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AzDar

(14,023 posts)
Mon May 30, 2016, 07:34 PM May 2016

If Clinton Wants To Be President, She Needs To Explain How She Could Make Such A RECKLESS Decision



Everyone, including Hillary Clinton, now agrees that the newly confirmed secretary of State made a mistake in 2009 when she decided, for the sake of “convenience,” to run her own email system out of her home in Chappaqua, N.Y., rather than use an official State Department email account.

But a new report by State's inspector general makes clear that within two years, Clinton's bad decision had turned into something far worse: a threat to national security, one that she repeatedly ignored despite multiple warnings.

Warning No. 1: The report, released last week, reveals that in January 2011, hackers were attacking her private server. Twice, the Hillary and Bill Clinton staffer responsible for maintaining the server had to shut it off to protect data held by America's top diplomat and the former president. The staffer notified State Department officials of the attempted hack, and Clinton’s top aides there emailed each other to say that “sensitive” matters should not be discussed with Clinton over email.

Warning No. 2: Two months later, the assistant secretary for diplomatic security sent a memorandum on cybersecurity threats directly to Clinton, warning of a dramatic increase in efforts "to compromise the private home email accounts of senior department officials" in a likely attempt to "gain access to policy documents and personal information that could enable technical surveillance and possible blackmail.” The memo to Clinton warned her that some personal email accounts had already been compromised and had “been reconfigured … to automatically forward copies of all composed emails” to the hackers.


More @ Link:http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/05/30/hillary-clinton-email-server-inspector-general-editorials-debates/85159948/

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If Clinton Wants To Be President, She Needs To Explain How She Could Make Such A RECKLESS Decision (Original Post) AzDar May 2016 OP
And kids this is what we call a new media narrative, and unlike the old one nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #1
Clinton has never had a pass. Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #4
LMAO nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #5
This poster is quite funny. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #9
I do not put anybody on ignore, but you are correct, nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #10
So comedic you'd think "he" must be very popular on the outside... JudyM May 2016 #22
Well I don't blame working stiffs for paying the bills. nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #23
Either that or maybe just truly sadly unpopular in the real world... JudyM May 2016 #26
I'm pretty sure he's answering a different call... opiate69 May 2016 #32
Yep. Pretty shallow water in that bay. JudyM May 2016 #46
Cousin by marriage! LOL! How dare Weaver have been born into that family! merrily May 2016 #77
I wonder if we took a collection to match the salary Brock pays people, plus a bonus, if they would Voice for Peace May 2016 #92
A champion for the Iraq War. Broward May 2016 #24
Out of curiosity, what did she successfully fight for, in your opinion? IdaBriggs May 2016 #31
naming inanimate objects. Congress laughed at her larkrake May 2016 #68
She needs to stop creating 840high May 2016 #88
Uh huh pinebox May 2016 #98
I was going to allude to that very point Babel_17 May 2016 #78
The media is also not happy nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #81
Nobody cares except the GOP and the 'Not Hillary' Party. nt onehandle May 2016 #2
And the FBI, DC office to be specific nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #6
Except... we do. LP2K12 May 2016 #11
and many of us who know our President must be a person with elleng May 2016 #56
Laughable on its face! Y'all look foolish with that line. morningfog May 2016 #102
Ho-frikkin-Hum apcalc May 2016 #3
Hard to talk with your head in the sand... AzDar May 2016 #8
Poor judgement? Arrogance? pscot May 2016 #7
Poor judgment works for me. elleng May 2016 #57
I might find this whole email situation more important Tal Vez May 2016 #12
Fmr. AG Eric Holder still thinks Snowden should be prosecuted despite no actual demonstrated damage JonLeibowitz May 2016 #13
Poor Mr. Snowdon Tal Vez May 2016 #17
I am not implying that at all. It was perfectly clear what I meant by my post. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #19
No harm no foul, it seems. Tal Vez May 2016 #34
You're okay with her LIES about it, then? At the VERY LEAST, I mean... AzDar May 2016 #45
I know that you didn't know this about me, but Tal Vez May 2016 #52
... AzDar May 2016 #55
Hillary lied. Period. pinebox May 2016 #99
... AzDar May 2016 #69
Go talk to someone in the intelligence community. . . you are just babbling here. pdsimdars May 2016 #95
Wow... I mean.... opiate69 May 2016 #20
lol, indeed. JonLeibowitz May 2016 #37
Patreus was charged for "leaking" code books jeff47 May 2016 #43
You're absolutely right. Tal Vez May 2016 #49
No, you've violated the law, not a rule. jeff47 May 2016 #50
I know of no one over the age of 25 who has never broken a law or rule or maternal order. Tal Vez May 2016 #54
Yea Sanders was wrong. TimPlo May 2016 #74
Well, you say that Sanders was wrong, Tal Vez May 2016 #79
bernie is focused on the issues - they are his priorities. hopemountain May 2016 #83
I agree that Bernie has tried to focus on important issues. Tal Vez May 2016 #85
Yes, is this a management issue for Sanders? Arneoker May 2016 #93
I agree completely. Tal Vez May 2016 #101
Clever, but wrong. Even when he spoke of her "damn emails", he noted it was under investigation karynnj May 2016 #100
If you want to convince me that I should consider this issue Tal Vez May 2016 #103
There is no way to convince you and there is no way you can convince me it is insignificant karynnj May 2016 #105
We have to make our own decisions. Tal Vez May 2016 #106
you left out the "r" hopemountain May 2016 #82
You're right I did leave out the "r" (by accident, I assure you). Tal Vez May 2016 #84
trust the process, i always say hopemountain May 2016 #87
I agree with your elders. Tal Vez May 2016 #89
Top secret documents lmbradford May 2016 #72
I think I get the gist. Tal Vez May 2016 #75
Hard Hitting Editorial pmorlan1 May 2016 #14
*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP*CLAP* Tarc May 2016 #15
I keep seeing you post this... Utter lack of anything clever to post? Bill Clinton diagnosis? AzDar May 2016 #16
The same, tired propping up of Emailgate as a viable issue Tarc May 2016 #18
Just watching the multiple investigations unfold... Thanks for the kick! AzDar May 2016 #21
Even if he did win by default because of an indictment, it wouldn't validate him KingFlorez May 2016 #28
The poster claps when he/she really likes something and approves of it! nt grasswire May 2016 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author ljm2002 May 2016 #107
"Please GOD, Let Hillary be indicted so that your son Bernie can be the nominee!" KingFlorez May 2016 #25
Full of crap. elleng May 2016 #30
Honey, I read it, so save it KingFlorez May 2016 #33
I'm not your darling, you're no honey, elleng May 2016 #39
...and they think they are convincing us to vote for Hillary. grasswire May 2016 #44
Sure does. elleng May 2016 #53
None Blinder Than Those Who REFUSE To See... AzDar May 2016 #40
Indeed, elleng May 2016 #42
+1 bravenak May 2016 #76
Yup, Hillary Clinton Broke the Rules: our view. elleng May 2016 #27
Why....? beachbumbob May 2016 #29
because: elleng May 2016 #36
This is from USA Today. They are owned by Gannett. IdaBriggs May 2016 #38
It's an op-ed piece annavictorious May 2016 #48
It's from their EDITORIAL BOARD. That means something. IdaBriggs May 2016 #51
No, it was not previously done by other SOS. jeff47 May 2016 #47
Please stop spreading misinformation... ljm2002 May 2016 #108
Hillary Lannister must be made to walk a Gauntlet of Shame LuvLoogie May 2016 #35
people should care Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #58
Sanders needs to explain why he reckless made the decision five times to vote against Thinkingabout May 2016 #59
Look! Over There! A False Tu Quoque Argument! AzDar May 2016 #60
Were you successful in changing his voting record, don't think so. Thinkingabout May 2016 #65
... AzDar May 2016 #66
This. Guns are more dangerous... scscholar May 2016 #67
So in other words... ljm2002 May 2016 #111
She doesn't have to explain anything. politicaljunkie41910 May 2016 #61
and don't care, apparently, elleng May 2016 #71
Really, they clarify "cult of personality" for me. NATIONAL SECURITY means nothing pdsimdars May 2016 #96
many of her decisions are reckless, OR calculated bomb Libya,obstruct Peace accord in Syria, support amborin May 2016 #62
It wasn't "reckless." It may have been against the State Department rules but it was far from Jitter65 May 2016 #63
I HOPE you are being facetious... AzDar May 2016 #64
So State computers allowed remote desktop operations? ljm2002 May 2016 #112
I want to know... Skid Rogue May 2016 #70
Go read something and learn something before your free association nonsense. pdsimdars May 2016 #97
LMAO! Once again... Skid Rogue May 2016 #104
Go bother someone else. Like I said, go learn something. You are really uninformed. pdsimdars May 2016 #114
You make me smile. :) Skid Rogue May 2016 #115
Military ops lmbradford May 2016 #73
You may be thinking of this Art_from_Ark May 2016 #90
She just is one of those people who make bad decisions emsimon33 May 2016 #80
Our Lady Of Poor Judgement... AzDar May 2016 #86
Yes, elleng May 2016 #91
That would be "such a reckless decision WITH NATIONAL SECURITY!!" pdsimdars May 2016 #94
Not "A" reckless decision. A SERIES of reckless decisions. lagomorph777 May 2016 #109
I don't think she or her supporters believe she needs to explain anything. EndElectoral May 2016 #110
She's made more than ONE reckless decision. JUDGEMENT Triana May 2016 #113
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
1. And kids this is what we call a new media narrative, and unlike the old one
Mon May 30, 2016, 07:35 PM
May 2016

they are no longer giving her a pass.

 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
4. Clinton has never had a pass.
Mon May 30, 2016, 07:39 PM
May 2016

She is a champion who has stood tall against al scandals. She will continue to stand tall. Nothing can stop her.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
10. I do not put anybody on ignore, but you are correct,
Mon May 30, 2016, 07:45 PM
May 2016

but he is comedic. I don't think he realizes exactly how much.

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
22. So comedic you'd think "he" must be very popular on the outside...
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:26 PM
May 2016

and yet, nearly 500 posts in 2 weeks of membership here on DU, so...maybe not so much.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
77. Cousin by marriage! LOL! How dare Weaver have been born into that family!
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:00 AM
May 2016

I, for one, appreciate the most recent influx of posters into DU.

I have certainly gotten my share of laughs from DU, but never this many per day.

And I am very shameless about how much I love to smile and laugh.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
92. I wonder if we took a collection to match the salary Brock pays people, plus a bonus, if they would
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:27 AM
May 2016

still post for Hillary.. cos I don't see a lot of heart in many of their posts.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
31. Out of curiosity, what did she successfully fight for, in your opinion?
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:32 PM
May 2016

That nifty flag burning bill? Ooh - she got equal pay for women, right? (Still not a thing, unfortunately.) Access to abortion? Drat -- more problems in every state! No fracking? Except she was promoting it. Hmm...marriage equality? That's a thing now -- except she didn't support it.

Lucky them.

But, to the question, what has she successfully fought FOR?

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
78. I was going to allude to that very point
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:03 AM
May 2016

That's for putting it out there clearly and saving me the trouble. The AP fact check, factcheck.org, network fact checkers, and major editorial boards have established this new narrative.

This was not unforeseen imo, the Clinton campaign is pretty savvy. Californians scratching their heads over both Sanders and Clinton zeroing in on their state, but the promised debate vanishing, need wonder no longer.

The media has questions to ask, and when they get a chance to ask them, they will. It just won't be at the debate that was promised. That's gone.

LP2K12

(885 posts)
11. Except... we do.
Mon May 30, 2016, 07:45 PM
May 2016

I'm voting for Hillary over Trump.

I still care.

Thanks for making me think twice though...

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
102. Laughable on its face! Y'all look foolish with that line.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:16 AM
May 2016

FBI, DOJ, two federal judges, OIG... They all care.

And anyone who gives a rat's ass about the Democratic Party cares, if they are being honest.

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
12. I might find this whole email situation more important
Mon May 30, 2016, 07:48 PM
May 2016

if someone could show me precisely how it led to some actual damage to the country. Having worked in the real world for five decades, I have seen so many mistakes and rule violations that they no longer appear to be unusual. I don't have time for the mistakes that never caused damage. Does anyone really believe that there is a candidate who hasn't made mistakes or violated a rule?

I think articles about this email thing should begin with a paragraph or two about the people who were killed or imprisoned by whatever error has been discovered. It's becoming tedious.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
13. Fmr. AG Eric Holder still thinks Snowden should be prosecuted despite no actual demonstrated damage
Mon May 30, 2016, 07:50 PM
May 2016

Double standard?

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
17. Poor Mr. Snowdon
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:19 PM
May 2016

I think that you're implying that Clinton, like Snowdon, turned classified NSA documents over to the press. The problem is that I've never seen any evidence that Clinton did that.

Poor Mr. Snowdon. What did he do to cause you to drag him into a political attack against Clinton?

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
19. I am not implying that at all. It was perfectly clear what I meant by my post.
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:21 PM
May 2016

Your attempts at arguing a strawman of your choosing will not work.

And if you can't even spell the name 'Snowden' correctly I doubt I can continue this discussion productively.

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
34. No harm no foul, it seems.
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:34 PM
May 2016

Well, I think you've had an opportunity to tell me about any actual damage to the country or to any person as a result of Clinton's use of emails. While your inability to provide any such information is not dispositive, I remain convinced that no significant harm resulted from any mistake that she made. If you later come up with something responsive, please let me know and it can be considered.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
45. You're okay with her LIES about it, then? At the VERY LEAST, I mean...
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:41 PM
May 2016



Not to mention the MULTIPLE unreported HACKING attempts?

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
52. I know that you didn't know this about me, but
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:51 PM
May 2016

I place absolutely no weight on the opinions of Mika Brzezinski or her coffee mate. In fact, it has become so bad that I won't even listen to her. You might just as well show me a clip made by Trump.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
95. Go talk to someone in the intelligence community. . . you are just babbling here.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:47 AM
May 2016

with a lot of empty, uninformed nonsense.

 

opiate69

(10,129 posts)
20. Wow... I mean....
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:23 PM
May 2016

When you hit the reply button, Jon's post was directly above the space you were typing in, with "Snowden" spelled correctly in bold letters, and still, you managed to misspell it three fucking times???

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
43. Patreus was charged for "leaking" code books
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:39 PM
May 2016

to someone who had a security clearance. There is no evidence anyone without a clearance ever saw them. He was charged, and avoided conviction due to a plea deal.

Causing damage is not required to break this law.

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
49. You're absolutely right.
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:46 PM
May 2016

If I park in a handicapped parking place without a placard, I've violated a rule even if there is no harm. We don't disagree about that.

I think, though, that the people raising this email situation are suggesting that it is important enough for me to disqualify a candidate for president. I need more than a mistake or a rule violation to do that.

BTW, you have misspelled Petaeus. I take no offense, but there may be others who are not so forgiving.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
50. No, you've violated the law, not a rule.
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:50 PM
May 2016

But hey, rules, laws, what does it matter? Those are for other people to follow.

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
54. I know of no one over the age of 25 who has never broken a law or rule or maternal order.
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:56 PM
May 2016

See, we're talking about evaluating someone's fitness to serve as president. Show me a violation of rule or law that has caused significant actual harm and I promise to consider it. Senator Sanders knows what I'm talking about. Didn't he grant me permission to become "sick and tired" of hearing about this email issue?

 

TimPlo

(443 posts)
74. Yea Sanders was wrong.
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:45 AM
May 2016

Because he bought into the BS the Clinton camp but out about the emails. And he would rather talk about the issues when he said that. But as Clinton showed she did not mind taking the election into the trash with the Swiftboating they did over Civil Rights issue.

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
79. Well, you say that Sanders was wrong,
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:03 AM
May 2016

but does he admit that he made a mistake?

When did Sanders first discover that he was wrong?

Did Sanders disclose that he was wrong as soon as he discovered that he was wrong or did he conceal that fact for some period of time?

Does Sanders have any documents relating the discovery of his mistake?

Has Sanders destroyed any of the written evidence (e.g., newspapers he read, emails he received) relating to this mistake and its discovery?

You know, I'm not as convinced as you are that Sanders was wrong about any of this. Personally, I think that he has been right from the beginning.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
83. bernie is focused on the issues - they are his priorities.
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:42 AM
May 2016

he is leaving the email investigation to the doj and fbi. he is very clear about staying on the issues.
but, if you want to argue right and wrong about sanders go to the hillary clinton group.

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
85. I agree that Bernie has tried to focus on important issues.
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:54 AM
May 2016

I like Bernie. While I disagree with his bank proposal, I wish that nearly everything else that he advocates could be enacted.

In November, I am going to vote for the Democratic nominee. Like Bernie, I am going to do anything that I can to make sure that Trump never becomes president.

And, I trust that you'll do what you think is right.

Arneoker

(375 posts)
93. Yes, is this a management issue for Sanders?
Tue May 31, 2016, 05:37 AM
May 2016

Or would that just apply to how Burlington College failed after his wife managed it? Or do we assume she actually did okay as I understand she was well-compensated for that?

Is there really any limit to this game? At some point shouldn't we accept that everyone of these politicians has some significant flaws, and that we need to keep perspective in judging what is most important?

Hillary should have been more careful then, and should be more forthcoming now. But her chances of getting indicted over this are about the same as any random person getting indicted over something soon.

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
101. I agree completely.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:06 AM
May 2016

These candidates are human beings. And, each of them have lived busy lives full of complications and mistakes. It is not hard to find a mistake and exaggerate its importance.

Every answer leads to three more questions. If any document no longer exists, then it must have been destroyed as part of a cover-up. It's an easy game to play. That's why I ask about the existence of any significant actual damage. If none can be found, why am I being asked to play this ridiculous game? Why are folks trying to convince me that this really is important? Anything can be made to appear important just by spending a lot of time on it.

I ask about significant actual damage related to this email issue and no one seems to know of any. How can I avoid the conclusion that the issue is worthless for purposes of evaluating Clinton as a candidate?

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
100. Clever, but wrong. Even when he spoke of her "damn emails", he noted it was under investigation
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:05 AM
May 2016

It was one of those investigations that put out a report last week. The Intelligence IG, the FBI and various FOIA cases are still out there.

Sanders was entirely correct that this was not something for him to debate with Clinton - especially as the full truth was at that point known only by Clinton.

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
103. If you want to convince me that I should consider this issue
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:23 AM
May 2016

as part of my evaluation of Clinton, then please tell me what significant actual damage has been caused to the country or to any person by this mistake that was made. Whenever I ask, I receive nothing real. I'm told that it could have resulted in damage, etc. sort of like a car parked in the wrong parking stall could have resulted in a serious problem, but didn't.

All of these candidates have made mistakes, all of them have crossed legal boundaries and all of them have lied to other people during their lives. I begin with the assumption that they are human beings. Show me the actual harm that this mistake has actually caused.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
105. There is no way to convince you and there is no way you can convince me it is insignificant
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:41 AM
May 2016

What I see as a big problem is that this was done intentionally to thwart any oversight from Congress and the media. I value transparency allowing people - via the media - to get good information on things they have a legitimate right to know. Not to mention, basic checks and balances a critical part of the design of our government relies on Congress getting information they need.

Even if you ignore all the security risk concerns and the fact that it is pretty outrageous that the tip of the SD ran on a private server, there is a huge problem with the fact that she left the SD without leaving email for which there already were inquiries. Remember that as HRC accused the committees of dragging out their hearings - they said they were waiting for her email which they repeatedly asked the State Department for.

What is clear is HRC designed the system to stonewall anyone if they wanted anything and she hoped that the SD would be in a position of having to either fight the presumptive Democratic nominee for President or join the stonewall.

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
106. We have to make our own decisions.
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:56 AM
May 2016

I have already voted in the California primary. Personally, in terms of negative factors, I found Clinton's initial Iraq vote to be more significant than this email baloney, but both Clinton and Sanders brought with them both positive and negative factors for me.

My next vote will be in November. I am confident that even if I adopt your standard I will have little difficulty choosing the Democratic nominee over Trump.

Again, however, each of us has to make our own decision.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
82. you left out the "r"
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:37 AM
May 2016

jon was pointing to the double standard.

for example: war crimes by bush and cheney - thousands of our military are dead or permanently traumatized or injured and also the millions of middle eastern innocent children, women, and other citizens bombed or shot and their homes blown up - based upon lies.

the issue with clinton is she lies, lies, lies, & lies. she believes the rules and laws do not apply to her.
names or data regarding those harmed or threatened by her exchange of classified information via her email server is classified.

in other words: we do not and perhaps never will know even a portion of how much she endangered agents, compromised negotiations or interfered with covert actions around the world - because that information is classified.

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
84. You're right I did leave out the "r" (by accident, I assure you).
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:47 AM
May 2016

You're absolutely right that we may never know all of the things that our public officials have done to cause harm. We will probably never know the half of it.

But, you see, I have to vote (at least I want to vote). And, I have to vote based upon what I know. I just can't base my vote on things that I don't know even if I'll never know the things that I don't know.

I just have to do the best that I can with what I do know. And, then I hope for the best.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
87. trust the process, i always say
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:01 AM
May 2016

my elders taught me to use my head and my heart. it can be challenging to reconcile both to a decision - but it is all a learning.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
72. Top secret documents
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:37 AM
May 2016

Were on her unsecure email server, which were access by staff with no security clearance, which were then taken to a mom and pop IT place to be wiped but were first backed up in another companies cloud. Neither of those two companies had any security clearance. Then when the fbi started asking about the server, she asked mom and pop to delete everything but she didnt know that fbi already had gone and picked up the server.

Get the gist yet?

Tal Vez

(660 posts)
75. I think I get the gist.
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:53 AM
May 2016

As I understand it, you believe that some unidentified sensitive information in written form was handled in a manner such that unauthorized persons might have been able to read that sensitive information and, if they had read that sensitive information, they might then have used that sensitive information in a manner such that there might have been damage done to our country.

But, what significant actual damage was done to our country?

If it's serious enough and if Clinton caused it, she should lose my support. Of course, if this is just a lot of partisan coulda, woulda, mighta, then I have to stick with the candidate that I think will make the best president.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
14. Hard Hitting Editorial
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:10 PM
May 2016
While Clinton is under potential criminal investigation by the FBI for the mishandling of classified material sent through her email, remaining silent might be in her best interests and it is certainly her right. But to be president, she is going to have to convince voters that she can put the national security of the United States above her own short-term self-interest.

It's already clear that, in using the private email server, Clinton broke the rules. Now it remains to be seen whether she also broke the law.
 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
16. I keep seeing you post this... Utter lack of anything clever to post? Bill Clinton diagnosis?
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:17 PM
May 2016

The world may never KNOW...

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
18. The same, tired propping up of Emailgate as a viable issue
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:20 PM
May 2016


I just find it amusing/pitiable that you still think this will help Sanders somehow get the nomination.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
28. Even if he did win by default because of an indictment, it wouldn't validate him
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:30 PM
May 2016

If he was the nominee it wouldn't erase the fact that he was rejected by voters. With that said, he's out of luck, because the indictment fairy ain't coming.

Response to AzDar (Reply #16)

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
25. "Please GOD, Let Hillary be indicted so that your son Bernie can be the nominee!"
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:28 PM
May 2016

"you know that we do not care about the emails, but we need that indictment badly. Please do not forsake your child Bernie in his hour need. Do not let Satan steal his holy victory! Smite the devil known as Hillary with an indictment! IN JESUS NAME I PRAY, AMEN!"

elleng

(130,973 posts)
30. Full of crap.
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:31 PM
May 2016

Get this, pay attention:

'Those warnings, coming in a span of six months, should have made any responsible public official, even one without Clinton’s access to classified information on cyber threats from the vast U.S. intelligence network, aware of the national security dangers of failing to secure the secretary of State’s email communications.

Instead, Clinton and several of her top aides continued to use personal email for sensitive State Department business thousands of times.

If Clinton wants to become the president of the United States, she needs to explain how she could make such a reckless decision. She had a chance to answer questions when the Obama administration-appointed inspector general contacted her about the investigation that was released last week. Among five recent secretaries of State, only Clinton refused.

While Clinton is under potential criminal investigation by the FBI for the mishandling of classified material sent through her email, remaining silent might be in her best interests and it is certainly her right. But to be president, she is going to have to convince voters that she can put the national security of the United States above her own short-term self-interest.

It's already clear that, in using the private email server, Clinton broke the rules. Now it remains to be seen whether she also broke the law.'

elleng

(130,973 posts)
39. I'm not your darling, you're no honey,
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:37 PM
May 2016

you don't read well or understand GOOD JUDGMENT, it appears. Bye

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
44. ...and they think they are convincing us to vote for Hillary.
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:40 PM
May 2016

SMH

Every one of those posts drives another potential vote away.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
29. Why....?
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:31 PM
May 2016

Previously done by othe SOS.?and so far nothing has shown any harm been done....this is all foxnews...glen beck and Alex jones crapolla...good to know the company you keep

elleng

(130,973 posts)
36. because:
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:36 PM
May 2016

'Those warnings, coming in a span of six months, should have made any responsible public official, even one without Clinton’s access to classified information on cyber threats from the vast U.S. intelligence network, aware of the national security dangers of failing to secure the secretary of State’s email communications.

Instead, Clinton and several of her top aides continued to use personal email for sensitive State Department business thousands of times.

If Clinton wants to become the president of the United States, she needs to explain how she could make such a reckless decision. She had a chance to answer questions when the Obama administration-appointed inspector general contacted her about the investigation that was released last week. Among five recent secretaries of State, only Clinton refused.

While Clinton is under potential criminal investigation by the FBI for the mishandling of classified material sent through her email, remaining silent might be in her best interests and it is certainly her right. But to be president, she is going to have to convince voters that she can put the national security of the United States above her own short-term self-interest.

It's already clear that, in using the private email server, Clinton broke the rules. Now it remains to be seen whether she also broke the law.'

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
38. This is from USA Today. They are owned by Gannett.
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:37 PM
May 2016

These guys have a nice circulation in both print and online subscribers.

http://marketing.usatoday.com/about

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
51. It's from their EDITORIAL BOARD. That means something.
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:51 PM
May 2016

The one you posted is from a "contributor" -- basically, the Forbes equivalent of a discussion board.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
47. No, it was not previously done by other SOS.
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:42 PM
May 2016

They had private email. They did not have their own server...that had massive security holes.

his is all foxnews...glen beck and Alex jones crapolla

This article is in USA Today. There's a similar article in People. You're going to have to actually pay attention and find out what happened if you hope to successfully deflect.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
108. Please stop spreading misinformation...
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:13 AM
May 2016

...what Clinton did was NOT the same as what was previously done by other SOS's.

Powell did use private email on occasion for State business, but he primarily used his official State email account.

Kerry, who came after Clinton, used private email occasionally -- usually because someone would send an email to his personal account -- but he made it a point to forward all such emails to his official State email account. Among other things, this ensured that all of his State emails would be in one place -- which would facilitate FOIA requests, among other things.

ONLY Hillary Clinton had her own private server in her private home and used her private email accounts from that server to conduct ALL of her State business. Furthermore, ONLY Hillary Clinton insisted on using her unsecured Blackberry, even after being warned specifically about the security problems of the device.

You can argue that she did nothing wrong, if you like. But you cannot truthfully argue that she only did what other SOS's did. "You are entitled to your own opinion; you are not entitled to your own facts."

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
35. Hillary Lannister must be made to walk a Gauntlet of Shame
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:35 PM
May 2016

before the High Sparrow will grace her with his approval. The Faith Militant will not be compromised.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
59. Sanders needs to explain why he reckless made the decision five times to vote against
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:07 PM
May 2016

the Brady Bill, on average 80 people die daily in the US from gun violence and still he does not realize he used bad judgement in voting against this bill.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
111. So in other words...
Tue May 31, 2016, 10:16 AM
May 2016

...Edward Snowden did not even conceivably cause as much damage as, say, a Secretary of State who sold military grade guns to every tinpot dictatorship in the Middle East, many of which ultimately made their way into the hands of ISIS.

Got it.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
61. She doesn't have to explain anything.
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:19 PM
May 2016

Nothing she would say would change the minds of those who already hate her and have no plans to vote for her. Those of us who plan to vote for her know what she's been up against for the past 30 years and don't need an explanation.

elleng

(130,973 posts)
71. and don't care, apparently,
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:30 AM
May 2016

that her judgment is highly flawed, and don't mind supporting such a flawed person for president.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
96. Really, they clarify "cult of personality" for me. NATIONAL SECURITY means nothing
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:53 AM
May 2016

if Hillary did it. And she did do it. They were there. 22 messages that were of a higher classification that TOP SECRET, sitting on her NON GOVERNMENT, private server.

Yet they dismiss it and make excuses and rationalizations. . . . no matter what. They have lost all perspective and judgement.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
62. many of her decisions are reckless, OR calculated bomb Libya,obstruct Peace accord in Syria, support
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:19 PM
May 2016

anti Democratic coup in Honduras, etc

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
63. It wasn't "reckless." It may have been against the State Department rules but it was far from
Mon May 30, 2016, 09:25 PM
May 2016

reckless. Her server was better protected that State Department servers. And no secret or confidential information was compromised. The bin Laden take down happened during that time when she was using her server and personal e-mails. And several other TS operations went down successfully during her time as SOS. The only information ever leaked or hacked was either from Congress or Snowden or Manning.

Skid Rogue

(711 posts)
70. I want to know...
Mon May 30, 2016, 11:17 PM
May 2016

what degree of damage was actually done to our national security. Until someone can pinpoint actual damage due to Classified info being sent by Clinton on unsecured channels, IMO, this is just a Benghazi spin-off.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
97. Go read something and learn something before your free association nonsense.
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:58 AM
May 2016

That has nothing to do with anything.

Here's a good site that is very informative. Because right now, you actually know almost nothing.

http://thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_Timeline


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Skid Rogue

(711 posts)
104. LMAO! Once again...
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:26 AM
May 2016

What damage was done? What classified info was leaked due to Clinton's private email server? How did that adversely affect our National security?

A person as well informed as you obviously are should be able to answer that simple question in a few clear sentences.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
114. Go bother someone else. Like I said, go learn something. You are really uninformed.
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:19 PM
May 2016

Perfect candidate for my list of people without any information behind their words. . . . or, as commonly referred to, my ignore list.

Funny how it's always the Hillary people who don't have any real information but just attitude.

Buh bye.

Skid Rogue

(711 posts)
115. You make me smile. :)
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:34 PM
May 2016

Bother someone else? You responded to my post, to my request for "real information."

So, I repeat...

What damage was done? What classified info was leaked due to Clinton's private email server? How did that adversely affect our National security?


That's not called attitude, it's called a question.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
73. Military ops
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:44 AM
May 2016

One of the commanders (Johnson?) Reported he stopped informing her of upcoming ops bc there was someone telling before the soldiers got there. After he stopped informing her, the ops went smoothly and as planned.

He suggested that her com devices were being hacked., although he has no proof.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
80. She just is one of those people who make bad decisions
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:03 AM
May 2016

Her tactics during the primary are one bad decision after another, alienating nearly 50% of the Party.

Winning-at-any-cost Hillary and her minions are destroying the Democratic Party,

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
94. That would be "such a reckless decision WITH NATIONAL SECURITY!!"
Tue May 31, 2016, 08:46 AM
May 2016

She had NO JUDGEMENT ! And is so imperious that when someone raises the issue they are told to shut up and don't mention it again.

Those the NOT the qualities you want in a President. Not now, not ever.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
113. She's made more than ONE reckless decision. JUDGEMENT
Tue May 31, 2016, 11:06 AM
May 2016

not just "experience" -- MATTERS.

And like it or not, her RECORD shows that her JUDGEMENT is lacking - quite often and in key decisions.

But...first woman President...first woman President...first woman President - is ALL that matters, evidently.




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