2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum2016 Is NOT Remotely Comparable to 2008
President Obama had a great record and had campaigned as a progressive.
President Obama was not under any investigations of any kind, especially FBI investigations.
President Obama was against the Iraq war
President Obama campaigned for peace
ETC......
Hillary is under FBI investigation
Hillary disregarded FOIA rules and the public's right to transparency and access to the historical record
Hillary has a demonstrated record of repetitive lies
Hillary has a record of implementing reckless regime change in the Middle East
Hillary has a record of supporting anti-democratic coups in Honduras
Hillary has a record of making promises to voters about FTAs, then lobbying for them and voting with Republicans and against Democrats for them
HIllary has a record of supporting a right wing regime in Colombia that brutalized union organizers
Hillary has accepted massive speaking fees from big banks, big pharma, etc and refuses to release the transcripts
Hillary cites as role models such war criminals and Neo Cons as Kissinger and Kagan
Hillary championed the TPP
Hillary's senate record shows she promised to rein in the big banks and fight inequality and loopholes for the wealthy, but instead upheld tax loopholes for big hedge funds and investors
Hillary is on tape and video saying she is "adamantly against illegal immigrants" and voted many times for a border wall
Plus, many more differences.
So, bottom line is: there IS NO comparison between this primary cycle and the one in 2008
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Hillary will be the presumptive nominee in 24 hours.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)See you then...
Tarc
(10,476 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)What a reunion it will be!
floriduck
(2,262 posts)But she wrangled the SOS position from Obama as she began her run for 2016. If Bernie is not the nominee, he will hand off the movement to others. That's why she clung so tightly to Obama, at least she said that, so she could slip in behind him when his term expires.
Bernie and Hillary are not even close in ideology. Hillary is a corporatist and Bernie is a middle class kind of guy.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)And against a woman using same super delegates....either sexism or hypocrisy or both
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)who was declared the presumptive nominee or give a hoot who had the most SDs back then. He wasn't even in the Dem Party in and had no skin in their game. He cares now because it's him, a progressive Dem, up against one of the same corporatists who ran in 2008. The game is rigged against a populist candidate like Sanders, as Debbie Wasserman Schultz acknowledged. No sexism or hypocrisy required.
annavictorious
(934 posts)and only behind by 127 pledged delegates.
In 2008, neither candidate joined a political party only to exploit its resources and then complained of a "rigged system" because he didn't like the rules that were in place in 2008.
In 2016, the race is not nearly as close as it was in 2008, and in 2016 the loser is losing in every way and by every metric.
And one other key difference, in 2008 the person who lost did not feel...what's the word?...entitled to undo the will of the voters.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I don't want to refight the 2008 primaries, but her argument about the popular vote was total BS. She was only ahead in votes if you counted 1 state where Obama wasn't on the ballot, one state where nobody campaigned and she won by default as the most well-known candidate, and didn't count all the caucus participants in states that did not release raw vote totals from caucuses.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)By NBC and AP