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Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:51 AM May 2016

The worst, most telling part of the Clinton email scandal

It's not missing email; I genuinely believe there's nothing to see there.
It not the constantly-shifting story about how the server got set up, and who knew what about whether it was permitted.
It's not even the colossal lack of judgment and overweening sense of entitlement shown in the whole enterprise.

It's this:

When State Department staff members questioned her use of a nongovernmental email address in 2010, the report said, they were instructed by superiors “never to speak of the secretary’s personal email system again.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/27/opinion/hillary-clinton-drowning-in-email.html

There's your coming Clinton White House, folks: a place where the President will be surrounded by a flunkies picked more for loyalty than judgment, and where staff raising legitimate questions and telling the truth will be silenced while the boss is kept in the dark. You can decide for yourself whether that's more Nixonian, Reaganesque, or W-ish.

But don't worry, be happy and rally around that super-inspiring bumper-sticker slogan: "She won't actually be indicted!"
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The worst, most telling part of the Clinton email scandal (Original Post) Proud Public Servant May 2016 OP
Lol! Yup, there's a bumper sticker for ya! Peace Patriot May 2016 #1
Imo, the worst is the worst in Sanders supporters Hortensis May 2016 #7
Deflection pmorlan1 May 2016 #22
you have to face facts - did sanders mess up Clinton's e-mail? hollysmom May 2016 #25
+1 eom dragonfly301 May 2016 #27
Your ignoring of facts is my subject. She ignored Hortensis May 2016 #32
Hammer meet nail rock May 2016 #30
Or the alternate: Baitball Blogger May 2016 #16
A Hillary WH would likely have looked much like the Hillary campaign GreatGazoo May 2016 #2
I've read that the guy who set up the server wasn't qualified to set up a system Vinca May 2016 #3
That's the Democratic nominee you are slandering on Democratic Underground. onehandle May 2016 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #5
Only two things wrong with that assertion Proud Public Servant May 2016 #10
Slandering? frylock May 2016 #33
Why is the FBI slow walking this? pdsimdars May 2016 #6
I don't think they are slow walking it hootinholler May 2016 #17
Agreed. Many strands in this ugly little web. GreenPartyVoter May 2016 #28
Well, couldn't they put out something that would give everyone a heads up. pdsimdars May 2016 #34
Actually no they can't hootinholler May 2016 #35
The wheels of justice are this slow. nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #37
No, the worst part is all you "Democrats" flogging it here on the DU. Darb May 2016 #8
I've been a Democrat longer Proud Public Servant May 2016 #11
As is your concern...........noted. Darb May 2016 #12
Your post is an embarrassment not only to this site and party, IdaBriggs May 2016 #13
Hello there. Darb May 2016 #14
Shhh! Don't mention their thin-skin rock May 2016 #31
Nah what's embarrassing is so many post about "rules" violations when Trump's been accused of rape uponit7771 May 2016 #20
The truth hurts, doesn't it Darb? You can't hide you head in the sand forever. BillZBubb May 2016 #23
... VulgarPoet May 2016 #38
That is the worst, most telling part -- so far. Octafish May 2016 #9
Yeah. All she had to do was pick somebody from IRM, and just do it. Recursion May 2016 #15
OK so she told people.not to talk about the TPS report Cover page.... still...so what? tia uponit7771 May 2016 #18
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #19
K & R nt findrskeep May 2016 #21
I disagree that is the worst part. BillZBubb May 2016 #24
'I'm probably the most translucent candidate ever to run' LOL DebDoo May 2016 #26
The Boss wasn't in the dark. CentralMass May 2016 #29
And meanwhile Sanders will never speak (truth) about math, BootinUp May 2016 #36
Yeah, that's JUST like violating federal regulations Proud Public Servant May 2016 #39

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. Imo, the worst is the worst in Sanders supporters
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:09 AM
May 2016

that was given opportunity to flare by joining in the right wing's character assassination. Judicial Watch and the other pros knew that's all they were doing.

The usual ancillary witch hunt and eager wood gathering wasn't confined to the far right this time, though; shamefully, some of those eager to railroad her into prison were from the left, "OUR" side, when we're supposed to be the good guys.

Well, America DOES have good guys, people with good hearts, and a basically good party to vote for. It just doesn't include all of those on the left.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
22. Deflection
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:02 AM
May 2016

Pointing out the obvious is hardly character assassination. Sec. Clinton did this to herself. Stop blaming others for it. Are the NYT and other media outlets also joining the right wing's character assassination or do you reserve that claim just for Sanders supporters? By the way "good guys" don't ignore possible criminal activity just because it's one of our own. They try to find out what happened and don't make excuses when one of their own is in the wrong. I understand your frustration about the email and server issue because this is the candidate you support and this has damaged her but lashing out at Sanders supporters because they aren't willing to blindly support what she did is in my opinion unfair.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
25. you have to face facts - did sanders mess up Clinton's e-mail?
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:18 AM
May 2016

no Clinton messed up her own e-mail, she didn't follow rules - and she acknowledges that now. She hired an incompetent hack and got him a political assignment at the state department. She did not shop around for a qualified person or have any of her staff do that, just hired a hack she happened to know.
None of this is Sander's fault but you would think he was causing all this problem because of the accusations that get slammed at him and his followers. No this story is wholly owned by the Clinton family.

Sanders did not pick on her while it was being investigated, but now a report is out, it has only been a few days, and it is news. and people will discuss it.
the source being quoted is the NYtimes - they support Clinton for the election so this is not a biased against her source.

this is not a witch hunt, this is a real story.
Slamming the left side of the party is a great way of helping Clinton lose, I have been told more than once here she does not need my vote - good to know. Republicans walk in lock step on issues right down the rabbit You seem to indicate you want a few democrats at the top to decide what all democrats have to think. We are not like that.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
32. Your ignoring of facts is my subject. She ignored
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:06 AM
May 2016

the rules while she told them to fix the security problem. No intent to commit a crime, and no indictment will come down.

At this point Judicial Watch and the billionaires who fund their attacks are hoping they'll accidentally discover she slept with Vince Foster or something. Otherwise, they'll depend on the anti-Hillary enthusiasts to keep their investment paying off.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
2. A Hillary WH would likely have looked much like the Hillary campaign
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:56 AM
May 2016

Insular, loyal, locked in group-think and nothing but True-believers.

Vinca

(50,279 posts)
3. I've read that the guy who set up the server wasn't qualified to set up a system
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:58 AM
May 2016

to handle classified information. Apparently the first few weeks it was operational it was so unprotected that someone said she might as well have been posting on her Facebook page. And this is all her fault. She also demanded her favorite, little Blackberry and to hell with national security. If this didn't involve Hillary, someone would already have been indicted.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
4. That's the Democratic nominee you are slandering on Democratic Underground.
Tue May 31, 2016, 07:59 AM
May 2016

No negative words for Donald Trump?

Response to onehandle (Reply #4)

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
17. I don't think they are slow walking it
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:40 AM
May 2016

I think the evidence revealed a number of crimes, each of which are fairly complex and take time to tease apart.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
34. Well, couldn't they put out something that would give everyone a heads up.
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:22 PM
May 2016

What good is it going to do if we find out Hillary is likely to get indicted AFTER the convention?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
37. The wheels of justice are this slow.
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:34 PM
May 2016

And this is a very complex case. Nor are they going against a defense team from the public defenders office.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
8. No, the worst part is all you "Democrats" flogging it here on the DU.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:12 AM
May 2016

It's teabagger-type droning and you are bringing it here as if it matters on tiny molecule of shit.

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
11. I've been a Democrat longer
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:21 AM
May 2016

Than you've been alive, probably. My party loyalty is absolute. And it is out of that loyalty that I worry about us having a standard-bearer as weak and tainted as Clinton. But your concern is noted.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
13. Your post is an embarrassment not only to this site and party,
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:30 AM
May 2016

But also to our country! SHAME ON YOU FOR PRETENDING PARTY LOYALTY TRUMPS PATRIOTISM!!

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
14. Hello there.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:36 AM
May 2016

Let me see, did I say something that you can alert on? Hmmmm. Is "hello" offensive?

It's tough around here, walking on eggshells, trying not to offend the socialist wing of the party. Too bad they don't have enough juice to go form their own party, you know, the Socialist Party. I guess we'll just have to keep on pulling our punches so that we don't puncture anyone's thin skin.

See you at the SU.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
23. The truth hurts, doesn't it Darb? You can't hide you head in the sand forever.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:05 AM
May 2016

Sooner or later you're going to have to deal with the fact of Hillary's mendacity.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
9. That is the worst, most telling part -- so far.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:13 AM
May 2016

What the missing emails contain is anybody's guess. As some, if not most, were created on the People's time, they contain the People's business.

Putting their content into a "Private" server looks to be a way to keep public information "off-the-books."

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
15. Yeah. All she had to do was pick somebody from IRM, and just do it.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:37 AM
May 2016

But, as with everything, Mrs. Clinton chose the absolute most fraught and difficult way to achieve her goal.

Have I mentioned I hate this primary season?

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
24. I disagree that is the worst part.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:08 AM
May 2016

Hillary's never ending lying about what she did is the worst part SO FAR. She has no character.

That said, there are worse things still to be revealed. This is only chapter one in a long book.

BootinUp

(47,165 posts)
36. And meanwhile Sanders will never speak (truth) about math,
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:31 PM
May 2016

economic plan fail
campaign race fail
tax return fail

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