Those who are concerned about Hillary's email situation with respect to

[MariaThinks]

national security should first insist that Dick Cheney or others in the bush administration be indicted for allowing valarie Plame's identity to become public knowledge.

Curious, at why there is no outrage for that deliberate act, but plenty for Hillary Clinton who may have made a mistake but did not actually do anything.

[k8conant]

1. but, but, but she "gets things done"

[Wilms]

2. Go check the archives.

Perhaps you weren't around at the time.

[Jackilope]

3. There was. Remember Pelosi taking impeachment off the table?

Remember Obama taking office and NOTHING consequential happening in terms of war crimes, etc?

It is the continuous sweeping of criminal acts under the rug that is building up. Both sides do it. Both sides are in on it. But let's ruin a kid found with weed ...... Let's take money from For Profit Prisons. Rules and laws are only followed for the poor and non elite.

[brush]

4. And Snowden.

[RKP5637]

5. I agree so much. I like Bernie, but I'm really fed up with all of the email stuff about

Hillary. I really do not think she was some espionage spy covertly using email systems in her basement. Back then, many were not as cautious about security as now. And I have to laugh about indictments. She is not going to be indited. If Bernie were the nominee I would vote for him! If Hillary is the nominee, I will vote for her, no question. Everyone really needs to look at the big picture of what a Trump presidency would usher in. It's far far more than just about Trump IMO!

[Shemp Howard]

12. It's a tough call.

You're certainly right in that Hillary was not running some sort of spy ring in her basement. I see no criminal intent, but a level of carelessness that might approach a criminal level.

So for me, it's a tough call. I suppose the fairest thing to do would be to treat her just as any other government employee in a similar situation would be treated. I doubt if the matter would be dropped if that official was found to have a server in his basement.

Therefore, the investigation must continue.

[RKP5637]

15. Good point! n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. It was nothing for me

Until I read some of the emails released and later classified by state. A mere cog would be doing 15 to 30 in Club Fed for that. She lost control when the server blade was put in the hands of a storage company which had no clearance. She willfully gave that info to a person without any clearance, Syd Blumenthal. Yes, it was one of those emails.

By the way intent is not really applicable in national security cases, this is one.

[RKP5637]

23. You've gone deeper than I have. Yes, that would be quite concerning!!! n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. We cannot really run with it

For reasons of an actual clearance at one time in the household. But yes, we have...or rather I have. This is quite serious.

Oh and we have covered scandals. The bunker mentality and lashing here is classic of a mature scandal. So is the denial among core supporters. I actually feel sorry for them. That will be reality slamming time. Not fun.

And the party now is not just nominating a weak candidate. For god sakes, she admits it, that she is not a natural. But now a deeply wounded one. The media narrative is not going back to nothing burger. The calls for indictment predictably, have started from regional partisan press, like Watergate actually.

The editorials pointing that she is now wounded, perhaps terminally, have also started. And I have heard a couple folks locally who are party activists, beyond the base, share that now they are concerned she will not win tne GE. So things are accelerating.

And I care not who emerges from the convention. I suspect it will not be her.

[RKP5637]

25. Bernie resonates well with millions of people, despite what the deniers say. He reaches many

IMO that feel they are not part of the system. In his own way, Trump does too. Many are leaving the establishments, R and D. And Hillary represents the D establishment. Frankly, I'm fearful of what Nov. 2016 will bring. I do not think TPTB in the democratic party are playing a smart game, I hope It's proved otherwise.

[Wilms]

13. "...covertly using email systems in her basement. FFS, many have done similar..."

Who? :shrug"

[RKP5637]

16. Good catch, I'll fix that. n/t

[AgingAmerican]

6. Were you born yesterday?

[pmorlan1]

7. We did that a long time ago

There are many things the Bush folks should be indicted for and weren't. Outing Plame, spying on Americans, Torture, etc. The list goes on and on. But deflecting to their crimes certainly does not excuse Sec. Clinton for her own.

[Shemp Howard]

8. They are two entirely separate events.

Valerie Plame's outing and Hillary's emails have nothing to do with one another. Each is an important issue, but it is a mistake to link them together in an argument.

Consider a discussion about indicting Cheney. It would not be appropriate for some Republican to jump up and say "Where's the outrage over LBJ escalating the war in Vietnam? Let's talk about that first."

[Jarqui]

9. But there was outrage and folks calling for indictment and for them

to be tried as war criminals for torturing PoWs. And some are still bitter and outspoken that nothing was done.

But this is a different case. It has nothing to do with Bush/Cheney.

The folks who wanted Bush/Cheney indicted - wanted it because they felt they broke the law. I'm not sure I've seen that many of the Dems around here want to see Hillary indicted - even Sanders supporters (wishing for it). I've seen a lot of them, like me, who fear it as a way of losing the White House. The GOP didn't do too hot when Tricky Dick took the fall (but wasn't convicted).

I would say that if both parties broke the laws, there should be outrage if both walk. If Hillary didn't break criminal laws - and to me fairly, she's innocent until proven otherwise - I need more hard evidence and reasoning before I'd indict her, then she shouldn't be indicted. And that is consistent with Bush/Cheney to me except, we were robbed of our day in court to get confirmation of our very strong suspicions about Buch/Cheney. I'm suspicious of Hillary because of all her lying but I haven't seen the open and shut legal argument that she should be indicted - I've seen plenty of good reasoned conjecture. The Bush/Cheney stuff got closer to the bottom of it and was quite compelling.

[NorthCarolina]

10. Last I checked, Dick Cheney wasn't running for POTUS. -nt-

[RKP5637]

18. I'm surprised he hasn't reared his ugly head more than he has. n/t

[NorthCarolina]

19. He's wise to keep a low profile. -nt-

[Schema Thing]

11. Ridiculous. Check the archives.

[opiate69]

14. Yeah... we did that already...

About 10 years before you came along, Sport.

[KeepItReal]

28. Word.

And we weren't the ones who thought impeachment was "off the table" back in the bad old days.

[RDANGELO]

17. It appears that I as Democrat hold our officials to a higher standard than the Republicans do to

theirs. It's possible that Hillary may not have committed a crime with her e-mail server, but her behavior with the blatant lies and reckless behavior was shameful.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. It appears you were not around here

When there were calls for impeachment, taken off the table by Pelosi in 2006. Or the fact that there is no statue of limitations for war crimes. Why do you think they don't leave the US anymore? Oh like Kisinger.

Some of us do not compromise principles because of fucking letters behind a name. You go ahead and do that ok

[basselope]

21. No OUTRAGE?

Are you kidding.. one of the biggest complains about the early Obama administration is that they decided to just MOVE ON, instead of holding people responsible for things like that!

[dchill]

26. Most of us DID.

[catnhatnh]

27. WOW! I never thought of it that way!

Next time someone is murdered I'm going to insist the police solve all the other murders first!

[dchill]

32. +1,000,000

[Scootaloo]

29. Uhm, we have been. Did you not notice? War crimes too, in that particular example

Do you think that reality began the moment you woke up today or something? 'Cause... yeah, lot of people have been calling for the whole Bush Administration to face charges. Or maybe you believe the criminal justice system can only handle cases in chronological order of occurrence?

[IdaBriggs]

30. On what planet do you reside that you can make such an accusation?

HELL YES WE WERE OUTRAGED! The FBI even prosecuted Scooter Libby, who was promptly pardoned. It was an outrage!!!

But don't mistakenly think that means Democrats of any stripe automatically get a pass on similar behavior. We not only expect better, we demand it.

We are NOT the party that enables criminal behavior or refuses to hold leadership accountable.

We are Democrats and anything who thinks we behave like Republicans and will thus excuse Hillary Clinton's bad behavior is in for a rude awakening, hopefully before Herr Trump moves into the White House and every Democrat in office who enables her gets tossed out of office.

[cherokeeprogressive]

31. Yeah I guess you weren't here when the outrage about that incident was discussed daily at DU?

[dchill]

33. Major thread FAIL.

As usual.

[ljm2002]

34. There was a huge amount of outrage for Cheney's act...

...here at DU. We went on about it for weeks, months even. Your little "where is the outrage" ploy is both sad and ridiculous.