2016 Postmortem
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The final Democratic presidential primary is Tuesday, June 14 in Washington DC. People will have one last glorious day of primary season on June 15, and then Democratic Underground general election season begins on Thursday, June 16.
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MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)'DU will not be waiting until the convention.' CORRECTED 'HRC supporters will not be waiting until the convention.'
Any and all 'rabid' HRC supporters will push the limits of 'enforcement' of what pertains to 'criticism' of HRC...
DU will become an echo chamber unparalleled this election cycle
HRC is so feckless of a candidate that she's running even against TRUMP... any other candidate should be so far ahead of TRUMP at this moment it's stunning that HRC isn't able to beat the monstrosity that's TRUMP and GOP party
DU will be a become a joke trying to keep HRC on life support through this election cycle with the depth of her unfavorables that she can't clear or get past, that's on her, nobody else can take the blame for that... and every HRC supporter here knows that...
But with the transition from primary to GE fully expect HRC supporters here to push banning and censor to the fullest extent
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)They've counted their chickens while we're still in the 'egg phase'
HRC running dead even against TRUMP is stunning, press any and all HRC supporters on that point and see them squirm
This should be a slam dunk but to be running even against him, well.. to take this posters reply... NOV can't come quickly enough...
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)...you're already very deeply vested and knowledgeable about the DU process. It's gonna be tough when you have this new habit to break, you have worked so hard to establish.
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SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)exodus. HEY SKINNER! BE READY TO REFUND THE SUCKERS WHO PAID TO RUN THIS PLACE! The democratic party as it always was dies on June 16.
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)(Sorry, I've read that phrase here so many times it just typed itself out on auto-correct)
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Demsrule86
(68,595 posts)don't support this site...and don't send me all our 'well I do' , I said most not all. So there should be few refunds...assuming such a thing is possible. Now you Bernie people threaten Skinner...no class.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)It isn't the end of democracy. It's the return of civility.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)The oppression of being denied the ability to call someone a troll is palpable and insidious. A cancer on the heart of rational discourse.
I'd pretend one side gets away with it while the other doesn't too as it certainly validates our bias-- though it does illustrate a certain lack of objectivity and willful blindness of the obvious on our part. Yet... that's simply a small price top pay to maintain our illusion of suffering abuse and persecution at the hands of the infidels and other non-believers.
I suppose that's what happens when passion overtakes rational thought and we're reduced to mere punchlines without our knowledge. It's a tough old world out there...
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)after the GDP closes.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Free republic. This place becomes free republic then. Have at it, hoss.
Demsrule86
(68,595 posts)that attack and defame the Democratic nominee on a Democratic site is exactly what should happen. Bernie is not worth getting Trump...I have three kids and two of their significant others (younguns) who supported Bernie but because they have a brain in their gorgeous heads will vote for Hillary in the fall...And I sincerely hope Bernie leaves the state with some dignity and continues his movement. His supporters deserve better than a bitter old man flailing away in anger and spite ...helping the worst Republican nominee in my lifetime in the most crucial election of my lifetime.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)There's a bunch of them.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)won't have anything left for the get-it-all-out week. Better pace yourselves.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)The bigger joke is what should be a slam dunk against TRUMP is how feckless HRC is in national polls with the level of her unfavorables, which do run dead even with TRUMP and that's sayin' something as well...
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)We were reminded of this after the Michigan primary, the Colorado primary etc. even Romney's "landslide win" was baloney from polls.
I love how the Bernie supporters only care about polls when it supports what they wish to believe.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Wiki:
I would think Democrats would have a pretty consistent bias in supporting our Democratic candidates.
The primaries are over. We have our nominee.
Pease be aware of the Constitutional procedure if no nominee reaches 270 electoral votes.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Sanders supporters believe the polls because they confirm their belief that Hillary is a dead-duck candidate that should be forced to withdraw from the process because she can't win the GE, even if she wins the nomination handily.
Hillary supporters believe the polls are meaningless this far out because those polls run contrary to their belief that Hillary will win the Presidency easily against that megalomaniacal short-fingered vulgarian.
Between the two...the Clinton position seems closer to wishful thinking. Data doesn't become untrue because you dislike what it says or believe it needs to be unskewed.
I'm well aware of the procedure...we end up with whoever the GOP-controlled House decides to elect President and the Democratic-controlled Senate selects the VP. The irony there is that I doubt either of those people will be Donald J. Trump or Hillary Clinton. The first because I don't think the GOP actually likes him being their nominee all that much and the second because I don't think she'd accept the position if elected...it's a career-ender.
Like I said last week...it's a good thing there is no process for the public to vote "None of the above!" and force the parties to nominate different candidates in a second balloting...because that's what the outcome would be of a Trump/Clinton race in that situation: a rejection of both candidates.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Yes, if no one has 270 then the Senate picks the VP, but the choice is limited to the two people who got the most electoral votes for VP. If it's a 269-269 tie, or something like a 268-267 finish with the Libertarians picking off Alaska; and if all the electors adhere to their pre-election plans in their VP voting; and if (as you assume) the Democrats get the Senate majority, then the new VP would be whoever was the Democratic candidate for that job.
That Democratic VP would be serving under President Paul Ryan, because if the vote is that close then the electors won't all adhere to their plans for President.. A few of them will defect from Trump to Ryan, enough to put Ryan in third place in electoral votes. The House chooses the new President among the top three finishers. (Sorry, Governor Johnson -- that's top three in electoral votes, not popular votes.)
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)it's not polls. it just facts
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Not that this isn't painfully obvious that polls were conducted to get any results for favorability, but literally at the bottom of the link you provided it says the info comes from polls.
So Yes it's polls... and they don't mean squat ..as as shown by examples in my last post.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)what magic wand will you try to swing around to make those 'polls' change then?
how will you erase those unfavorables?
those weren't generated by Bernie, those weren't negative attacks that made those appear
if you're lack of understanding of the facts concerning what those polls exposed then you're more lost than I thought... YIKES
frylock
(34,825 posts)If it's not allowed on DU, then it's just not happening in real life.
QC
(26,371 posts)and make the FBI and the media stop talking about all that email stuff!
JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)Since the site is called Democratic Underground it makes no sense to entertain those who want to advocate failure for the candidate. If that were allowed every Freeper with spare time would show up here for the pile-on.
The ones who are already here will have to find a new hobby.
frylock
(34,825 posts)The level of denial regarding the severity of the email issue is going to make for some incredibly entertaining breakdowns.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)good to know how the DEM 'universe' functions... it's that new 'bubble technology' 2.0
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)How about the fact that she has more votes than any other candidate even after 25 years of ridiculous baseless accusations and investigations, not only from the right wing but from land o' Bernie's faux revolutionaries?
Polls shmolls.
from pro Bernie land Huff post:
"Bernie Sanders’ historic upset in Tuesday night’s Michigan Primary, which the nation’s most influential polling aggregator estimated he would lose by 22 points, may prove to be the turning point in this election. That’s because Sanders’ two point victory in Michigan follows just a week or less after three other huge, but barely unnoticed poll-defying victories by Sanders in Colorado, Minnesota, and Kansas. Taken together with these other states, the Michigan upset is not, as America’s foremost poll analyst Nate Silver claimed, a freak event not witnessed since the New Hampshire primary of 1984, but part of a new pattern of poll-defying results that will, if they continue, carry Bernie Sanders into the White House.
In the March 1st Super Tuesday contest, Sanders won Colorado by 19 points. The most recent poll there had shown him losing by 18% of the vote, adding up to a poll-to-reality discrepancy of 37 points. "
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-greenberg/polldefying-pattern-predi_b_9434118.html
Polls are for the purpose of getting a bandwagon effect.
That's the entire reason Bernie ans his supporters keep pointing to them now even though just months ago you were pointing to the polls and how ridiculous polling is.
The fact that so many Sanders supporters havent grasped this yet is what's truly frightening.
Its not polls, not rally attendance, not yard signs or millions of dollars in $27 increments...its VOTING that counts. and the voters really really LIKE Clinton
, as much as that pains Bernie's camp.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)So I point out HRC's historic level unfavorables and you pivot to Bernie and polls not associated with the facts concerning the perception of HRC.. got it
Thx for playin'!
Have a day! 
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)I didn't pivot anywhere... but you're trying to.
I'll have a wonderful evening. Hillary has the Dem nomination and there's not a thing Bernie nor his supporters can do about it.
Keep on reading those polls that are almost as accurate as a carnival fortune teller, or horoscope, or a psychic reading! 
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)attempting to create a narrative from nothing, is something only the media appears to be focused on...oh and BSers. Doesn't seem to be a winning strategy.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)well, if HRC crashing numbers get her dead even with Trump and it's both proven that both have historic unfavorables
well, most rational folks get this and understand the facts.. so.... where so you stand on the facts?
but interesting pivot you have bringing in Bernie, you do realize HRC controls here own unfavorables right?
if not then well, that doesn't seem to be a 'winning strategy'
George II
(67,782 posts)Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Precisely what polls ever suggested that?
George II
(67,782 posts)National polls are useless, the Presidency is determined by electoral votes. Al Gore learned that in 2000.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)This explains why in head-to-head matchups between the Dem and Trump, Bernie always does notably better in these polls.
George II
(67,782 posts)realmirage
(2,117 posts)
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)what should be a slam dunk against TRUMP... HRC has pulled even with him...
That's on her, own that... focus on Bernie all you'd like, facts remain, it's those facts about your candidate that make your avoidance of them so hilarious
'banning' and/or 'purging' just creates that special bubble that you hope will insulate you and your candidate... good luck with that
LonePirate
(13,426 posts)Many of them have her over 330 EVs. That's not a tie, it's a blowout.
I know it's difficult for Bernie supporters to accept that he lost; but it is time to move on. It serves no purpose to propagate false election narratives like Hillary and Trump are tied.
I voted for Bernie back in March when he still had a chance. Those chances are now gone. It's time to dispense with the hatred, negativity, in-fighting, etc.
If you live in one of the states/territories that have not yet voted, by all means, go out and vote for Bernie. Just realize that in roughly 170 hours, Hillary will be declared the (presumptive) nominee. The race is over no matter how much the outcome is not the one you preferred.
LonePirate
(13,426 posts)They have no bearing on the primary race whatsoever. If it makes you feel good by posting them, then have at it until June 16. They will not change the outcome of the Dem primary race.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)what magic wand will you try to wave to make those unfavorables disappear?
this bubble you and all the other HRC supporters will need to create here within DU should be quite the spectacle to behold
LonePirate
(13,426 posts)Those numbers have absolutely no bearing on the legions of Hillary voters in VI, PR, NJ, NM and CA where she will likely win. For the Dems voting in the next week, those numbers are meaningless and will not push Bernie to victory. As such, they are completely irrelevant in the primary race. I'm not sure why that concept is difficult to understand. Will they be a problem for the GE? Maybe, maybe not. That's still months away. In the short term, they do not have any impact whatsoever on the primary race.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)Yeah run with that... create and reinforce that bubble see what mileage you get out of it
If she's this feckless against Trump now when he's flinging everything at her and she's dead even with him?
this 'Maybe, maybe not' mantra is something I would advise against but hey... you have this belief that those 'numbers are meaningless'
gl to ya!
LonePirate
(13,426 posts)Do her unfavorable matter to the people who will vote for her during the next week? Not at all. Don't even pretend like it will.
And yes, those numbers are meaningless during the next seven days? Do you actually think those numbers are going to change the outcome that we all know is coming in one week? Do you believe millions of voters will see those numbers and switch their votes from Hillary to Bernie during the next week? Surely you don't believe such an impossibility.
Again, why are you pushing unfavorable when the Republicans have not even gone after Bernie? His numbers can only move in one direction - and that is down. When the Republicans are done with him, he will probably wish he had Hillary's numbers.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Crooked Hillary. It will stick because it is not pulled out of the ethers. From there on, it's downhill on the level of attack. The Benghazi hearings were respectful, measured, DC hype, vaudeville.
Trump will be bare-knuckled street fighting...Trump University and all. And her health is an issue...what will be required of her physically, as well as maybe more because of the emotionality of being callously attacked.
I see it as flawed to compare what's coming to the flailing attempts to "get the Clintons" over the past decades. There were unstated rules that politicians played but did not go over the line.
Trump represents the basest of the Republican Party's electorate. I think the depth off that constituency is not yet clearly understood.
OwlinAZ
(410 posts)You can ru with the fleas if you wish.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the banksters, the DNC, and the Corp-Media and yet he is still in the race. The Oligarchy hasn't been able yet to push Clinton into the WH.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Drink!
zappaman
(20,606 posts)
Demsrule86
(68,595 posts)and if he has any integrity or intelligence will bow out after California...when the media has named the nominee.
brush
(53,792 posts)Recoverin_Republican
(218 posts)against Clinton on this forum. But Democrats are suckers for GOP Propaganda. So to us it will be no loss to no longer see charges by innuendo and insinuations of nefarious activities by HRC and other parroted points of GOP Propaganda.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)I'm a progressive, I get that you've latched onto HRC, as a 'recoverin_republican' she's a perfect fit for ya... she's republican light after all
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-distaste-for-both-trump-and-clinton-is-record-breaking/
I also get that the size and strength of the bubble you'll need to create within DU will be quite impressive to behold...
gl, you'll need it
Mr Maru
(216 posts)enjoy
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)you're correct those historic unfavorables aren't my problem... there yours and your candidates so you reply like you do won't change that a 'damn' bit
Mr Maru
(216 posts) Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Well as a big fat FYI, they haven't helped Bernie one bit. he's still losing to someone with all of those "unfavorables" you keep bleating on about
OwlinAZ
(410 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)Bernie... beep, beep... Bernie...
Do you have a coin slot?
'insert quarter for rapid canned response, as well as your fortune'
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Pathetic
Cary
(11,746 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)realmirage
(2,117 posts)
Non democrats can find the door
OwlinAZ
(410 posts)You know nothing.
Good luck to Hillary if she runs with folks like you backing her.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)HRC is republican light.. always has been always will be
but if DEM is the new republican light in ideology then so be it, is that what you're suggesting?
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)I'm going to watch this bubble project go, who would leave this carnival when that kicks off?
OKDem08
(1,340 posts)I have not met a single soul who is genuinely enthusiastic at the prospect of an HRC presidency. Perhaps the historical element will carry a greater impact to counter the lack of enthusiasm. We shall see.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)DU isn't officially a Bernie site. It's a Democratic site that's intended to win Democratic races. If Hillary has the delegates on June 7, she's the Democratic nominee.
Posts critical of Hillary are allowed but Hillaryhate posts are not.
You can post on Bernie sites through the convention.
George II
(67,782 posts)So, if Clinton is so "feckless", then why can't a strong candidate like Sanders defeat her?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)annavictorious
(934 posts)I would be looking for or building a new home for like-minded people. There were many new blogs for suddenly homeless democrats in the summer of 2008.
This way when Sanders tries again in 2024, you will have a community in place.
barrow-wight
(744 posts)
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)
realmirage
(2,117 posts) 
MFM008
(19,818 posts)Rapier wits out tonight
.
my first laugh of the morning!
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)buy the way, did you inform CNN, what about NPR Time Magazine? Fortune?
Tarc
(10,476 posts)once she hits 2,384 with a combo of pledged and superdelegate endorsements, just as they did for Obama in 2008.
OwlinAZ
(410 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)you must be on first name basis with the national editors. I know CNN mostly cannot chew gun and walk, but on this one they will.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)and focus on every dumb thing Trump says from now til November. Some around here feared that Trumpy was going to clean up his act and be a poster boy for the GOP, but he keeps attacking them and everyone else on a daily basis.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)You know there is a saying in media about feeding frenzies. So I hope your pals,you know them on first hand will stop. Oh wait you don't. And the OIG report showed to national editors, who are not silly, chiefly blind, partisans that this is more that just a cooked up thing by the VRWC.
I am going to enjoy the increasing cognitive dissonance. It is perverse I know. But you guys are just partisans, blind and all, not unlike Republicans in 2003. Not worst or better, just like them.
I developed quite a bit of contempt for them back then. Wrongly I expected better from Democrsts. So my contempt is for partisans on both sides. Ain't that great? By the way, this is why independents continue to grow as more and more people cannot stand partisans on both sides.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Emailgate, like Benghazi, is the epitome of a tiny, partisan-driven story. Soon will b back to "crazy stuff Donald says" 24/7.
You forget that Trump slams the media regularly; they have long memories for that sorta thing.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)You are responsible for that
Tarc
(10,476 posts)
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)Declaring a nominee any time before the convention is just silly.
With all the depositions and related bad news for Hillary queued-up for all this coming month, an arbitrary date when Primary concludes is meaning less and less...
-app
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I have left boards whose rules I disagreed with.
It's not hard.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)If I wasn't a Democrat and wasn't welcome on a Democratic website, I would find one of the hundreds of other like-minded sites where I would be welcome.
This insistence on disrupting a site and a nominee is ridiculous - and apparently will be ended shortly. 
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I certainly don't think it would be welcome there.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)there is a place you are more than welcome!
(Go LeBron - "Cleveland Rocks!!!"
Demsrule86
(68,595 posts)and we would find you...(evil laugh) and make you sorry...LOL
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)
murielm99
(30,745 posts)I would bet that they are all still waiting for Fitzmas, too!
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Hope you are proud of your life as a human being.
Mr Maru
(216 posts)I hope you were on the fainting couch when you had to read that. 
barrow-wight
(744 posts)Was it edited from something else? My god you have thin skin.
frylock
(34,825 posts)creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)The site all the Bernie holdouts are running to doesn't like dissent either.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)It'd mean pulling their heads OUT of another orifice that isn't polite to be mentioned at the dinner table.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)which all mean basically the same thing,
about Hillary and her supporters...
ladjf
(17,320 posts)automobile bumpers and windows. I remember thinking, "what gives you the right to tell me to be quiet or leave my home?
If the administrators of DU tell be to shut up or quit DU, I will reluctantly move on. What would be the point of sticking around. This is supposed to be a political discussion board for those who embrace the principles of the Democratic Party and Democrats in general.
HarmonyRockets
(397 posts)than you will be in favor of supporting whoever the Democratic nominee is in defeating Donald Trump. If you still don't side with the Democrat over Trump, I don't see why you should stick around here.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)cstanleytech
(26,299 posts)get a thrill out of flinging whatever shit they can in an attempt to get something to land on one of the candidates and on Democrats in general.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)And quit grave-dancing.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)And by "assholes," we can further define that to mean Clinton supporters who bash Sanders and otherwise talk sarcastic shit, or Sanders supporters who do the same.
It's about civility. Read Skinner's post. It's not about Sanders supporters needing to STFU or GTFO. It's about not basing Clinton, if and when she becomes the nominee, and endless fucking posts bashing Sanders and taking smirk-filled victory laps won't be any more welcome.
eom, tough guy. eom.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)No more recommending OPs with neo-Nazi, holocaust denial websites like the old days:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251941346
So, do you often recommend OPs using hate-sites like tomatoebubble or is it a website you go to a lot?
I am sure the "this is what some people might say" sounds like a valid excuse for anti-Semetic hate speech websites being used to attack a Democratic candidate of Jewish heritage but it's not.
I am sure you all will miss those days....
angrychair
(8,702 posts)I'm not the one that recommended an OP that suggested people learn about Sanders by going to a neo-Nazi, holocaust denial website....
angrychair
(8,702 posts)By not speaking out against, even recommending OPs that use neo-Nazi websites, does this mean you endorse Neo-Nazi hate sites and their attacks on those of Jewish heritage?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)to presume that everything and anything not spoken is an implied agreement? is that what you are trying to press? the most fucking stupid inane argument today...you win.
angrychair
(8,702 posts)I'm not the one that recommended people visit a neo-Nazi hate site like tomatoebubble in regards to a Democratic candidate of Jewish heritage that happened to have family murdered in concentration camps.
OwlinAZ
(410 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)So yeah, you have crossed the line into the ridiculous.
angrychair
(8,702 posts)First, I wasn't talking to you but someone else.
Secondly, all this high and mighty repudiation of tRump comes across as tone-deaf if that same group of followers are also recommending people go to neo-Nazi hate-sites like tomatoebubble to learn more about a Democratic candidate for president who happens to be of Jewish heritage and had family members murdered in concentration camps...which tomatoebubble says is a lie.
No one needs to go to a Nazi hate-site to tell them what they think of people of Jewish heritage.
That you want to argue that posting and/or recommending OPs that use websites like that is legitimate is very disturbing...no it is not the same as right-wing sites like free beacon. If you think that than that is just as disturbing.
MADem
(135,425 posts)either. Look how "no religious test" gets the hand in this conversation:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017378124
angrychair
(8,702 posts)There have been regretable things said by many, including myself. The thing is I own it and try to apologize if I can.
The OP you linked to was a very awkward one at best. Those type of conversations can turn sour quick, especially when people not familiar with the subject matter make insensitive comments out of ignorance or bluster. I agree the person that made the "move back" comment should have apologized for it. Their point was hamfisted and racially and culturally insensitive.
The use of neo-Nazi hate-sites like tomatoebubble in an OP and /or recommending an OP that uses such a source, it is far and away the most vile thing I have seen on this discussion board yet. Attacking a person of Jewish heritage with Nazi talking points is disgusting.
To not automatically condemn such actions or make light of them is shocking and disturbing and though I left and came back I am still on the fence if this website is the place I thought it was.
MADem
(135,425 posts)primary divide from me, but we were united in our horror at the direction of the conversation. That mess started out bad and went downhill.
Many people who are now popping up here have no interest in seeing a Democrat elected--they're here just to shit-stir, to divide, and to take their garbage back to that cave place where they giggle like schoolchildren telling poop jokes. It is very hard to have a political discussion here, when, if a person expresses an opinion about a public figure, the response is "YOU are (fill in some bullshit insult). That kind of stuff, and this kind of religious dogwhistling, is a problem. It shouldn't matter who is being insulted when it comes to that stuff. It can't be "OK" even if it is a politician we might not like under the gun. We've got to stick to our principles.
This place WILL get better as soon as primary season ends. And after the election, we'll be back to the same old carping and whining that we always engage in, but without the viciousness and the brutal personal insults. There will even be time for good humor.
I am counting the days.
Tal Vez
(660 posts)It will become so very clear what we need to do.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Gomez163
(2,039 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)he takes it to the convention floor, because your focused on Trump.
This is gonna be a real hoot.
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)By time Obama, Biden and Warren (and possibly Merkeley) endorse the nominee, the non-nominee won't have enough support to "take it to the convention".
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts) Demsrule86
(68,595 posts)Bernie is not the nominee...so we can say what we want...but most won't...time for healing now not attacking the losing candidate.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)They can presume the winner will be Hillary, but that's all it is a presumption. I just pray the administrators will also ban anti Bernie posts too during the time frame up until the convention, unless Bernie drops out of the race before then.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Hillary will be the nominee and Bernie will be out of the race.
Actor
(626 posts)nightmare Conman Trump.
You see, liberals and democrats realize Conman Trump represents the end of America as we know it and possibly the end of everything.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)and he's not going to become one.
When asked if he would officially join the party on April 30, 2015, when he announced his candidacy, Sanders said, "No, I am an independent who is going to be working with the —"
Yet Sanders continued to fight with the party locally and his "goal was the destroy Democrats," Maurice Mahoney, the head of Burlington’s Democratic Party in the 1980s, told Politico.
When he ran for the Senate a decade later in 2006, still as an independent, ...
His website states he's an Independent.
"Bernie Sanders is serving his second term in the U.S. Senate after winning re-election in 2012 with 71 percent of the vote. His previous 16 years in the House of Representatives make him the longest serving independent member of Congress in American history. "
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/about
But he sure is good as using the Democrats whenever convenient for him.
Like for his current presidential campaign and previously to get committee assignments because he refuses to work with anyone.
"After calling it "ideologically bankrupt," Sanders lobbied for admission into the Democratic caucus for practical reasons (getting coveted committee assignments, mustering votes for bills), according to news reports from his first year in Congress. But party leaders wouldn’t let him join as he refused to become a Democrat."
When he ran for the Senate a decade later in 2006, still as an independent, the party worked to stop Democratic candidates from running against him, and he was endorsed by numerous state and national Democrats.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Bernie is a Democrat now.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)lol
Bernie says he's not..
Are you calling Bernie a liar?
brush
(53,792 posts)Mr Maru
(216 posts)It doesn't.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)It just can't be the low hanging fruit that has made to the Clinton bash for decades.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)And that kind of sums up what the People have to face fighting the Big Money in our government.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)It's possible to be critical and still support a candidate.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)want discourse you want blind loyalty.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)I'm even still allowed to post in the Clinton group. However, I did criticize a banned troll in the Sanders group, one who viciously attacked another poster here and was summarily banned.
Funny how that works.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)For instance her low key campaign will prove risky for the general. She needs to fill stadiums.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Sure.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And why do you think the 5 hide rule was lifted? Do you think it had anything to do with allowing serial offenders who've racked up up to 19 hides to post? You know, Hillary supporters who are so rude but support the 'right' candidate so they're given a pass even when they call people racist for no reason and use anti-semitic dog whistles?
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VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Which need I remind you, the entire AAs for Hillary contingent of this board apparently finds completely okay because an apology was posted? I dunno, my mother-- an African American woman, mind you-- always taught me that racists don't change. Go figure.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)IOKIYSHRC
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VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Might as well be my reasoning for why 300+ of them have been put on my "I'm not letting you elevate my blood pressure" list.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Demsrule86
(68,595 posts)Everyone knows Bernie supporters rigged many of those juries...I always read the hidden posts...and most were complete crap...it was obvious...that Bernie supporters were playing favorites. I saw it noted on the Ask administrators forum as well.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and long overdue, imho
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)
FSogol
(45,491 posts) 
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)...to drop their invective.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Response to Scuba (Reply #8)
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ucrdem
(15,512 posts) 
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)
just as long as they can thoroughly trounce Trump
senz
(11,945 posts)with Hill losing ground as time goes on.
So if the idea is to trounce Trump, Bernie is the right candidate.
But if the idea is to put Hill up there and ... who cares what happens after that ...
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #97)
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Demsrule86
(68,595 posts)Skinner is waiting until after the entire primary is over to call it...but on June 7th ...it is called by everyone else.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Demsrule86
(68,595 posts)And if Bernie is as smart and has as much integrity as you all say, he will concede and endorse near the time of California...I get he may need a couple of days to come to terms with his loss...got to be painful.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)It's not an opinion of DUers that this will happen, ITS THE OWNER and OPERATOR of DU that it is saying it's going to happen.
Make sense? Got it?
sheshe2
(83,793 posts)You are wise beyond your years.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)They will sadly await the great pumpkin purge. The vast majority of Bernie haters take any comment on Hillary that is not glowing praise as attacks and helping trump. They are delusional and will sorely disappointed when the most Bernie supporters remain on this site and continue to criticize Hillary when warranted.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)It's all the fake Bernie supporters that everyone will be happy to see go, and some of the fake Hillary supporters. Sadly it seems the trolls and trouble makers for the most part picked Bernie to "claim" they supported. Anyone who only trashes the "other" candidate without discussing their candidates plans to fix the country are trolls in my book, and I for one will be very happy to see them go no matter who they claimed to support.
I also think that those who hate DU, the Democratic party, and pretty much any Democrat the doesn't see things their way, would be better off over on some other board where they can complain all day long with others that feel the same way.
JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)...like you'll fight the Democratic candidate all the way to election day and demand a forum to do so.
It's not even between the lines.
OwlinAZ
(410 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Democrats, like me, have every right to criticize our candidates, our nominee and even our president. If you have a problem with that, it's on you.
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(18,636 posts)
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)warranted.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Read the answer to my ATA post. You will be sorely mistaken to see justified criticism permitted after presumptive nominee status is declared. DU will not become a Hillary echo chamber on June 18.
Trolls will be banned and that is good, but it will not be all praise to Hillary.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)where they didn't think trashing and hating on Clinton wasn't 'warranted'
morningfog
(18,115 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Demsrule86
(68,595 posts)It is clear...that attacking the Dem nominee will not be permitted and will get you tombstoned.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)We will be free to criticize.
What you see as an attack is often just the news. That's the reality with Hillary as a nominee.
DCBob
(24,689 posts) NWCorona
(8,541 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)His point....conversation closed. It's his right so I'm not questioning that. Just wonder how the business end will work out.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)June 15 should be very interesting around here.
peace13
(11,076 posts)I wonder what the numbers look like? Over the last six months many people have been mocked and called out for standing up for Democratic values. The question is, if people walk do they come back?
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I think there are others who feel the same way. We will make sure DU survives to serve Democrats for a long time to come.
senz
(11,945 posts)or do you mean FDR/Kennedy/Johnson/Carter Democrats?
peace13
(11,076 posts)...and education and leaders who follow the laws. I don't think those people turned in any direction or color. People who have lost their moral compasses......I don't know what you call them.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)The deadline will be the division. Part of the problem is that people do not know the difference between criticism and discussion of issues. Examples: calling a person who plotted and killed someone a murderer is not criticism. It is an obvious deduction of the facts. (For clarification I am not saying either candidate is a murder? Discussing two videos of a person saying two different things during the same election cycle is an observation of actual words that were said, not a criticism. Pointing out damaging results of a candidates policies is not criticism it is a discussion of facts. It will be impossible to have any discussion here in the near future. Du will cease to be a discussion board.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)It sounds like there will still be plenty of discussion here in the near future.
We have no intention of purging anyone, and we have no intention of disallowing good-faith discussion of the issues. I think most people are going to be fine with that. But there are going to be a a few people (including both Hillary and Bernie supporters) who are going to be disappointed because the massive crackdown they have been hoping for does not come to pass.
Most people think the big change coming in general election season is that people on this website will need to stop bashing Hillary Clinton. Yes, that's part of it -- but it's not the only thing and it's definitely not the most important thing. The really big change coming in general election season is that people on this website will need to stop bashing each other.
Throughout this primary season we have been in a death spiral of declining standards. So we are going to institute some rules, and we will expect everyone to follow those rules, and we will expect everyone to enforce those rules when they serve on juries. The rules shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone -- they are mostly common sense, and they are basically the same rules we had for years when we had moderators: No personal attacks, no broad-brush group attacks, no bigotry, no right-wing smears or sources against Democrats, no advocating for spoilers or republicans, no meta-discussion, etc.
I am just so tired of people bashing each other and bashing Democrats on this website. I know the hardcore partisans will try to paint this whole thing through the Hillary vs Bernie lens, and drive that wedge as hard as they can, but that is just so not where I am at right now. I don't care who anyone has supported in the primaries -- I really don't. As long as you treat your fellow DU members with respect, stop tearing down Democratic public figures (including Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders and everyone else), and don't advocate for Donald Trump or some lost-cause third-party spoiler candidate, then you'll be fine.
If you are criticizing Hillary Clinton because you want to help her succeed, then you'll be fine. But if you are criticizing Hillary Clinton because you want to tear her down, then you won't be fine.
Now, I'm not a mind reader and I can't know for certain what everyone's intentions are. But I think that if the criticism is coming from a place of "wanting her to succeed" then that will be reflected in the tone and substance of the post. If the criticism is coming from a place of "wanting to tear her down" then that will be reflected in the tone and substance of the post. If you are here on DU then you are supposed to be supporting the Democratic nominee against the Republican nominee in the general election -- it shouldn't be very hard to write a post in a way that sounds like it.
I believe that it will be possible to discuss every substantive issue that DUers might want to discuss.
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peace13
(11,076 posts)..of any business. The issues with Clinton's viability as a candidate have put DU in an awkward position.
MADem
(135,425 posts)There's massive money to be made off people who come here strictly to read the links to news sites, who occasionally read a thread but really use this place as a source of links to current events and a four paragraph briefing of What's Happening Now--sort of like a Cliff Notes for news. They don't "join," they don't even lurk, often as not, they just read a bunch of links and move on.
That's where the money is. Not from the lot of us whining and crying.
Also, I notice that some of the biggest complainers from the We Won't Be Able To Rudely Trash Clinton Brigade are a) New and b) Not contributors to this site. They won't be missed because they've probably been here before and will be here again. They'll just have to pick a new screen name and keep their head down so they don't call attention to themselves.
peace13
(11,076 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)primary is actually called, but DU is kindly giving the forum a week to get used to the nominee and the transition. It'll be interesting to see how people use it. This is my first election on DU, so I'm going to take a few hundred people I just got tired of off ignore to see DU as it is.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)I can't copy the link, but there's a thread in GD: P and an article on 538. The current theory is that the nominee will be called after NJ - prior to poll closing in CA.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... clinch the nomination before the convention. Unless one or the other drops out, it appears there will still be a race beyond mid-June.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)There is another thread that explains this better than I will: since Mondale (84), the party and the media have declared presumptive nominees based on pledged delegates + declared superdelegates. Sanders supporters (like Clinton supporters in '08) are less than thrilled by this. Nevertheless, that's what has been done.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)The nominee is decided at the convention by the superdelegates.
There is a very good chance that by the end of July superdelegates will have very good reason to surprise us all in good conscience.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Skinner has indicated that, as far as he is concerned, GD: P shuts down as of 6/15, and DUers are expected to support the presumptive nominee at that point. If you have additional comments/questions/concerns, talk to Skinner. AtA is your friend here. I can't help you.
The Superdelegates are going to vote as they've currently indicated. I'll stipulate that if there is an indictment, that could (not necessarily will) change. Otherwise, I expect the SDs to vote as they've already indicated, which is overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)anything could happen by the end of July.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)We could start 3d printing live turtles
Manitoba could suddenly become the world's celebrity destination
All of these are about as likely as a superdelegare crossover of the magnitude Bernie Sanders would need.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)but I would not be surprised to see them turn to somebody not Clinton or Sanders in a brokered convention
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)I think there's a much better shot of Clinton/Sanders.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)but I do think there is a zero percent shot of Clinton/Sanders.
panader0
(25,816 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Isn't that enough?
I can't go to Free Republic, the Conservative Cave, and the site whose name shall not be mentioned and trash Donald Trump.
panader0
(25,816 posts)No one can be "trashed" by the truth.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)meant to be constructive, but of course the devil's in the "meant to be." Malice is actually really hard to both hide and express.
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I don't know whether to be flattered or concerned about all the attention you are paying to me. You are going to make my girlfriend jealous.
Do you like my new avatar?
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)See, I live in a studio apartment so I am never be out of the sight of my significant other.
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MADem
(135,425 posts)That didn't work out too well, I see! Now I'm curious as to what his august words might have been--lol!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I wish the admins could solve THAT problem--that would probably be the the greatest improvement to civility here than anything else they can do. Returning troll-socks, they're everywhere!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)opposed by many conservatives
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)The only thing that was off limits was advocating voting for anyone other than the candidate. I'm fine with the Bernie people staying and criticizing, but posts with right wing sources ought to be banned. They lie about the Clintons with every breath.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)I read the message from Skinner. It will be tighter this time
charlyvi
(6,537 posts)then there's propagandist bullshit.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)It's time to move on to the real enemy.
chillfactor
(7,576 posts)I am so tired of all of the hate being spread on DU. I cannot wait until June 16th....YEAH!
peace13
(11,076 posts)I hope the Hillary supporters can be positive. For me I will be watching and waiting, silently. I just can't imagine how we are to put all faith that she doesn't get indicted. I'm a liberal person but move conservatively in my convictions. If I had a business partner that did what she did with corporate information, I would end the relationship. Yet we are told to sit down and shut up. No worries.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Hillary Goldman Sachs!
Lolita Island!
Hillary hates kids!
Hillarites get on their knees and pray to their money God!
EMAILSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Indict now.
A vote for Hillary is a vote for fascism!!
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)you missed "sheeple".
and I think the number one belongs between the 3rd and 4th exclamation point.
OwlinAZ
(410 posts)they just wish they were. Maybe "sheeple" does fit.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)you?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Boy my ignore list will fill up fast on that day.
shenmue
(38,506 posts) highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Democratic Party's ranks have swollen in recent years.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)a long. time. from. now. 
Lodestar
(2,388 posts)Gonna get pretty quiet around here if Hillary "wins"....
I'm guessing this is happening prior to the convention so that Bernie's folks can't
plan strategy for the convention?
onenote
(42,715 posts)13 million lurkers, I guess.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)
...And the sea parted..
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Fitting.
Thanks for pointing it out so well.
senz
(11,945 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)
JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)Kiss and make up brothers and sisters, but no tongue damn it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)My first thought way, "Chompin' at the bit, aye?" That reaction, on closer inspection, seems to be correct especially given some of the responses by Hillary supporters. But more deeply, it shows that Hillary supporters really want a space where there is no contention - that everybody agrees. It fits very well with all the posts that show Hill supporters completely bent out of shape about Sanders not being a Democrat (tm), or other people not being Real Democrats (tm).
It speaks to people who want their "tribe" more than anything. That's usually something I associate with good ol' boys flying the "Rebel" or Gadsten flags - republicans - but it seems to apply to this sub-group of Democrats (tm) as well. These are the same people who were (and probably still are) apoplectic about Edward Snowden. They would totally be on his side if he had done what he did under Bush, and in fact people have said that. However, since he embarrassed a Democrat (tm), they hate him.
This is the same kind of emotion that fuels racism - us vs. them, loyalty to a tribe, or however you want to put it. It's not a matter of ideas. And because it's not based on arguments or real positions, it doesn't get much traction with people who don't have the same belief, the same faith. I suppose that the Hillary supporters don't care about that either, because they don't want people who aren't of the same religion - who are not of the body - contaminating their tribe. They also would be more concerned with "suporting their candidate" than in preventing Trump from being president, although they'll use him to scare people into supporting Hillary.
Anyway, this OP provides a great deal of insight, or at least proof, of who the Hillary supporters are.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)You should read the link.
This is how it's been done in previous general elections when Hillary wasn't the nominee.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)June 16th is the first day of general election season.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)That made me laugh.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)It doesn't matter to what I posted above. you all point to "the rulez" as the reason to ban all anti-Hillary comments, but it's really a matter of wanting you tribe, safe space, utopia, whatever.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)It's also point blank explained in the TOS. This site supports Dem candidates and it's clear that no matter who the nominee is, that is who this site will support whether it's Hillary or Bernie.
If you can't accept the rules or what the owners and moderators decide, DU may not be the place for you.
DU is not a free speech zone.
The choice is yours.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)... and the point doesn't matter with regards to what I posted.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)It's right there and the admins have pointedly stated this.
Had you been around here longer and actually read what the admins said you'd know this is normal standard practice during presidential elections. Still don't believe it? Research the archives into previous elections and you'll see for yourself.
But you'll believe whatever you want in order to convince yourself that the deck is stacked against poor defenseless Bernie.
I feel like I'm arguing with a science denier.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)I'm not disagreeing with that, but it has no bearing on what I posted. You are banging on this to distract away from what I posted, but it isn't going to work.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)It's ludicrous.
You are choosing to remain willfully ignorant of DU's history and the rules (which you agreed to, BTW, when you joined) in order to retain a fantasy that does not exist.
DU probably isn't the place for you if you can't handle that this forum will support the Dem nominee and will ban any and all trashing of her when the general election season begins.
Good luck to ya, pal.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)However, you focus only on that rather than the content of what I posted.
Loki
(3,825 posts)It's name calling because your guy isn't winning. What else you choose to call it is purely your inability to accept the facts as they are not as you want them to be. Hey, we have all had to deal with this in politics, personally and professionally. I don't know a person who hasn't. If you want to Hillary bash, or if the shoe was on the other foot, Bernie bash, your place will not be here. Simple.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)But he did, and did not mention anything that I actually did write.
It's funny that Hill supporters spend so much effort proclaiming that she's winning but don't talk about issues. Then, when non-Hill supporters do talk about issues, it's sore loserism (coined from when 2000 in Bush vs. Gore - nice history).
Loki
(3,825 posts)Those of us who support Hillary do discuss issues but you don't pay attention to that either. You don't want a discussion you want your way. You don't want rules that you disagree with which we recognize are part of any society or this website. Sometimes things don't go your way. We will support a candidate that is the Democratic nominee. Period. Human and flawed just like the rest of us but certainly not the monster that the republicans have created. That is the danger we all face and it's an abomination.
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)And Bernie is not the nominee.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)But they won't be able to comprehend it.
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)They ban anybody who isn't for Bernie. So its pick your echo chamber if anything. If the Bernie people prefer to have opposing opinions they could go to Discussionist. I don't think many will though. I think most of them are very closed minded.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)June 16.
Which is well overdue.
Kermitt Gribble
(1,855 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)I find the replies kind of sad. They avoid discussing the actual content of what I posted and instead go off screaming about "teh rulez". It seems like a lot of people have found their synaptic off-switches.
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts) beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Onto electing our first woman president....another first for democrats, liberals and progressives
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)
Sparkly
(24,149 posts)I mean, Skinner... 
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Clinton bashing comes to an end, and so does being a shithead to Sanders supporters. "Civility" is what Skinner is going for so enjoy the "LOL" posts until then.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)it will be interesting to the threads switch over to "how in the world do we defend her against herself and Trump?".
TrueDemVA
(250 posts)I think the centrist have taken over DU for the most part over the last few months. This is nothing new.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Do not want to leave with my account open. How do I completely erase myself? Thank you.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Just go, if you're going.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Just don't login.
That shouldn't be too difficult.
JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)Imagine searching the internet for an intelligent forum that hates everyone on the ballot.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)
LiberalFighter
(50,953 posts)berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)assuming of course Bernie is leading in total delegates.
He will need to win by huge margins in CA, NJ, and other states.
He will also need most of the super delegates to switch from Hillary to him.
Good luck, Berns.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)due to the ever increasing scandal surrounding her reckless handling of state secrets on her private server and personal blackberry.
sheshe2
(83,793 posts)We are amazing and stand front and forward always.
JohnnyLib2
(11,212 posts)Well, maybe not Trump's.
glowing
(12,233 posts)continue to evolve regarding the e-mail situation. The FOIA will continue to have more batches released from their law suit... As well, the FBI should be wrapping up its investigation into the e-mail/ private server situation. And they will begin to take a look at the State Dept and possible bribery through the Ckinton Foundation. That was expected to run during 2017.
What a damn mess the establishment has cooked up all because "it's her turn". They could have had a "welcoming" primary season where several democratic contenders decided to step into the race. The American People could have had the chance to see the "adults" debate one another over the 2015 season and help to delegitimize Trump before he could become the Republican leader.
But, oh no, the DNC set itself up under Debbie like it was another Clinton campaign apparatus. Super Delegates aligned up under Clinton before anyone else had even announced. No wonder a "draft Warrenl campaign didn't happen! The fact that Bernie made the race so competitive was the longest shot in the world... And even now, the entire process has stunk to high heaven. Throwing people off rolls or switching their party affiliation mysteriously. Exit polls varying wildly in favor of HRC, yet the Republican exit polls on the same days of the primary, matching up as they should. And in many states, the entire elected body of democrats in office, lining up behind Clinton to influence the race as much as possible.
In an anti-establishment year, the democracts have run the MOST establishment candidate they could find. And in all this time, from 2008 until 2016, no one could come up with a message? No one could come up with an inspiring platform? She couldn't find her "moon" or "Manhattan Project" to inspire people for?
She couldn't find a leadership direction to take point on and lead? The message in most people's minds are the following: "it's her turn", "I'm female", and "I'm not Trump"... This will absolutely NOT inspire those elusive "swing voters" who identify as independent to even bother voting! And with the e-mail scandal blowing up in her face, the democrats are going to lose the White House. president obama's legacy will be ruined.
AmBlue
(3,111 posts)In that case then, there will only be HRC cheerleaders left here to praise and promote the sad carcass of a failed campaign. What an horrific, avoidable mess that will be. How can the DNC, and DU for that matter, think that voters will go along under these circumstances... hypothetically speaking, of course?
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glowing
(12,233 posts)they were lied to about the e-mail situation saying they are stunned that they were lied to (when many of us who have read the random report here or there that has actually covered the e-mail situation in news reports have said its apparent she's lying and the media isn't doing its due dilligence and the party is making a horrific mistake in allowing someone to run for President who is under FBI investigation in the first place)... It's such a damned mess!!!
Honest to God, I can't understand why there isn't a parade of Democrats in the states to still vote and from the House and Senate, not saying to the media everytime they are in front of a camera, that they would hope for the sake of the party and the election in November, that Clinton should drop out now... No, instead you have Jerry Brown, Boxer, and Feinstein endorsing her candidacy and defending her actions in running the State Dept. seriously, Senator Feinstein, the most pro-war Democratic female Senator, who has in the past, been incredibly concerned with national security issues, stating that the e-mail issue involving Hillary is nothing, no big deal, nothing to see people.
AND if the FBI doesn't conclude there's enough for and indictment or the DOJ doesn't want to pursue criminal charges, then every right wing talking point from here to there, will be saying that President Obama's DOJ is politically protecting "crooked Hillary"... And it will only make President Obama lose favorablity in the eyes of the public. AND be the one scandal that has or may actually have occurred under his watch... And isn't it interesting that it's a Clinton, again, bringing scandal into the Executive Branch of govt... Will the American people trust her to do the business of the people for them? People thought Bernie was being "tough" on her, the Republicans know one thing, and that's how to win; they can't govern for shit, but they sure know how to attack relentlessly, unfairly, and often lie to win elected seats.
This scandal is only going to drive people out of the Democratic Party. And if enough of new people who entered the party only to vote for Bernie, and politicians who identify as progressive, decide to form a new party, a people's party, the Democratic Party might as well consider closing its doors for good. We already have a pro-business, pro-corporate party. We don't need two.
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(7,723 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)
Lucinda
(31,170 posts) stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Mr Maru
(216 posts)
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)
Cha
(297,323 posts) CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts) AmBlue
(3,111 posts)
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Out of 200 replies you picked mine. 
AmBlue
(3,111 posts)I can see you're proud of yourself. Lose sight of the big pic much?
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Stop it, you!
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)
Turin_C3PO
(14,007 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Honestly, I am very much looking forward to that happening.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Or something else?
AmBlue
(3,111 posts)...by big, corrupt Wall Street $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Never, ever, come to pass.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)just cannot bring up facts proving her flaws, or openly complain until she goes turncoat during the GE, which she has a history of doing, more "bring them to heel " moments. If we need to vent, we can go to RJP for 30 minutes a day and use DU to raise support for downticket races
Skinner makes the rules and we respect his management of DU and follow them. I wont be posting about the Pres race anymore if she wins, there is no point in discussing it further. The dye will be cast. I will be storm proofing my life and helping state races and Bernies movement.It is bigger than one very sad election.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)My dislike of Hillary, her past policies, and current problems with an FBI investigations are not tumors that can be removed.
Once again, some just don't "get it".
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I don't know about you, but that isn't something I can do
QC
(26,371 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)
Lithos
(26,403 posts)Ok, even *if* or *when* HRC gets the delegate total, there is still going to be a *LOT* of interplay at the convention where the DNC is working to open up several key platform planks to Bernie Sanders's campaign. There is also quite a bit of down play into other races where both Hillary and Bernie have put stakes into various candidates. The obvious one being Wasserman Schultz.
Given how the conversation has gone here at DU, I'm afraid that such a unilateral declaration this early *will* have a chilling effect on these discussions.
I'm also sad that the proclamation was given in a forum where only the Admins and a single poster can reply. Not sure that any response here, even those which might be factual, will be noted or commented on by the Admins.
Lithos
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)...we will be ignored.
Premature nomination is all the rage.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Or the Paula Jones threads.
Or the gleeful indictment fairy concern troll threads.
Those who want to wallow in that slime can do it in the Jackpine sewer.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)My mom was a carillonneur. I love the bells and went up into the bell tower with her many times. Thanks!!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)
TexasTowelie
(112,252 posts)Glad to see us move into GE mode.
StayFrosty
(237 posts)The great flush
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Kall
(615 posts)"Obama's IG confirms Hillary has been lying and refusing to cooperate and interview for a year" turned into "It's all a Fox News driven, right-wing smear" I'm not long for this place anyway. Others can enjoy an echo chamber at their pleasure.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Kall
(615 posts)It's just disturbing and sad to see people contort themselves to rationalize unethical behaviour when it's "their team", and it's really been hitting the fan.
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emsimon33
(3,128 posts)On to JackpineRadicals
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)But rumors are rumors & the echo chamber here will be unimpeded after the 16th.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)I'm sure you'll probably think it's some sort of Brockian trick. 
http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?9921-TYT-Hillary-Doesn%92t-Care-About-Appealing-To-Bernie-Voters
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... you don't even hint that Bernie won't be the nominee - that gets you banned over there in the "free speech" zone.
I understand that rule will be in effect until the end of Hillary's second term in office.
zigby
(125 posts)Icky.
brooklynite
(94,606 posts)The post June 14 rules is standard TOS.
zigby
(125 posts)Pulling your hair out about the riffraff sticking around =)
Maybe if you knew anything about me, which you don't, you'd recognize that I'm all about getting on the Hillary Train, but I'll be damned if I let a bunch of smug authoritarians tell me how to go about being a Democrat. But ya'll have fun running down that trail. Gonna be a fun season.
And plus, if I get banned for whatnot, I'm not gonna cry into my Cheerios. I have a lot more going on than a website forum, and unless people are buttering their bread by posting here I think it's kinda sad to make this your life. But I'm all about freedom, so you do you.
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)AmBlue
(3,111 posts)It's so warm and welcoming, don't you think?
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts) Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts) VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)"There will be no loyalty, except loyalty towards the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy."
MFM008
(19,818 posts)Attack the real enemy
Donald Trump.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)1 of 16.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)TeacherB87
(249 posts)I can't wait for this to be over.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Have fun, Hillary fans.
Skinner, it ain't over till it's over.
The date should be changed until the nominee is selected at the convention. I know you think Hillary will win, but that may not be the case.
Bernie is the stronger candidate and has an enormous amount of support.
He also has a far better chance to beat Trump than does Hillary.
AmBlue
(3,111 posts)If Bernie people all leave and then HRC collapses under the scrutiny of this investigation, what then?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I agree that the date should be changed until there is a nominee officially chosen at the convention!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)The most extreme of Sanders supporters have been given carte blanche by a broken jury system to turn this site into a cesspool of Hillary Hate with toxic sludge being shared here from sites like Breitbart and Fox News.
After the voting is over, the campaign is over. That's the rule, and Sanders supporters will have to stop trying to tear down the party's nominee and turning DU into a wing of Free Republic just like Clinton supporters had to do the same in 2008.
Rex
(65,616 posts)These repeat offenders will have to find a new place to post. Thank God!
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)baran
(92 posts)
obamanut2012
(26,081 posts)Especially since she was much closer to Obama than Sanders is to her?
Oh wait, I know the reason.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Matt_R
(456 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)
hack89
(39,171 posts)Hillary will win on the first vote. Now Bernie will make some noise regarding the party platform but that does not make it a contested convention.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)It will not be happening in June.
hack89
(39,171 posts)it will be absolutely clear to all (except the most diehard Bernie supporters) that the party has closed ranks behind Hillary and the convention will be a formality.
That doesn't mean Bernie has to drop out, even though I suspect he will. But the primary will be over and the focus will pivot to the GE. Bernie will be in an awkward position - further attacks by him on Hillary will not be tolerated. He can still campaign with a focus on attacking Trump. And he can certainly keep trying to persuade super delegates to switch.
Matt_R
(456 posts)Contested convention means Sanders stays in until the convention and does not concede before.
hack89
(39,171 posts)by going to the convention. In reality the convention vote is a formality - this year will be no different than any other convention since 1984. The candidate with the most pledged delegates once the primaries are over is dubbed the presumptive nominee and the party pivots to the GE prior to the convention. The super delegates will vote for the nominee with the most pledged delegates. More to the point - you will soon see super delegates reaffirming their support for Hillary to squash any notion Bernie might have that he can go to the convention and win.
Bernie can stay in the race until the convention. It will make him look foolish and out of touch but it his his right. If he continues to attack Clinton then he will be publicly humiliated at the convention.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)
Admins could have a moderated site that didn't allow rudeness and name calling but that's too hard and would actually make someone have to take responsibility for what they started. Instead they choose to let DU mimic Freeperville and then decide that they should just shut the rest of us up.
.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)Somehow, those of us who support the candidate who actually has Democratic values are to blame, so it's expected we'll have to sit down and shut up now. Will we get peas this time, or do we still have to provide our own?
To be honest, I don't really care what happens to this site. I've been here a long time and I've watched it go from a great site to just another corporate shill machine. When Hillary fails -- and even better when the indictments fall -- this place will blow up like Wile Coyote with his latest Acme order.
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Hekate
(90,717 posts)
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Disparaging our nominee does not belong on DU.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Circle those wagons!
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Hell, maybe I'll resurrect the Musicians section, I can't remember the last time I saw a recent post in there.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)how does that work?
brooklynite
(94,606 posts)You're NOT allowed to advocate voting against her -- or voting for Bernie as an alternative.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts) beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)....limits what will be posted
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)And Hillary will be the democratic nominee.
I'm sure free republic would love to have you post your email screed on their filthy right wing Trump board after the 15th though.
Have fun.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Plus, there will be new developments to discuss.
I've never been one to make a huge deal of the emails, but it IS freaking worrisome. It's as big an obstacle to Hillary getting elected as Bernie, frankly.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)After the 15th this place is helping democrats not hurting them.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)
betsuni
(25,544 posts)
jpmonk91
(290 posts)Goes directly against freedom of speech
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Tell me, if I go into your house and start ranting and raving about whatever...do you have the right to throw my ass out in the street??
Yes because its your private property and you don't have to put up with my ravings if you don't want to.
This board is also private property and the owner(s) can make up any rules they so desire as far as what is discussed here.
Free speech only applies if the government is trying to stop you from speaking out politically.
Free speech does not apply to whatever happens on the 16th at DU!
jpmonk91
(290 posts)Take your rights for granted. My grandfather worked very hard to defend them in wwii.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)And I'm an USAF vet so I don't take them for granted at all. You just don't understand the concept of free speech.
You have no right to enter private property and say or do anything you want. Its up to the owner of the board what the rules are here, its his private property, just like the rules you have on your private property.
Your right to free speech is about the government trying to stop you, not what is said on or in a persons private property.
jpmonk91
(290 posts)And you're family for your service!
Idk I respectfully disagree. I think of DU as a public collaboration of ideas and opinions. No hard feelings though.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)No hard feelings.
obamanut2012
(26,081 posts)Thanks for the info!
jpmonk91
(290 posts)Takes thier rights for granted
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)
PoliticalPothead
(220 posts)is very telling.
Demsrule86
(68,595 posts)This nonsense needs to end. Trump is the problem and posting crap about the Democratic nominee...is wrong. I wish it could be sooner.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)drop out, the old jew, the old egotistical no body, the fringe candidate coming from the HRC side..........The primary is still going on.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)
Beartracks
(12,816 posts)Since Hillary is our presumptive nominee at this point, I presume that most of her primary supporters are already breathing a big sigh of relief that the Long National Nightmare of a contested nomination will be considered OVER (at least on DU) on June 16 -- assuming, of course that she will indeed still be the presumptive nominee, as we expect. 
So...
Hillary supporters must be beaming (read the posts already in this thread! ) with the thought that Sanders supporters will finally have to Shut.The.F.Up.
I'd like to suggest that Hillary supporters, too, will need to Shut.The.F.Up. about Bernie supporters if this is going to work, and they should just get on with whatever will pass for unification around here.
REASONING: If BernieBros can't bitch and attack and be sore losers, then it stands to reason that Hillbots can't gloat and insult and otherwise be insufferable sore winners.
At least, that's how I'd like to see us proceed.
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Babel_17
(5,400 posts)followed by proclaiming unity?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Thanks for the info.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Mmmm. Sage advice.
"Post accordingly!"
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)
Owl
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