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It's not all bad, Bernie
You got to travel the country in a chartered jet, let other people drive you everywhere, fly first class to Rome, score tickets to Hamilton and watch the Warriors in one of the best seats in the house. In other word, you go to do more in year than most of us do in a lifetime.......all on other people's $27.
So as you go home to Vermont one last time in that private jet, smile.
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Trust Buster
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wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And the damage done by greed is just as intolerable as the damage done by homophobia.
If Bernie hadn't run, we'd have had only conservatism in the primaries. HRC would have run on Bill's 1996 platform(the one she has no major disagreements with).
Millions were inspired by the Sanders campaign to fight for a better world. Few people who aren't bankers are stoked about the idea of your candidate entering the White House. Fine, she's competent, but she's the status quo and incapable of being anything else unless pushed massively from below.
In a year or so, if(as I fully expect)she throws the LGBTQ community under the bus again, it will be Sanders people marching with you to protest that...and big HRC donors cheering when the cops shoot the pepper spray.
think
(11,641 posts)By Ernest A. Canning - March 10, 2016, 06:00 am
The story, as originally recounted by James V. Grimaldi and Rebecca Ballhaus of The Wall Street Journal, was, of itself, deeply troubling. In March 2009, after meeting with Swiss Foreign Minister Micheline Calmy-Rey, then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton intervened with the U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) on behalf of Switzerland's most powerful banking institution, UBS. The IRS, which at that time was seeking the identity of wealthy Americans who had stashed some $20 billion in 52,000 tax evading UBS accounts, then agreed that the Swiss bank need only turn over information on 4,450 accounts. Afterwards, UBS increased its previous $60,000 in donations to the Clinton Foundation ten-fold. By the end of 2014, UBS donations to the Clinton Foundation totaled $600,000. UBS also "paid former President Bill Clinton $1.5 million to participate in a series of question-and-answer sessions with UBS Wealth Management Chief Executive Bob McCann, making UBS his biggest single corporate source of speech income disclosed since he left the White House."
Those facts, of themselves, raise disturbing questions. Did a bank that still ranks as "the world's biggest wealth manager" and has at its disposal a bevy of economists and law firms have a legitimate reason for paying Bill Clinton $1.5 million in speaking fees? Or was the $1.5 million and the tenfold increase in Clinton Foundation donations a reward for the former secretary of State's intervention? If the latter, that reward would have, under federal law (18 U.S.C. § 201(c)(1)(A)), amounted to an illicit bribe.
But there's a more troubling question that arises. There can be little doubt that a media firestorm would ensue if a former president were to accept a lucrative speaking fee from the Mafia. Should the reaction be any different when the speaking fee comes from "banksters" who defrauded the U.S. government?
That's the true context here, according to a Feb. 18, 2009 U.S. Department of Justice (DoJ) press release that discussed the details of an unsealed "criminal information" and a "deferred prosecution agreement." The DoJ alleges that UBS did much more than permit wealthy Americans to stash billions in tax evading offshore accounts. In direct violation of a 2000 agreement with the IRS, Swiss bankers traveled to the U.S. 3,800 times to foster the elicit business and "used encrypted laptops and other counter-surveillance techniques to help prevent the detection of their marketing efforts and the identities and offshore assets of their U.S. clients."...
Read more:
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/presidential-campaign/272396-the-clintons-and-the-sordid-ubs-affair
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)think
(11,641 posts)
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts).....As if your candidate didn't do the same - for the last 20+ years.
msongs
(67,420 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)There was nothing bad in his decision to run and nothing would be better if HRC had been given an unchallenged coronation.
All Bernie is guilty of is fighting for the people against the rich. That is his only crime here.
Turin_C3PO
(14,004 posts)say something about not being a sore winner? This kind of rhetoric is ridiculous and makes DU suck.
Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If you actually have won, shouldn't you all be happy, rather than vindictive?
melman
(7,681 posts)and have no intention of trying.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)This is who you are and this is who your candidate is.
Enjoy your win, I hope it's sweet.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)We've run a campaign on the issues.
None of this was about Bernie having privilege or ego. None of this was about personal gain.
Bernie ran because if he hadn't, we'd have had no progressive candidates in the race at all.
You have no reason to be this dismissive or this bitter.
Neither Bernie nor any of the rest of us did anything to you.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)He has never shown even a moment of hypocrisy and has never been driven by ego or a desire for privilege in his campaign.
And he never owed it to the party to NOT run.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Nothing else would have had any impact.
And your candidate is naturally going to avoid working for change on any issues that aren't totally nonthreatening to the 1%. She is progressive only on issues that require no sacrifices from the rich and that won't put anyone's privilege in question.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I'll leave the autocorrect as is
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)You can't fight for those with nothing and take big checks from the wealthy at the same time.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The "hate and condescension" was from the right-wing infiltrators pretending to be Sanders supporters. That was never part of the actual campaign.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)went ahead and did it for them, because if I could speak freely, that would be the outcome.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)There were plenty of fringe benefits.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Why is it so important to you that the Democratic Party be a party of the rich and of war and of the status quo?
It's never good for the country when we blur the differences between us and the right.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)And it's not as if we've ever got anything worthwhile done by saying "fuck principles".
Ken Burch
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Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)i doubt you would understand.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)He only used private jets when he had Secret Service protection.
Why are you being like this tonight?
Don't you WANT Sanders votes for your candidate in the fall?
If the situation was reversed, there's no way we'd be treating your side like this.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)On Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:34 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
It's not all bad, Bernie
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Taunting people hurts the goal of party unity. As Skinner says, "We will never get past the primary if sore winners choose to keep trashing Bernie Sanders." http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1259&pid=10561
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NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)dchill
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AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)Again, people's lives are at stake, our egos are worthless to aid them....and neither one of those candidates will lose sleep tonight if you or I fall off this planet at this very moment never to be seen or heard from again, but other Durs might care...
Priorities are important......
He said, she said, but who actually paid attention to what has been happening in our government for far far too long.....
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)And when Bernie does fly back to Vermont he deserves to smile happily for he called out the worst parts of the party politics on a national stage for well over a year.
And he showed that.even a grumpy old hippy liberal from a tiny state can make a massive political machine like HRC worry about her future with a simple story of economic fairness and social justice.
I'm more proud of Bernie than ever.
Take as many wretched and despicable shots as you like - Bernie accomplished something no other Democrat could.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)You people are talking out of two sides of your mouth: on the one hand calling for unity and saying it's time for everyone to come together and get on board, and on the other posting crap like this that does nothing but alienate us.
