So the only way Bernie can win the nomination

[MariaThinks]

is to do really well in the few states that are left. That still will not give him enough declared delegates.

Next he will need to convince super-delegates (which he despises unless they are with him) to go against the will of the people and support the candidate that got the fewer votes.

So the only way for sanders to win is to essentially pull a George w bush and use unelected officials to steal the election for him.

If he cares about democracy, why is Bernie wasting everyone's time and money?

[JoePhilly]

1. Because his supporters would toss him under ...

... the bus if he did not.

[NanceGreggs]

8. Which they will eventually do anyway.

It's just a matter of when.

[floriduck]

2. You gave the answer in you post.

It's called Democracy and it can be messy.

[anotherproletariat]

11. It can be messy, but once the outcome is clear, smart people understand that it doesn't have to be.

Oh wait...

[dchill]

32. "once the outcome is clear, "

But it is most decidedly not, and you know it.

[asuhornets]

47. So u r saying the outcome of the Democratic primary doesnot have a winner, yet?

[dchill]

65. Yes, I'm saying that.

[MariaThinks]

18. Messy being the key word that rules aren't followed and things were done that were not right

to gain power.

So essentially Bernie is willing to stage a revolt, go against the will of the people, and then convince us that the end was worth the means because he was the only person who could save us.

[Armstead]

59. There is no way in hell he could stage a coup...

There is a very slight chance that he could convince SD's who have no legal obligation to support Clinton, but that is not a coup.

The chances of that are slim to none, but in a democracy we let the process play itself out.

That is not a coup or a "revolt."

[seabeyond]

33. It is called ironic hypocrisy.

[Metric System]

3. That's correct. Sanders only path to the nomination is to overturn the will of voters by having SDs

vote for him, even though he has fewer pledged delegates.

[basselope]

9. We don't know the will of the voters... too many were not allowed to vote.

[CrowCityDem]

12. Utter BS. Everyone could vote if they registered at the right time. Their stupidity is their fault.

[basselope]

34. Guess they should have just gotten ID's, right?

[samson212]

42. Super offensive. You're ignoring evidence of disenfranchisement.

[upaloopa]

48. Why didn't Bernie's rallies turn into votes?

Because young people don't vote

[samson212]

49. Why are you asking unrelated questions?

And then belittling voters?

[AgingAmerican]

51. Its a Brock talking point

[MariaThinks]

21. isn't that true in every election? Who can really say if bernie even got the most votes to be

Senator. He should go to court if he believes in this ultimate fantasy and whinning that even after the votes are counted he still won.

I would hate to have a president that lived in such a fairy land - with those terrible math skills.

I don't recall Bernie making a big deal out of African Americans being disenfranchised before, or the poor.

[basselope]

35. Actually, he has made a big deal out of it many times.

Guess maria doesn't think as much as she should.

[MariaThinks]

38. i guess his profile was too small for me to notice him or care.

[basselope]

40. Yeah, that happens with low information voters.

[Cobalt Violet]

52. +1000

[MariaThinks]

67. funny, low information i'm not. Maybe he's a low information candidate. but say what you will

Your candidate is now hurting the party - I hope we survive.

[basselope]

68. Sorry, but your silly statements suggest that you are.

And you are wrong.. I am not a Hillary person.. so my candidate is not hurting the party.

I can tell you for sure, the party won't survive a Hillary candidacy.

[MariaThinks]

70. well there's no accountability so if Hillary wins it's not like you're going to do a mea culpa. I'm

sure she'll be blamed for world war 1 or something.

[basselope]

71. If Hillary wins and the democrats lose in the November, it will be on her

[skylucy]

50. Oh Thank you MariaThinks! I have been wondering about that very thing.

Bernie and all of his supporters are screaming about voting rights and being disenfranchised... But where were they when for the last few years minority voters across the nation have been systematically disenfranchised by Republican's (and the Repub. Tea Party idiots who were elected in midterms because not enough of these "purist liberals" showed up to vote). African Americans standing in line for hours and hours to vote, voter ID laws that affect minorities and the poor (and often the elderly too)...Where was their outrage then? When the Supreme Court gutted the Voter Rights Act? THOSE actions are real violations of voting rights. Not being a member of the Democratic Party and missing the deadline to re-register as a Dem and calling that a violation of voting rights ....That is BS. The Democratic Party here in California does not want Republicans choosing our nominee. Now that Trump is already their nominee, they would LOVE to cross over and mess with our primary. No way.

[basselope]

61. Yep.. the Voter ID argument. Love it.

[LoverOfLiberty]

54. When your argument is

'we wuz robbed!' you have lost touch with reality.

Everyone plays be the same rules.

[opiate69]

14. The superdelegates in my state are flat-out ignoring the will of the voters

by continuing to support Clinton, since she was lambasted in the Caucus.

[Metric System]

16. Even if SDs were re-allocated she'd still be way ahead. Take a gander:

[opiate69]

20. Doesn't change the fact that the whole "will of the voters" canard is a steaming pile of horse shit.

[MariaThinks]

23. must be tough not being able to add and subtract numbers

my sympathy.

[opiate69]

26. Oh, I'd gladly put my math transcripts up against yours any day of the week, sweetums.

[MariaThinks]

28. no need, just add/subtract the numbers in the thread.

the only path to victory for Bernie is to go against the will of the people.

[samson212]

43. Yay, simplifying reality makes unilateral thinking easier!

[Cobalt Violet]

53. +1000

[Metric System]

29. Sigh.

[jamese777]

45. Good

Superdelegates are not there to "obey the will of the people." They are there to help insure that the Democratic Party chooses a candidate with a chance to win. The "will of the people" accounts for 85% of the selection process and superdelegates account for 15%.
The structure of the U.S. Government is not a pure democracy. The Constitution provides for a "republican form of government." Essentially that is elected representatives of the people. Does the Electoral College obey the will of the people? No, it does not, just ask Al Gore.

[lumberjack_jeff]

69. That's the whole point of superdelegates.

Override the voters who picked an unelectable candidate. There can be no other reason.

Yes, it's undemocratic.

[CrowCityDem]

4. I guess he thinks only when an election is obviously stolen will people demand 'real' democracy.

[barrow-wight]

5. You forgot about the pledged delegates they hope to switch.

That's the new meme now: convince the pledged delegates to abandon their candidate. Talk about undemocratic. But it's Bernie, and the ends justify the memes in that camp.

[MariaThinks]

31. bernie's revolution is against democracy - it seems

to whine and whine some more.

[barrow-wight]

37. Well, at least we have a President Clinton to look forward to.

What do they have?

Oh wait. Yes. They have a President Clinton to look forward to also.

[MFM008]

6. because this is now all about Sanders

The lights, the crowds, the media, the headlines.
Sanders says DWS out, Frank out, Malloy out. Everybody listens to Sanders.
Where else can a 75 year old man get such attention?

Hes addicted.

[NanceGreggs]

15. It's been All About Bernie ...

... from the beginning.

And, yes, he IS addicted.

[smiley]

19. how sad...

you exist only to belittle.

[MariaThinks]

24. its sad when people can't add or subtract and live in a fantasyland

and then accuse others of wanting to move to the general election and try to win that.

very sad.

[samson212]

44. Yeesh, this is toxic.

Why aren't we talking about policy and stuff? What's with all the hate? This is a primary! Let people vote! Then we get to talk about the platform!

[KingFlorez]

7. His staff wants to collect paychecks as long as possible

That is what really drives this continuing mess.

[Yurovsky]

10. Just let the string play out...

Normally a "presumptive nominee" would be kicking ass at the end, mopping up all the remaining states. Yet Hillary is struggling with Democrats... Let that sink in.

And if she's under indictment in the coming months, you'll be thanking your lucky stars that Bernie - someone who polls indicate would SPANK Trump - is around to save the day for the Democratic Party.

[CrowCityDem]

13. Obama lost 6 of the last 9 in 2008. Want to reconsider what you just said?

[Metric System]

17. Facts schmacts!

[NanceGreggs]

22. "Mopping up all the remaining states ..."

What a ridiculous notion.

The states were, by and large, going to vote the way they vote regardless of when their primaries were scheduled.

Hillary struggling with Democrats? Not according to the vote/delegate count.

[MariaThinks]

25. i thought bernie said every vote counted? do more recent votes count more?

or is this another one of the statements from Bernie that are self serving and lies?

[seabeyond]

30. I dunno. Clinton did damn good in Washington state a week ago.

[onenote]

39. Apparently the new normal is making up history.

Normally, when one candidate has an all but insurmountable lead, the remaining candidate(s) drop out and thus its pretty easy to "kick ass". But in fact, even where one candidate is the presumptive nominee, its pretty common for them to suffer a series of losses or close calls in the final round of primaries.

For example,in 1984, Mondale was the clear leader going into the last 10 primaries -- he hadn't "sewn it up" but due to the proportional allocation system, there wasn't much chance he would be overtaken. Of the last 10 contests, the presumptive nominee won only 3. He actually came in 3rd in two of the contests and only got over 50 percent in one.

In 1980, Ted Kennedy refused to give up the fight after it became clear he couldn't defeat Jimmy Carter. In the last dozen contests, Carter won only 7. But apart from die hard Kennedy supporters, no one thought Kennedy was going to get the nomination over Carter.

In 1976, Carter lost 5 of the last 8 contests even though he was the presumptive nominee by that point.

And in 2008, proportional allocation made it all but certain Obama would be the nominee as early as mid-May, but Obama still lost 5 of the last 8 contests.

[seabeyond]

27. Well said. Further, he is going to get people within the party to turn against their very party

to vote for an outsider.

But ya... your main point. You are right.

[B Calm]

57. We feel Hillary is the outsider! Get it?

[seabeyond]

58. You can "feel" all you like, but you are wrong.

[B Calm]

60. Not to me and you have no idea what I feel.

[seabeyond]

63. You just told me what you "feel", lol. Point is, feel isn't fact. Fact is Clinton has been a

Democrat her entire adult life. which was the start of this exchange. She has contributed to the Democratic party her entire adult life.

[RBInMaine]

36. The only way he can win is if hell freezes over.

[jamese777]

41. By The numbers

Total popular vote as of May 30th
Hillary Clinton: 13,220,201 (55.4%)
Bernie Sanders: 10,196,828 (42.7%)
-----------------
Donald Trump: 11,663,279

Clinton over Sanders: 3,023,373
Clinton over Trump: 1,556,922
Trump over Sanders: 1,466,451

Hillary Clinton: 1,770 pledged delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,500 pledged delegates

Hillary Clinton: 522 superdelegates
Bernie Sanders: 43 superdelegates

Hillary Clinton: 2,290 total delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,543 total delegates

Hillary Clinton: 27 contests won
Bernie Sanders: 21 contests won

Hillary Clinton needs 93 delegates
Bernie Sanders needs 840 delegates
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

[B Calm]

55. What if the Justice Department indicts her between now and the convention? That would sway SD's.

I think that's one reason Obama hasn't endorsed her yet. She is a deeply flawed candidate and I'm pissed off at the DNC for shoving her to the front and down our throats.

[MariaThinks]

66. what if it turns out someoone accuses Bernie of sexual harrassment?

[frylock]

72. What, like Bill Clinton was accused of?

Didn't Bill Clinton actually pay money to one of the women he was alleged to have harrassed?

[NanceGreggs]

56. There is no way Bernie can "win" ...

... the nomination at this point.

What he now wants is to be handed the nomination without having "won" it - you know, a coronation.

[840high]

62. Trashing this nonsense.

[RobertEarl]

64. Bernie!Bernie!Bernie!

I can already hear the chanting almost two months out.

It will become the chant heard round the world as thousands upon thousands of good US citizens petition the DNC with our voices.

Will the DNC become democratic and listen?

Will the establishment strike back with tear gas and batons?

Will the people prevail, or will democracy be crushed?

This is gonna be exciting as anything most of us have ever seen. Hooray for democracy!