. I don't think the DNC should do that again.
Hekate
(90,716 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Splinter Cell
(703 posts)....a fuckin' loss in November.
Whimsey
(236 posts)A loser.
Splinter Cell
(703 posts)Idiotic Hillbots have flushed 2016 down the shitter.
This country would not elect a socialist. Bernie and Jane have gotten a free pass to this point just like Trump did in the primary. Were he the general election candidate it would not have been pretty.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I heard it between the lines in your first post. You sure have a hangup about labels.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)And listen you can hear the conservative wind whispering " socialist...socialist"
Whimsey
(236 posts)Bernie is a democratic socialist. That means he is a socialist first, but believes in democratic voting (except when he is behind in the pledged delegates.
I am a social democrat. A democrat first, who believes the inequities of a capitalist system needs to be countered by government safety nets and regulations. I believe Hillary fits in this category.
There is a difference.
And labels do matter in an election. Bernie would be trounced with this label in a general election and the democrats would lose.
That is the reality, like it or not.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)If Sanders concedes on Wednesday, close GD-P on Thursday. If Sanders concedes on the 15th after DC, close GD-P on the 16th. If Sanders takes it to the convention, close it one day after the balloting ends.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)she says or does while Hillary's supporters will be able to attack Bernie at will for staying in
or is that what what your looking forward to?
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)I am not going to be a gracious winner until your side stops making shit up about the primary and us and Hillary ect.
I don't give a god damn whether you vote in November or not
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azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I will ah curtailing my participation here
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)No point moving up the date because it was called 1 day before people expected.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)This is going to be a nasty 10 days
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azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Contrary1
(12,629 posts)itsrobert
(14,157 posts)No?
osaMABUSh
(2,195 posts)The FBI speaks can we open it back up for the Second Primary season?
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Rip the bandaid off and let the echo chamber rage.
andym
(5,444 posts)But this horrible GDP forum should never have existed in the first place. It encourages too much personal enmity and too little intelligent discussion of the issues.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...during the FLA recount--outrageously unfair, outrageously arrogant!
HOW DARE these !@#$% Corrupt Media interfere with an election in this way!
I'm a Californian, goddammit, and I HAVE HAD IT with the Clinton Network, the Associated Pukes and the rest of the Pigsty Media!!!
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)...which gets us to the 16th.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)That way we don't have to feel bad when they leave.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)Hell you will likely lead it
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)And I'm damn sure against the BOBers this go around.
And I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
senz
(11,945 posts)To win the 2016 Democratic primary, a candidate must have 2,383 delegates.
As of June 6th, Hillary has 1,812 pledged delegates and Bernie has 1,526 pledged delegates. That's a difference of 286 delegates.
To reach 2,383 before the convention, Hillary would need 571 more pledged delegates and Bernie would need 857 more pledged delegates.
The states that vote tomorrow and the number of pledged delegates available from each:
CA -- 475
MT -- 21
NJ -- 126
NM -- 34
ND -- 18
SD -- 20
D.C. has 20 delegates and votes on June 14.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/
It is virtually impossible for either candidate to reach 2,383 pledged delegates from the remaining states. Since the pledged delegates alone don't confer 2,383, the superdelegate votes at the convention will make up the difference and decide the nomination.
The AP announced tonight that Hillary had "won," even though she hasn't. They made this announcement before the seven remaining primaries had been held. It will depress voter turnout and is an an act of sabotage.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Skinner isn't going to use Bernie Sanders' phony rule about pretending we have no idea how superdelegates will vote before the convention.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)How about we wait until she actually wins the nomination?
nilram
(2,888 posts)Footnotes provided for the sarcasm impaired.
* As in, affirmative.
** As in, those who support the Clinton regimes.
*** As in, a done deal, and not an aged one.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Let everyone vote in our primary. Only a contender can 'suspend', quit or concede primary at this point.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Whimsey
(236 posts)In the Spring he was stating the use of superdelegates was undemocratic and should not determine the election. But now that they are his only path to the nomination he, and his supporters, are asserting they should determine the election. Democracy in Action!
And hypocritical.
No politician, including Bernie, has pure motives. And they are all ambitious.
Contrary1
(12,629 posts)That's allowed.
I didn't think Bernie supporters allowed evolution. Wouldn't it dilute his purity?
Contrary1
(12,629 posts)Anyone else who does it is a hypocrite.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Having said he'll leave it to the 16th before going into election mode, Skinner should hold himself to that.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)coyote
(1,561 posts)He knows who butters his bread.