There is one primary after June 14 and it carries as many delegates as CA and NY combined

[morningfog]

The super delegate primary is worth 714 delegates this year, 15% of the total pool of delegates.

They aren't bound and haven't voted yet. They won't vote in the super delegate primary until July 25-28.

If Bernie sticks with it until the convention, the race will continue not with appeals to common voters, but with appeals to the super delegates. Bernie will make his case as to why he is the stronger candidate and Hillary will seek to prevent defections in the shadow of an FBI criminal investigation.

We'd have about a month and a half of the leg of the race. A lot of news and headlines will come and go.

It will be interesting, for sure. Will there be any cracks in the super delegate damn from Hillary to Bernie? Doubtful at this point.

Meanwhile, the repub convention is a week prior to the Dem's. Trumpy and some scary doofus (Kim Jong un?) will accept he batshit nomination.

I wonder if/when Hillary will announce her VP?

I can see serious pressure and calls for Bernie to drop. But he has nothing to lose and everything to gain by staying in. He has the leverage. He's the thorn in the DNC's side that they want to go away. But he has the support of over 10 million voters. Only two candidate have every received more Democratic votes in a primary: Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama.

Come on! This is going to be fun!

[Zynx]

1. Brace yourself. Those superdelegates aren't moving.

[JonLeibowitz]

5. It is almost like you didn't read the OP

Let me help you out:

Will there be any cracks in the super delegate damn from Hillary to Bernie? Doubtful at this point.

[morningfog]

6. I wouldn't expect them to.

[rhett o rick]

9. You say that because you think they are bought and paid for. You think their standards are as low

as yours. Maybe, just maybe they will turn away from the corrupt culture of the Clinton/DWS campaign and do the right thing.

[Zynx]

22. She only had to get me pizza. My standards are super low.

I enjoy that you think that anyone who doesn't support Bernie must be inherently corrupt.

[rhett o rick]

39. I've never said that. Putting words into my mouth is so typical. I think those

that choose to back the Wealthy over the lower classes are either lazy, naive or just authoritarian followers. I left out immoral.

Goldman-Sachs not only doesn't care to help the poor, their profits are generally inversely proportional to the poverty rate.

There are two sides to this class war and Hillary Clinton-Sachs with her $150,000,000 in ill-gotten wealth (not counting the billions in her Foundation Retirement Plan) is not on the side of the 99%. Which side are you?

[zappaman]

58. Is this a parody of a progressive, Rick?

If so, I guess it's kinda funny.

[LuvLoogie]

2. He has

about two weeks

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. Jeff Zeleny just implied his White House sources said PBO will endorse as early as next Wednesday.

[morningfog]

4. That wouldn't surprise me. Bernie will turn into persona no grata

quickly.

But as I said he has little to lose and much to gain.

[Garrett78]

10. What does he have to gain?

He would no doubt lose some supporters, alienate the Democratic Party further, and the makeup of the platform committee is already settled. In the very unlikely event that Clinton doesn't get nominated, a brokered convention will choose someone other than Sanders. So, I ask again, what would Sanders have to gain?

[morningfog]

25. He would be the strongest candidate at a brokered convention.

He'll arrive with already 46+% of the pledged delegates and his handful of super delegates.

He'd be the only name for which any GE polling includes. He'd have his supporters. He'd have the narrative. Because a brokered convention would mean something siesmic had occrurred.

[geek tragedy]

28. He'd have that without trying to launch history's most pathetic

coup attempt.

[rhett o rick]

40. You do really hate democracy don't you. It's so messy.

[Demsrule86]

46. Electing Trump because of spite and anger at losing a primary is not democracy.

It is not 'messy' rather it would be tragic for millions...but Bernie and many of his supporters don't care about anyone but themselves.

[flor-de-jasmim]

59. unbelievable

[Joob]

7. Super delegates who have changed who they were going to vote for in the past

Don't make sense to be me, doesn't matter to me I'll find some other place to speak the truth without the threat of being silenced.

[GulfCoast66]

24. Always the victim

No one can silence you. You have the right to free speech.

[rhett o rick]

41. Wow. And you've been here how long?

[GulfCoast66]

48. Lurking a couple of years

Joined last December. And that matters how? Ironically, I do not love either of our candidates but will support the nominee. The post I was responding to, not one of yours mind you, was all about not being silenced. If the government attempts to silence him or her, I will be the first storming the ramparts. But he/she was complaining about being silenced in a private website.

Playing the victim. If someone does not like the rules here find a website more to your liking.

And the whole 'I have been here longer than you' thing is pretty sophomoric.

[merrily]

54. No deck has more victim cards than the one Hillary DU supporters play with.

Apparently, saying kitten heels are a fashion don't is not a matter of personal taste or elitism or anything else, just pure sexism!

Hillary supporters have taken once powerful words like sexism and misogyny and abused them so greatly and so often to try to help Hillary that the words have lost their power, much to the detriment of women who have neither money nor power.

[Doctor Jack]

8. I've seen too many threads proclaiming the end of Clinton

Since the middle of last year, there has always been a thread in the top recs section talking about how clinton is going to be charged by the FBI any time now or how she is going to be crushed in the primaries in such and such state or how the superdelegates are getting nervous and are going to move to Sanders. But nothing ever happens.

I got swept up in threads a week or two ago and thought that this could finally be it and sanders could win the nomination. And again, all false alarms. Nothing happened. All of the predictions and excitement were the same as they have been this whole time. Just phantom events and meaningless speculation. I have absolutely no confidence that the superdelegates are going to switch to sanders. And I don't just mean by the hundreds or even dozens. Right now I would be surprised if 1 switches this late in the game.

We are quickly leaving the space occupied by false hope and rapidly approaching delusion. I'm not going to tell anyone to give up or stop believing in whatever, but I can see exactly how crushing the next few weeks are going to be to many of you and it is going to be sad to watch.

[morningfog]

13. You mistake my op as some kind of an illusion.

It's going to be interesting, but I don't expect the end result to change. Hillary will be the nominee, but the race will continue as long a Bernie does.

I have no idea what's coming in the next two months. But as of now I don't expect any supers to switch. There are 148 who have not endorsed anyone yet.

I would agree that anyone who "believes" the outcome will be different or "hopes" that to be the case will be disappointed and are probably approaching delusion.

I think it will be facsinating regardless. And can, as a thought experiment, imagine different scenarios. But that doesn't mean I think any of them will occur.

[Doctor Jack]

16. Fair enough..nt

[Zynx]

23. No one will consider the race to be going except for Bernie.

After next Tuesday the whole thing will be over except the final counting in Philly.

[LuvLoogie]

35. if Bernie does not concede soon after the June 14th DC primary, He'll probably lose about half his

super delegates to Hillary.

[Demsrule86]

45. July is way to close to November for Bernie to continue anything

and if he does so...he risks the general and risks inflicting Trump on this country ...all branches of government and five Supreme picks...kiss all progressive accomplishments since Roosevelt goodbye...and don't tell me Bernie would have won...he wouldn't have ...no way America votes for a socialist who was also a conscientious objector and wants to raise payroll taxes to pay for programs that won't be as popular as the tax increases are unpopular. If Bernie waits until the July, it is a gift for Trump and endangers all Americans.

[morningfog]

49. That's nonsense. Bernie staying in through the convention

won't hurt our nominee.

You sound like you are already looking for excuses and scape goats.

[Demsrule86]

50. Bernie must go

I am sure self-interest, in the end, will make him get out well before the convention. His career is already impacted by his refusal to admit he lost...if he does not concede until the convention ...it will be in tatters.

[Demsrule86]

60. Don't be ridiculous

Bernie has already hurt our nominee and the sooner he is gone the better. I don't give a damn about Bernie Sanders or about how angry you are...we need to beat Trump ...so jump aboard or get our of the way. I really doubt Bernie will go to the convention. But we shall see...he may be so selfish that he might- hope he is ready for retirement because his career is over. Hard to believe that at one time I liked Bernie...I despise him now.

[djean111]

30. Speaking for myself, I would not be crushed, I would just be done with this Third Way version of

what used to be the Democratic Party. My bottom line is that I will not support a candidate who is for war and fracking and the TPP and the Third Way, and other things that I find reprehensible, and if the Democratic party stands for those things, then I really must go elsewhere. I would be totally disinterested in the GE, if none of the candidates are anywhere even close to how I feel on the issues. Let those who are okay with the candidates wrestle in the mud. Oh, and we have gone waaaaaay past "purity", you know. I just see a reeking pile, not anything good in there at all. Purity doesn't come close. Not letting the good be the enemy of the perfect? Oh, please, I don't see any good.

I would be busy elsewhere.

I am not delusional enough to think that a Hillary Clinton means well for anything or anyone except the 1%.

So, you can really keep your condescending sad to watch stuff.

[Tarc]

11. "But he has the support of over 10 million voters"

So, tell me again why Sanders fans are allowed to trumpet his popular vote totals, but Hillary fans are screamed at when they point out that she leads him in popular votes by 2.8-3 million?

[morningfog]

14. That game of "why do they get to say... But I can't" is boring.

Are you screaming now?

[Tarc]

17. It is a simple question of the hypocrisy on the popular vote topic

Feel free to take a stab at it, or let others try if you are unable.

[morningfog]

19. It's dumb. Who is the hypocrite?

[SFnomad]

12. And the delusions decend to another level. There is no such thing as a "Superdelegate Primary"

[morningfog]

15. Who are you calling delusional?

[pnwmom]

18. And that primary is not about to flip the results that put Hillary millions of votes ahead.

Or to give priority to Bernie's mostly white caucus voters over the diverse primary voters who have supported Hillary.

[morningfog]

20. Which I conceded in the OP, but without the race bait.

[LoverOfLiberty]

21. The only movement you will see in SDs after June 7th

is away from Sanders and towards Hillary.

But, go ahead and wait until Merkley switches to believe me if that suits you.

[JoePhilly]

34. ^^^^^ This ^^^^^^

[geek tragedy]

26. you must think him utterly delusional.

That would be the end of his movement and his personal moral legitimacy. The press and even his own superdelegates would rip him a new one.

[Beacool]

27. What does he have to gain??????

The super delegates will NOT go against the will of the people. How many times are we going to discuss this issue? Every day there are posts on this subject.

1) Sanders spent his considerable time in Congress being a burr on the backside of his fellow colleagues. He caucuses with the Democrats because it's obvious that he's not going to caucus with the Republicans. That hasn't stopped him from criticizing the party for the last few decades.

2) By his own admission, he joined the party only to gain more media attention, not out of a new found belief in its tenets.

3) Hillary has the support of most elected Democrats because she has been a member of the party since her early 20s. She's also been a Democratic state first lady, the nation's first lady, a Senator and the SOS. She and her husband have helped to elect hundreds of Democrats during their political life. They have also raised millions of dollars for them. Who do you all think that the party will support?

4) More importantly, she has an insurmountable pledged delegate lead. She's also far ahead in the popular vote. The super delegates would NEVER switch to the losing candidate. They didn't do it in 2008 and and this year won't be any different.

Barring some unforeseen event, Hillary will be the nominee. Sanders, Weaver, Devine, et al., are just bowing smoke and refusing to face the inevitable. Ditto for some of his supporters.

[morningfog]

31. Yes. Barring some unforeseen event she will be the nominee.

I fully agree.

[brooklynite]

29. Unlike your average Primary, most of the SDs have announced who they're voting for...

...and Bernie hasn't come up with a compelling argument to make them change.

[CrowCityDem]

32. Nothing to lose? He's going to be a pariah in the Senate if he fights at the convention.

[oasis]

33. Releasing tax returns/ flipping super delegates. Place your bets.

[Renew Deal]

36. Bernie is losing Super-Delegates 72-6.

He needs to win 69% of them right now.

Sanders supporters have deluded themselves into thinking there is a race past next week. Even Obama is making it clear it ends next week.

[hopemountain]

37. it may be 'fun' to some but this is

a battle for the workers, the youth, our forests and oceans and quality of life, for dignity and stability for our retirees and elders who paid into social security with a promise that has been breached, for social and economic justice, for the rights of women to have the say so over how they protect their bodies, for peace and no more wars where our children are pawns and sacrificed as slaves of the corporpotracracy and their theaters of false wars that have nothing to do with american freedom, for the right to healing medicines and healthcare for every man, woman, and child, for the assurance of clean, safe drinking water and roads, and bridges, and air.

for many of us it is a stand for all of these things - not a "fun" bazaar to exchange ideas.

only bernie.

[Demsrule86]

43. Well if Trump gets in

and has all branches of government and five court picks ...all those sweet dreams are gone and not just until the next election either...this time you Nader like spoilers have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in a big way, and it will be 30 years before anything can be done...all the progress since Roosevelt gone and why because St. Bernie lost. I wonder how many innocent people will die because of your actions and those of your candidate should this happen? This is why I dislike Greens and similar types...they accomplish nothing...way to busy pontificating and typing out their lofty (completely impractical ideas they never reach the planning phase as that requires work) to do anything meaningful...they are always the spoilers and never do any of the heavy lifting required to actually make things better in progressive terms.

[upaloopa]

55. That is pure narcissism. We all want the same things. You don't hold the high ground.

[LuvLoogie]

38. No paying off Bernie's debt, and no paying for Rome.

[Demsrule86]

42. Right

Supers are going to overturn the will of the primary voters...including women and people of color (one our most important demographics) in order to give the nomination to Bernie Sanders...not even a Democrat...they don't even like him...after the way he and his supporters have treated supers. There is no argument Bernie could make that would be compelling enough...so there is no primaries left, and the fact you want a Bernie the loser to be selected...says much about you and your candidate.

[morningfog]

44. Where did say I wanted him selected?

I'm flattered that you want to talk about me. I think the pledged delegate winner should be the nominee. There should be no supers moving forward. But they're there now. As for no argument to get to them to switch, no there is t really one other than some unforeseen event.

[Demsrule86]

61. Well Hilllary has an unsurmountable delegate lead

But, I am pleased that you do not think that should happen. If our situations were reversed, I would be against that just as I am today. It is going to be a rough election and Trump must be beaten. I can't imagine supers ever doing such a thing as giving the losing candidate the nomination. I was an Obama supporter in 08 so I have not been on the losing side since Howard Dean...but it hurt. I worked for Kerry and voted for Kerry but he was no t my choice. Of course, I wish he had won...how many Americans and people from other nations would be alive today if he had? I do believe that election was stolen as was 04 in Ohio. You know my youngest daughter is gay. She would be in serious danger if Trump managed to win as would many others.Thus I will put my all into defeating this evil person.

[RandySF]

47. .

[Demsrule86]

51. It is not fun

That Bernie Sanders helps Trump everyday he doesn't concede.

[Sheepshank]

52. Bernie doesn't know how to court those SD votes.

Cantankerous, insulting and encouraging his followers to swarm and insult the SDs.

Clue: that's not how it's done.

[upaloopa]

53. He has no leverage. This isn't about fighting it out at the convention.

Bernie will get his delegates and super delegates as will Hillary. Hillary will have enough to win the nomination and Bernie will not.

The super delegates will go to the candidate with the most votes and pledged delegates and that is Hillary.

Anything else is fantasy.

[grasswire]

56. see this

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- For the second time in three days, Sen. Hillary Clinton told reporters that the pledged delegates awarded based on vote totals in their state are not bound to abide by election results.

Sen. Hillary Clinton lags behind Sen. Barack Obama in the popular vote and in pledged delegates.


It's an idea that has been floated by her or a campaign surrogate nearly half a dozen times this month.

Sen. Barack Obama leads Clinton among all Democratic delegates, 1,622 to 1,485, in the latest CNN count. Among pledged delegates, Obama leads Clinton 1,413 to 1,242.

"Every delegate with very few exceptions is free to make up his or her mind however they choose," Clinton told Time's Mark Halperin in an interview published Wednesday.
"We talk a lot about so-called pledged delegates, but every delegate is expected to exercise independent judgment," she said.

Clinton's remarks echoed her Monday comments to the editorial board of the Philadelphia Daily News.

"And also remember that pledged delegates in most states are not pledged," she said Monday. "You know there is no requirement that anybody vote for anybody. They're just like superdelegates."

Clinton also made similar comments in a Newsweek interview published two weeks ago.

[MFM008]

57. meanwhile Trump runs amuck

Sanders ego must be satisfied.