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bigtree

(85,996 posts)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:39 AM Jun 2016

A) Weaver walked into that tax return question like it was a phone pole...

Last edited Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:13 AM - Edit history (2)

Sara Bee ?@Sara_Laffs 11h11 hours ago
A) Weaver walked into that tax return question like it was a phone pole B) I don't ever want Barney Frank mad at me


Amy Siskind @Amy_Siskind
MUST SEE: (skip to 9:15) @hardball_chris sets a trap for Jeff Weaver on Sanders' tax returns, & Weaver gets caught! https://t.co/56uJGR92Ej


...I haven't watched Tweety in years (yes, years), but I thoroughly enjoyed this Hardball segment.

WATCH:


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A) Weaver walked into that tax return question like it was a phone pole... (Original Post) bigtree Jun 2016 OP
It was a masterpiece Renew Deal Jun 2016 #1
Matthews delivered it like a pro bigtree Jun 2016 #3
For everyone's delectation, here's the embedded YouTube version: Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #23
thanks! bigtree Jun 2016 #24
Welcome! Disregard my post further down... Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #26
"Deer in headlights" moment for Weaver. nt oasis Jun 2016 #2
I took much joy in that as well! boston bean Jun 2016 #4
The one thing I wish he would have done... CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #5
I wonder how Sander's campaign would have gone if he had better managers than Weaver and Devine. FSogol Jun 2016 #6
I've been wondering that for a while Recursion Jun 2016 #7
I have to wonder if it is not more about Sanaders. These two seem to work well with Sanders, and seabeyond Jun 2016 #17
one way the game was somewhat rigged against Sanders is that there just wasn't much geek tragedy Jun 2016 #10
O'Malley might make that claim too, but I disagree. Obama seemed to find new competent people. FSogol Jun 2016 #12
Obama was 'in the game' years before he announced his run nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #13
Not as long as Sanders' DECADES in Congress nt KittyWampus Jun 2016 #30
he was networking long before that. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #32
I think he hired people that fit his personality. He doesn't do homework or think things thru. Nt seabeyond Jun 2016 #18
Consistent with Senator "I"m not big into being a leader" and his approach to things nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #20
Jane Sanders also reaffirmed yesterday that the tax returns would be released thesquanderer Jun 2016 #8
I predicted that if he lost Pennyslvania and NY by double-digits they'd never release them geek tragedy Jun 2016 #11
Weaver is an amateur, looking to continue the gravy train and get every $$ he can. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #9
Weaver came out nasty and hitting hard. Sheepshank Jun 2016 #14
Wonder when he and Tad are going show their huge salaries??? nt Jitter65 Jun 2016 #15
yeah, Barney was amazing bigtree Jun 2016 #16
I'd love to know who decided that Weaver was the best choice to be the spokesman for the campaign brooklynite Jun 2016 #19
That would be Sanders wouldn't it? nt comradebillyboy Jun 2016 #31
I would have loved to see the expression on Barney Franks face during that segment. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #21
just a few more weks...we promise beachbum bob Jun 2016 #22
Bigtree, here's the YouTube version--easier viewing than clicking on the MSNBC link. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #25
I saw this piece. Weaver isn't the brightest bulb in the pack. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #27
Wow Dream Weaver got worked! CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #28
It'd be fair and balanced if ole yellow leg put HRCs butt nc4bo Jun 2016 #29
Bookmarking to watch later... SidDithers Jun 2016 #33
I am one of the biggest Clinton supporters on this board... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #34
I do not know that Clinton has any gotcha in her transcripts. I have heard pieces in the past. seabeyond Jun 2016 #35
There is no precedent for releasing speech transcripts... You are right... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #37
Said nice things about Bankers? Txbluedog Jun 2016 #39
Matthews handled that beautifully. cwydro Jun 2016 #36
That definitely was a ruh roh moment for Weaver... Peacetrain Jun 2016 #38

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
1. It was a masterpiece
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:43 AM
Jun 2016

Matthews sets him up by saying they're not attacking Trump. Weaver attacks Trump on taxes.

Matthews pounces. A work of art. A thing of beauty.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
3. Matthews delivered it like a pro
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:53 AM
Jun 2016

...even his body language and facial expression was perfect.

Weaver didn't appear to catch on, got caught up trying to make up ground criticizing Trump and eagerly jumped at that bone Chris threw at him.

He thought his answer about the one return they released would be fine, but Matthews didn't let him duck Sanders' promise to release all of his returns, and didn't let Weaver deflect with that thing about the Senate disclosure process.

Like you said, a thing of beauty.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
23. For everyone's delectation, here's the embedded YouTube version:
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:05 AM
Jun 2016


Matthews was at the top of his form. He set and then snapped that trap shut--Weaver was left flapping his gums like a beached fish. Delicious spectacle!

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
4. I took much joy in that as well!
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:00 AM
Jun 2016

finally the purity campaign asked a tough question regarding their "purity".

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
5. The one thing I wish he would have done...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jun 2016

would have been to frame the question slightly differently. It would have been even more damning if he had asked Weaver, "why does Senator Sanders believe voters should only see if he's telling the truth AFTER they've voted for him?"

FSogol

(45,487 posts)
6. I wonder how Sander's campaign would have gone if he had better managers than Weaver and Devine.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:04 AM
Jun 2016

Those guys are laughably inept.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
17. I have to wonder if it is not more about Sanaders. These two seem to work well with Sanders, and
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:25 AM
Jun 2016

seeing Sanders over the last month, I so not think they are out of Sanders perimeter. Saying, I think the are like mind and running the campaign the direction Sanders wants it. That is true to him. Starts at the top, and I do not think that there would be a difference in the campaign, because this is indicative of Sanders in his leadership role and his actions.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
10. one way the game was somewhat rigged against Sanders is that there just wasn't much
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:06 AM
Jun 2016

talent out there available to him--at that level.

Same thing goes for policy wonks--they all signed up with Clinton figuring that was their best chance to influence policy.

FSogol

(45,487 posts)
12. O'Malley might make that claim too, but I disagree. Obama seemed to find new competent people.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:13 AM
Jun 2016

Find some young Axelrod and give him the resources/aid to put together a young hungry team. Of course, it helps if you have more real life experience than the "supposers" at Reddit. It just proves that implementation of his ideas was never really on Sanders game plan.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
32. he was networking long before that.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:21 AM
Jun 2016

heck, after his 2004 convention speech they were flocking to him.

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
8. Jane Sanders also reaffirmed yesterday that the tax returns would be released
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:06 AM
Jun 2016

from http://www.app.com/story/news/politics/new-jersey/2016/06/01/jane-sanders-talks-bernie-chris-christie-and-tax-returns/85260376/

Mrs. Sanders said the IRS granted an extension on the returns and her husband would release them as soon as possible, though that's likely to be after the primaries are finished.


which is also consistent with what she said at the end of April

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-04-29/jane-sanders-says-bernie-sanders-to-release-tax-returns

The extension rationale doesn't explain withholding prior years, though.

I suspect that, if he concedes before the convention we'll never see them... but if he's going to continue to contest delegates right up to the convention, we will.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
11. I predicted that if he lost Pennyslvania and NY by double-digits they'd never release them
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:07 AM
Jun 2016

Not one of my worst predictions.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
14. Weaver came out nasty and hitting hard.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:19 AM
Jun 2016

I watched Barnie, adjusting his jacket and adjusting himself in his seat, while waiting his turn to respond. Barnie didn't dissapoint.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
16. yeah, Barney was amazing
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:24 AM
Jun 2016

...reminded Weaver that political discourse in this campaign has been a two-way street.

 

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)
28. Wow Dream Weaver got worked!
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:22 AM
Jun 2016


The facial expressions were priceless.

Two observations:

Dream Weaver is terrified of Frank. His jaw tensed up just as Tweety was introducing him. Terrified!

Dream Weaver has been in over his head from day one but nobody noticed until recently as the focus on the GOP race in the media wound down. But it may be worse than that. It doesn't look like the elevator may not go all the way to the top, if you know what I mean.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
29. It'd be fair and balanced if ole yellow leg put HRCs butt
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:58 AM
Jun 2016

On the hot seat for once and watch her squirm. So many excellent questions he could ask her about her, Billy and Chels - ya know Americans would appreciate some real investigative journalism about all the candidates not just the ones being propped up by cavemen like Matthews.

Yellow leg is no journalist or any sort of reporter. He's just a loudmouth empty beer can doing the master's bidding.

Noooooo, ole yellow leg only goes after Sanders showing clear favoritism to one candidate. Matthews is just a little man who is enamored with what he sees in the mirror. Tries to make himself important with bias bullying and rudeness. Instead he looks more like an angry Neanderthal.

So happy his wife lost to the better candidate.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
34. I am one of the biggest Clinton supporters on this board...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jun 2016

Ole Bernie and Daffy Donald won't release multi year tax returns for the same reason Hillary won't release her private transcripts; because there is stuff in them they don't want the voters to see... I suspect if we saw the transcripts and private returns we would learn Hillary said nice things about bankers, Trump is poorer than he holds himself out to be , and Bernie is richer than he holds himself out to be. I also think we would learn more about the Burlington College windfall...

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
35. I do not know that Clinton has any gotcha in her transcripts. I have heard pieces in the past.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:37 AM
Jun 2016

I think people may work hard at trying to find something, but I doubt they would. Out of principle, I would not release the transcripts. Who the hell is Sanders to make this demand. I personally do not see it as a legitimate demand and I would say no out of principle not because there si something to hide. Give him the transcripts and I betcha he would then simply make another demand to her.

Taxes are different in as it is precedent that they give out taxes. Not an out of the realm demand, but a consistency.

I really do not like equating transcripts and taxes as equal. I do not think the are.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
37. There is no precedent for releasing speech transcripts... You are right...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:44 AM
Jun 2016

I really am curious what is in Bernie's and Trump's tax returns.


I just believe Hillary isn't releasing her transcripts because she likely said nice things about bankers, call it ceremonial niceties...


I look at politicians as three dimensional beings, not cardboard saints. To do the latter is childish.

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
39. Said nice things about Bankers?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:49 PM
Jun 2016

I hope no one is gullible enough to believe the she was getting paid $250k a pop to tell them to go to hell to their faces

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
36. Matthews handled that beautifully.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:44 AM
Jun 2016

Weaver has seemed slimy to me from the beginning, but that was the icing on the cake.

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