If Hillary is indicted....may we see the return of O'Malley?

[pinebox]

A Sanders/O'Malley ticket perhaps?

Hmmm............nobody has mentioned that I don't think.

[Trust Buster]

1. Yes, satiate your vitriolic tendencies between now and June 16. That's all you have left now that

your weak excuse of a revolution has been defeated. Enjoy, for time is running out for you.

[Yurovsky]

21. You mean time is running out for Hillary...

as the legal noose tightens...

You'll be thankful for Bernie after he defeats Trump and HRC is appealing her convictions...

[annavictorious]

27. Sanders will never get the nomination

He will not be on the ticket.
He would never be asked to step in.
He will never get another committee assignment.
He will be primaried by Dr. Dean in '18.
And he will never see another cent from the DSCC.

But he'll always have his meeting with the Pope
And the bird.
He'll always have the bird.

[senz]

34. He'll always have millions of supporters with the clear mission

of getting your beloved corporations out of our government and returning the governent to the people.

That will not go away.

And your clear hatred for Bernie Sanders for interfering with the corporate takeover of this country begins to sounds like the desperate protestations of one of Marie Antoinette's handmaidens.

[hellyall]

45. Dr. Dean?

Good luck. Dean now has holes to drive a truck through, not to mention that he is a registered lobbyist.

[Ash_F]

52. Haha Dean!

You must not know Vermont.

[Warren DeMontague]

59. Touchdown!

[djean111]

2. I think that we have seen first-hand the voters' indifference to O'Malley.

Even though said voters have been deemed "stupid and black-headed", or words to that effect, by his supporters. Funny how that never works.

For me, he is a Third Way administrator type. He would bring nothing to a Sanders ticket, IMO.

[pinebox]

5. O'Malley a third-wayer?

I saw as pretty darn progressive myself. I do wish he had gotten a lot more attention. I liked the guy.

[djean111]

10. I believe he used to be.

Here are some links to what I am talking about -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12779494

http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Martin_O%60Malley_Principles_+_Values.htm

Supports Hyde Park Declaration of "Third Way" centrism.

O`Malley adopted the manifesto, "A New Politics for a New America":
As New Democrats, we believe in a Third Way that rejects the old left-right debate and affirms America’s basic bargain: opportunity for all, responsibility from all, and community of all.
We believe:
that government’s proper role in the New Economy is to equip working Americans with new tools for economic success and security.
in expanding trade and investment because we must be a party of economic progress, not economic reaction.
that fiscal discipline is fundamental to sustained economic growth as well as responsible government.
that a progressive tax system is the only fair way to pay for government.
the Democratic Party’s mission is to expand opportunity, not government.
that education must be America’s great equalizer, and we will not abandon our public schools or tolerate their failure.
that all Americans must have access to health insurance.
in preventing crime and punishing criminals.
in a new social compact that requires and rewards work in exchange for public assistance and that ensures that no family with a full-time worker will live in poverty.
that public policies should reinforce marriage, promote family, demand parental responsibility, and discourage out-of-wedlock births.
in enhancing the role that civic entrepreneurs, voluntary groups, and religious institutions play in tackling America’s social ills.
in strengthening environmental protection by giving communities the flexibility to tackle new challenges that cannot be solved with top-down mandates.
government must combat discrimination on the basis of race, creed, gender, or sexual orientation; defend civil liberties; and stay out of our private lives.
that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.
in progressive internationalism -- the bold exercise of US leadership to foster peace, prosperity, and democracy.
that the US must maintain a strong, technologically superior defense to protect our interests and values.
Source: The Hyde Park Declaration 00-DLC0 on Aug 1, 2000

I don't "like" or "dislike" O'Malley - I do loathe anything to do with Third Way centrism. I don't care if he used that against Hillary, that is just campaign blather.

[FSogol]

15. Still spreading that misinformation? O'Malley did not join the third way group when asked.

The Hyde Park Declaration was a letter prior to the forming of the Third Way group. It was signed by most Democrats.
Look at what the letter states. It is practically the Democratic Party platform. What exactly do you disagree with in the Hyde Park letter?

[Raine1967]

33. Thanks FSogol --

It boggles my mind that we are still quasi-litigating this BS about a candidate that is no longer running.

It appears to me that some people will never find a politician pure enough.

[FSogol]

42. Hi Raine. Yup, it is pretty ridiculous. n/t

[winter is coming]

17. I don't trust O'Malley. He smells like a New Democrat. n/t

[djean111]

18. Yup.

Exactly.

[demwing]

39. He talked the progressive talk

But he walks it with a decided limp

[FSogol]

41. Bullshit. He banned the death penalty, raised taxes on the rich, & became the 1st state to protect

transgender citizens. I could go on and on. O'Malley, unlike some, wasn't just talk. He had major progressive successes.

[Ash_F]

53. Was he at the head of all of those movement or did he just sign off on them?

[FSogol]

54. He led. He's probably the most accomplished Progressive governor in the country. n/t

Here's why I support him:

Martin O'Malley:

1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.
11. Froze tuition at State colleges.

There is a lot more, but I'll only add that Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk

[Skwmom]

32. O'Malley is one of those check certain boxes progressives.

Since I don't support violating the 4th Amendment rights of Black Americans I'll pass.

[AntiBank]

3. No. She will not drop out even then.

Especially if it is "only" a recommendation for indictment. She will take the whole party down with her I fear.

[senz]

22. I think you're right. She has never shown a sense of responsibility.

Nothing seems to exist for her outside of herself.

[Blanks]

4. That's because it's not gonna happen...

It has been pointed out many times that the burden on the 'prosecution' is to prove intent.

How likely is it that there is going to be proof that the individual fourth in ascension to the office of the presidency intended to betray her country.

This 'Indictment' thing is just right-wing silliness.

[pinebox]

6. FBI isn't RW silliness

I'm sorry but it isn't. The FBI falls under the jurisdiction of the Obama administration.
POTUS could actually tell them to knock it off but he hasn't. I wonder why.

Intent however was shown when Hillary didn't heed to warnings that this shouldn't be done and did so anyways.

Warning No. 4: A month later, the State Department sent a cable to “all diplomatic and consular posts” about the dangers of unsecured personal email accounts. Staffers were ordered to “avoid conducting official Department business from your personal e-mail accounts.” Who signed that cable? Hillary Clinton.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512100684

[TexasBushwhacker]

11. She also fired the ambassador to Kenya for having

a private server, among other things.

[pinebox]

19. wtf......seriously?

[TexasBushwhacker]

28. It was noted in his IG report, but not the only reason

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/mar/11/david-shuster/no-email-use-didnt-sink-us-ambassador-kenya/

"The report goes on to say that Gration "ordered a commercial Internet connection installed in his embassy office bathroom so he could work there on a laptop not connected to the Department email system," and that Gration "very infrequently logs onto his classified account, which would allow him to read cables and classified emails."

Of course, she has an IG report of her own now.

[Blanks]

43. What's missing is damage...

You know, like the twin towers crashing down. If her 'lapse in security' had caused some actual damage, then one could argue that this 'lapse in security' contributed to the disaster. Without an actual disaster, it's difficult to argue that the lapse in security intentionally (intent, see how that works) caused the disaster.

The intelligence agencies retroactively classified some of her emails to a higher security clearance. In one of the emails that they retroactive up-classified she was discussing a news article.

One of the good things that has come from this is that we've learned that security agencies classify material to hide information from other security agencies (and their mistakes from the American people). It's good that more awareness has been raised as a result of the scandal, but if you're holding out hope for an indictment...

[NCTraveler]

7. I have mentioned it.

If something happens to Clinton I want O'Malley on the first ballot.

[senz]

35. Uh oh. Some recommendations are as good as damnations.

[NCTraveler]

36. And some damnations are best followed up by recommendations. nt.

[Fumesucker]

8. It's gotta be Biden or the Democrats are dead meat

I think I can confidently say it will be ABB, Anybody But Bernie and Biden is the only one with sufficient name recognition to have the slightest chance. Joe is also pretty sharp and could probably ring Trump's bell but he's vulnerable in some places too.

If it's a choice between Bernie or Trump the establishment will hold their noses and go Trump, Bernie knows entirely too much about the machinery of government while they think they can control Trump.

All I can say is good luck with that..

[thesquanderer]

9. What about Warren?

I think Sanders supporters would be less upset about being passed over for Warren than they would being passed over for Biden, and keeping Sanders voters more motivated could be very helpful in November.

[TexasBushwhacker]

12. That would really surprise me

[djean111]

13. Warren as Hillary's VP? or Warren as president?

Warren as Hillary's or Biden's VP is just using her to get votes, and then, just as important, if not more so, getting Warren's inconvenient-to-the Third-Way presence out of the Senate. There would be high-fives all around, and Warren would be relegated to dinners and funerals.

[Fumesucker]

14. I suspect Warren is too smart to want the job and I don't think the establishment wants Warren

Bernie in a skirt isn't going to get the nod from the DWS wing of the party, the Senator from MasterCard though would be acceptable.

[demwing]

40. "Bernie in a skirt" isn't fair to Warren

She has a specific set of communication skills that Bernie does not. Other then that, you're spot on.

[Fumesucker]

46. I meant as far as the Rahm/DWS wing sees them

Different styles of communication work for different people, not everyone is the same and not everyone is swayed by the same argument or the same style of argument even.

[demwing]

47. agreed /nt

[winter is coming]

16. There's no legitimate reason to bypass Bernie.

If the party manages to do it, we'll lose in November.

[pinebox]

20. I like Biden but....

I don't see him being the guy.
Warren, perhaps.

[Warren DeMontague]

61. I agree. Biden comes crashing through the ceiling like batman "here i come to save the day"

And then the party poobahs have to figure out how to spin/sell it.

Thats the most ridiculous thing about the hill folk here going on about the "indictment fairy" - personally, i dont think an indictment would mean sanders would be any closer to getting the nomination, all it would mean is that HRC has screwed us all due to her flouting of the rules and reflexive impulse against transparent disclosure.

Its not a very appealing scenario.

[NorthCarolina]

23. If Hillary drops out, I don't see how the party could possibly

bypass Bernie and hand the nomination over to some other establishment candidate who never even competed in the primaries. Where the fuck is that scenario permitted in the rules?

[TimPlo]

62. The RNC has rule 40b that says

Rule 40(b) is an official rule of the Republican Party. As adopted in August 2012, it requires a candidate for the Republican nomination for president to be able to demonstrate support from a majority of delegates in at least eight individual states in order to have his or her name placed on the nominating ballot at the 2016 Republican National Convention.
The DNC has no such rule. The candidates at the convention are only pledged to vote for Clinton then after first round they can vote for who ever. The convention is the only place that actually does the "actual" vote matter. They could put anyone they want up for it there is not rule against it.

Isn't American elections such a pillar of democracy.

[bigwillq]

24. Fine by me.

Any DEM besides Clinton would work for me.

[pinebox]

25. Not for me

Some are far too conservative in my eyes.

[senz]

37. I can see your point. Trump or Clinton is a disaster.

If we can't have Bernie, we can at least avoid overt mental illness occupying the Oval Office.

It would be a bargain made in desperation, but yes, if it came to that, I would have to concur.

[still_one]

26. Hillary will be exonerated on the email controversy. Will the Hillary bashing then stop?

[senz]

31. You mean, will citizens cease to report facts about Hillary? Doubtful.

[Sheepshank]

29. All these ridiculous and fucking conspiracy theories coming out of the woodwork - NO INDICTMENT

there will be no indictment.

There is no O'Malley for President
There is no Bernie for President
There is no Biden for President

you are looking extremely foolish making up this shit and posting it day after day.

Gawd i wish the next few Primaries were over already.

[AntiBank]

30. the primaries have nothing to do with the timetable of the FBI criminal investigation

Unless the FBI is going for max Democratic Party destruction factor and drops a bombshell right during or immediately after the convention.

You do realise that if the FBI investigation is STILL ongoing up until the election that its going to do massive damage to Clinton.

The only way she skates is one of 2 things happen, and one of them is not really her skating.

1 The FBI clears her outright before the election. I still think this is the most probable outcome. For all our sakes it better be.

2 (and this will still screw us against Trumpf) the FBI recommends indictment and the Obama DOJ refuses or kicks the can down the road till after the election.

None of this is "right wing conspiracy theory". That is patently absurd to call it that. You have an extremely active, legitimate FBI criminal investigation of Clinton going on in the middle of a presidential race. If and until she is cleared one way or another, it is entire reasonable to show grave concern. No amount of spin and head-in-the-sand posturing is going to make it go away, or make it NOT impact the race against Trumpf.

[Sheepshank]

38. boy did you screw on that mind reading

I was not referring to the FBI anything....I was referring to the idiocy that will be gone from DU after June 16.

[AntiBank]

44. As was I. Just because a chat board sets an arbitrary deadline for "shhhhhhh"

has zero bearing on the real world events that are yet to unfold.

[PragmaticLiberal]

48. I don't see that happening but personally, I'd love it.

Honestly, I thought (and still think)Martin was the most qualified candidate in terms of actually implementing progressive policies.


That's in large part why I'm writing him in.

[Trajan]

55. Wrong reply

Corrected

[PragmaticLiberal]

56. We'll agree to disagree.

[asuhornets]

49. O'Malley will be Hillary's pick for VP..nt

[StevieM]

63. I like O'Malley a lot but I'm thinking that she will pick Rep. Xavier Becerra of California. (eom)

[Tarc]

50. As Sanders has no chance at being the nominee, it is safe to say we will not see this

[JTFrog]

51. Star light, star bright, first star I see tonight...... nt

[Trajan]

57. Bernie brings the agenda

And the GUTS to carry it through ...

Nobody else has that ...

[grasswire]

58. yes, yes

He is really a wonderful example of a principled progressive man.

I think he will be an inspiration to Millennials for a long, long time.

[sadoldgirl]

60. Kind of funny that everyone brings up

Biden or O'Malley. I would think that that the best
replacement for HRC would be Kerry, because he
has proven himself to be very competent in foreign
affairs (using diplomacy instead of military options),
and he has gone through the nomination procedure
before.