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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:56 PM May 2016

Bernie Sanders reaffirms his lack of respect for democracy

Bernie Sanders reaffirms his lack of respect for democracy

By kos
Tuesday May 31, 2016 · 1:14 PM CDT

Voters? They had their chance and voted wrong.


Bernie Sanders is still praying for a superdelegate coup that will never happen.

Bernie Sanders reaffirmed Sunday that he is not planning to accept defeat in the primary race until the Democratic Party's convention in July, regardless of the outcome of the June 7 primaries, which include delegate-rich California and New Jersey.


The system is rigged—the first states were lily white, giving Sanders an early boost. He’s gotten 46 percent of the delegates while garnering only 43 percent of the popular vote. He’s benefited from low-turnout, undemocratic caucuses when subsequent higher-participation primaries delivered strikingly different results in Washington and Nebraska. And now, even with all those structural advantages, he still wants the supers to steal the election for him.

Ultimately, what surprises me most isn’t Sanders’ autocratic tendencies. It’s that so many people are playing along, as if democracy is optional.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/31/1532881/-Bernie-Sanders-reaffirms-his-lack-of-respect-for-democracy
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Bernie Sanders reaffirms his lack of respect for democracy (Original Post) workinclasszero May 2016 OP
Think of it this way shawn703 May 2016 #1
no one's forcing Bernie to seek to have all of Clinton's voters disenfranchised. geek tragedy May 2016 #2
When he's done mining the last of the fool's gold in CA, I strongly suspect his tone Mr Maru May 2016 #9
The continued lecturing about Supers is maddening SheenaR May 2016 #3
and we'll have a winner on the evening of June 7. nt geek tragedy May 2016 #10
Whatever you say... SheenaR May 2016 #13
we'll know which of us is right in one week, 6 hours and 40 minutes nt geek tragedy May 2016 #14
What side did i choose in this contest SheenaR May 2016 #15
be sure to watch the news that night. nt geek tragedy May 2016 #16
Kos is a self-promoting ass HERVEPA May 2016 #4
Bernie wants to steal a nomination, then expect me to vote for him. Yeah, great plan. CrowCityDem May 2016 #5
Clinton supers switched to Obama, why not Sanders? Vinca May 2016 #6
Really? Damn.... workinclasszero May 2016 #7
Well . . . damn. Vinca May 2016 #19
They switched because Clinton began losing to Obama... cynatnite May 2016 #8
Not to mention, Sanders is to Obama as a cup of Flint tapwater is to Mr Maru May 2016 #11
I love the POTUS, but let's not forget. Vinca May 2016 #20
PBO fought like ever-loving HELL for the advances in coverage that Mr Maru May 2016 #21
You're incorrect. He ceded the public option early on to appease the insurance companies. Vinca Jun 2016 #22
isn't it FUCKED UP that "clinging to purity" is defined as simply AntiBank Jun 2016 #30
They switched because Obama had more delegates. bbrady42 May 2016 #17
Why? Sanders is no Obama. That is why. riversedge Jun 2016 #27
Massive K & R. Thanks for posting. So spot on. Surya Gayatri May 2016 #12
Translation: Hillary and the DNC have zero respect for Democracy AgingAmerican May 2016 #18
+1. nt nc4bo Jun 2016 #23
And your evidence for that is what? mythology Jun 2016 #29
so Kos is arguing that super-delegates are democratic??? Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #24
Oh the hypocrisy after about a year about whining about super delegates, Amimnoch Jun 2016 #25
Divisive post from another Hillary supporter. Time to focus on Trump! B Calm Jun 2016 #26
Ever since my lobotomy, I'm loving this OTT criticism of Sanders! reformist2 Jun 2016 #28
The truth hurts huh? workinclasszero Jun 2016 #31

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
1. Think of it this way
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:01 PM
May 2016

If there was no such thing as the supers, Hillary could have put it away before the convention. Party rules state that a good chunk of the delegates don't cast their votes until the convention, so all these establishment types need to stop whining about Bernie staying in until every delegate makes their voice heard. They have nobody to blame but themselves for this going the distance.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. no one's forcing Bernie to seek to have all of Clinton's voters disenfranchised.
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:02 PM
May 2016

He can admit as of June 8 that he lacks a moral claim to the nomination.

Mr Maru

(216 posts)
9. When he's done mining the last of the fool's gold in CA, I strongly suspect his tone
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:47 PM
May 2016

will change dramatically. He'll be on the step with hat in hand, begging for $$ to retire his massive campaign debt.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
3. The continued lecturing about Supers is maddening
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:04 PM
May 2016

There is no coup. They vote how they want. You tally up the votes for each states pledged and unpledged. You have a winner.

Whoever they vote for is their prerogative

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
15. What side did i choose in this contest
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:24 PM
May 2016

My original post stated that the convention will reveal the winner. And now we will find out in a week. Disagreement. Nothing further.

Vinca

(50,279 posts)
19. Well . . . damn.
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:18 PM
May 2016

I hate to invoke the "I" word, but there is a chance the delegates will flee Hillary en masse. Only time will tell.

Vinca

(50,279 posts)
20. I love the POTUS, but let's not forget.
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:21 PM
May 2016

He gave up on the public option while Bernie wants everyone who is a citizen of the country to automatically get medical care if they need it.

Mr Maru

(216 posts)
21. PBO fought like ever-loving HELL for the advances in coverage that
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:19 PM
May 2016

have allowed countless numbers of people to enjoy coverage they would not have. My daughters (one of them now expecting) included. Clinging to purity would have sunk the entire effort and likely resulted in the continuation of thousands of lives lost needlessly every year to lack of coverage.

He did not "give up" on the public option and that is a damnable and ugly lie. He did the right thing to ensure the ability for us to move forward and help the greatest number of people possible, knowing the effort would continue. That's how it works. That's how important things get done.

Vinca

(50,279 posts)
22. You're incorrect. He ceded the public option early on to appease the insurance companies.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 06:33 AM
Jun 2016

FYI, I also was able to get coverage and I appreciate what he did. But he threw in the towel too early on the public option.

 

AntiBank

(1,339 posts)
30. isn't it FUCKED UP that "clinging to purity" is defined as simply
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 09:01 AM
Jun 2016

advocating for the same type of healthcare system that every other advanced industrialised nation on the world has? Profoundly broken the American system is, politically, morally, financially.

I can't believe I have to move back into this shit for a couple years.

bbrady42

(175 posts)
17. They switched because Obama had more delegates.
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:45 PM
May 2016

If Sanders ends up with more delegates then he should have the nomination. But elections do matter.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
29. And your evidence for that is what?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:50 AM
Jun 2016

It's not the Clinton side who is saying that the voters should be overturned.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
25. Oh the hypocrisy after about a year about whining about super delegates,
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:39 AM
Jun 2016

they have to place their entire aspirations upon them.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
28. Ever since my lobotomy, I'm loving this OTT criticism of Sanders!
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 08:50 AM
Jun 2016

Bernie has autocratic tendencies and hates democracy!!! He really does!!!
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
31. The truth hurts huh?
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jun 2016

Its gonna hurt berners bad on the 7th when all the news media declare Hillary the democratic nominee too.

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