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J_J_

(1,213 posts)
Mon May 30, 2016, 11:31 AM May 2016

"Arrogant Insufferable Self-serving Disaster" perfectly describes Hillary's candidacy


Because Hillary is entitled to the nomination because it is her turn....

...the rest of us have to put up with the Democratic party reputation being trashed to all hell, with corruption more evident than in the Bush administration, making us look like the truly corrupt party the GOP has been bashing us for this entire time.

If she did feel so entitled to this nomination, the least she could have done is not use the secretary of state position for personal enrichment, followed the rules etc.

What made her so arrogant as to assume she would get away with everything? She is the one that complained about the vast right wing conspiracy to get her and her husband.

Shouldn't she have at least protected herself from attacks by not committing illegal acts?

Now the rest of us are expected to defend her while the media and GOP attacks her for well deserved reasons?

If she does win the nomination we can expect 4 years of constant attacks, they are already preparing for impeachment.

Why do the rest of us have to put up with this?

There are millions of people in in this country suffering real problems.

For many people the economic situation is a matter of life and death.

And yet we all have to deal with this because it is her turn.

And then they have the nerve to call Bernie's campaign an "arrogant insufferable self serving disaster"

I can't imagine a more perfect description of Hillary.
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"Arrogant Insufferable Self-serving Disaster" perfectly describes Hillary's candidacy (Original Post) J_J_ May 2016 OP
I'm looking forward to June 8th. WhiteTara May 2016 #1
"all this will go away." On June 8th. What's magical about that date? imagine2015 May 2016 #7
actually, it's the 14th WhiteTara May 2016 #12
good to hear. Then things can become progressive again. MariaThinks May 2016 #39
Happy to hear you think Bernie will be the nominee! cui bono May 2016 #121
You mean this Progressive Hillary Silver_Witch May 2016 #142
"DU administrators have noted that after the past primary" only pro-Hillary posts will be allowed. imagine2015 May 2016 #67
This is Democratic Underground WhiteTara May 2016 #68
Is Democratic Underground a subordinate affiliate of the national Democratic Party? imagine2015 May 2016 #122
I was here in 2008 and I don't even vote there. polly7 May 2016 #126
You pretty much lose intelligent people's attention when you use the word "hater". cui bono May 2016 #147
I believe that will happen after we have a "presumptive nomineee", bvar22 May 2016 #119
the convention will give us the actual nominee WhiteTara May 2016 #123
Check "ask the administrators" for WhiteTara May 2016 #150
So, you are saying that after the 14th of June passiveporcupine May 2016 #141
Admins said after "everyone" has voted not the last Primary. "Everyone" includes the SDs n/t davidlynch May 2016 #151
Well, we'll see how they interpret WhiteTara May 2016 #152
We're not going to play "pretend" after the Primaries, according to Skinner. Lil Missy May 2016 #146
I'm looking forward to 2 seconds from now when you go away to my ignore list. Cobalt Violet May 2016 #10
The owner of this site disagrees with you. However the magic date seems to be 6/15 DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #19
My goodness...the FBI will stop that day? nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #17
+1 eom dragonfly301 May 2016 #26
...any time soon. But within our muted chamber, libdem4life May 2016 #82
It will be as entertaining as Free Republic nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #84
Even if you are correct PowerToThePeople May 2016 #28
keep you 'never hillary' sign for free republic MariaThinks May 2016 #41
.. PowerToThePeople May 2016 #45
It'only about winning with you folks...... Chasstev365 May 2016 #34
Amen, they have lost all perspective and ability to think and reason. . . I think that "cult" term pdsimdars May 2016 #101
Yes it is. deathrind May 2016 #102
Especially in November! WhiteTara May 2016 #149
So, scrutinizing the candate of the party will no longer be allowed? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #72
See DU's TOS and then if you have questions WhiteTara May 2016 #75
That makes perfect sense. Then it should just be the GE forum. libdem4life May 2016 #86
another question for WhiteTara May 2016 #89
Not yet...all is purely speculation. libdem4life May 2016 #95
I hate to burst your bubble. WhiteTara May 2016 #97
Bursting Bubbles and Crying are quite juvenile barbs. libdem4life May 2016 #103
I disagree with you. WhiteTara May 2016 #107
OK. libdem4life May 2016 #108
There is whole big world outside of DU m-lekktor May 2016 #76
There is a whole world outside DU WhiteTara May 2016 #77
Like the FBI office in DC? nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #85
It will still be out there. frylock May 2016 #120
In your dreams. First of all it aint over. Secondly we aint going away. You might feel rhett o rick May 2016 #139
She won beachbumbob May 2016 #2
She has not won OwlinAZ May 2016 #11
Really... beachbumbob May 2016 #31
Indicted...check... Merryland May 2016 #40
so much for rational argument. She has not been indicted. MariaThinks May 2016 #43
Yet. 99Forever May 2016 #47
Ever MFM008 May 2016 #112
Are you a Federal Judge? 99Forever May 2016 #124
what does 'yet' mean? Guilty until proven. Guilty, but not yet.? MariaThinks May 2016 #113
Come on, Maria. You know the Sanders campaign has been based on fantasies from day one lunamagica May 2016 #53
I guess the OIG state Department report nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #69
She has NOT been indicted, period. Don't post speculation as fact lunamagica May 2016 #71
The OIG report is not speculation nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #73
It's tick, not tic. They are two different things. bettyellen May 2016 #81
Clock is going in spite of what you post nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #88
Has she been indicted? lunamagica May 2016 #90
Tik tok nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #91
Wake me up when that happens... lunamagica May 2016 #92
It will soon (the report being issued) nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #93
Pretty sure declaring a winner before the last votes counts as speculation. libdem4life May 2016 #94
With hundreds of PDs and millions of votes ahead it's more than speculation lunamagica May 2016 #104
No, it's speculation by definition. Highly likely is a correct term, also. libdem4life May 2016 #105
Nor has she been nominated. libdem4life May 2016 #111
..same to you: bvar22 May 2016 #125
Presumed nominee is correct. libdem4life May 2016 #106
Hillary cannot reach 2383 before the convention. senz May 2016 #133
Trump is still the presumed nominee... ProudProgressiveNow May 2016 #143
Repubs don't use SDs. Trump went over the top on pledged delegates. senz May 2016 #144
They call them unbound delegates. ProudProgressiveNow May 2016 #145
Superdelegates don't vote until the convention eridani May 2016 #140
For all intent and purposes, she won in April. Beacool May 2016 #116
another one for my ignore list. Cobalt Violet May 2016 #15
add me to the ignore list as well MariaThinks May 2016 #44
Okay. Thanks for asking. 99Forever May 2016 #49
especially after he/she leaves the site on the 15th WhiteTara May 2016 #63
The only people who say the she's entitled are the ones who whant the man to get all american girl May 2016 #20
well, that is enlightening, and quite sexist. nt grasswire May 2016 #74
How is it sexist? Bernie wants the SD to overturn the will of the people who voted for all american girl May 2016 #78
Your feeling is wrong. grasswire May 2016 #99
Well, considering that she is a woman, and can't hide, what do you expect her to do? all american girl May 2016 #114
At least she didn't use the gender card...oh wait Ned_Devine May 2016 #80
The FBI investigation cares little about the ballot nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #21
Hillary is hardly entitled to the nomination. If that was true, Arkansas Granny May 2016 #3
Why she beat sanders...Hillary doesn't advocate fantasyland stuff beachbumbob May 2016 #32
Between free college and "better on abortion" you'd be nuts to believe him. bettyellen May 2016 #83
Can WE Say Narcissist? CorporatistNation May 2016 #4
Poor Mika of the brown nose WhiteTara May 2016 #16
Why should I genuflect at the altar of an uber privilged white woman? DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #23
I wouldn't genuflect at the altar of Mika either. WhiteTara May 2016 #57
You're right, genuflecting at the altar of an uber privileged white woman sounds a little sick to me tularetom May 2016 #96
My fan clubs goes around the proverbial corner and then around the block. DemocratSinceBirth May 2016 #100
Getting confusing ...which uber-privileged white woman ? libdem4life May 2016 #110
does mika ever have an original thought? She seems to mimic joe on everything. MariaThinks May 2016 #46
Her father was Carter's biggest adviser mistake WhiteTara May 2016 #60
Hillary planned all of this out to have no viable primary challenger Hydra May 2016 #5
Hillary planned all of this out to have no viable primary challenger <---- this Hiraeth May 2016 #51
"scuse me while I whip this out..... Henhouse May 2016 #6
Wrong. If you don't count the votes Hillary got, Bernie wins. MariaThinks May 2016 #48
lol...n/t Henhouse May 2016 #56
... WhiteTara May 2016 #65
Proves Hillary is the PEOPLES choice! workinclasszero May 2016 #70
This......... Beacool May 2016 #117
There is a major difference between the campaign of Hillary and Bernie Demsrule86 May 2016 #8
When you have to borrow material Bobbie Jo May 2016 #9
K&R CentralMass May 2016 #13
Clinton won the vote because we prefer her and her policy to Sanders. Sanders thinks he deserves seabeyond May 2016 #14
Hillarys Candidacy Devolving into an Arrogant Insufferable Self-serving Disaster AgingAmerican May 2016 #22
? Because Sanders supporters act like real people, the American people did not choose Clinton? seabeyond May 2016 #24
Election fraud by DWS and the DNC AgingAmerican May 2016 #27
Bullshit. More whine. Like saying "the American people are for Sanders". No. More for Clinton. seabeyond May 2016 #30
Fraud with media collusion AgingAmerican May 2016 #33
Progressives voted for our progressive candidate, Hillary, and kicked Sanders ass. seabeyond May 2016 #36
The 'white privilege' establishment vs the people AgingAmerican May 2016 #37
Yes, that would be Sanders and his supporters. Ultimate in establishment. Ultimate in white seabeyond May 2016 #42
Sanders is anti-establishment AgingAmerican May 2016 #52
Sanders is exactly that, hence not having Democratic base support. seabeyond May 2016 #130
Sanders is counting on "The white privilege" establishment to crown him with the momination lunamagica May 2016 #55
DWS/Hillary won't be crowning Bernie, sorry AgingAmerican May 2016 #59
No, they won't. The candidate with more delegates and more votes will be th winner lunamagica May 2016 #61
Yup. Why Sanders is so damn mad at Democrats. We do not let the establishment dictate our seabeyond May 2016 #131
They have been desperately projecting for the last week AgingAmerican May 2016 #18
That word entitled does not mean what you think it means all american girl May 2016 #25
And yet she still won mythology May 2016 #29
is whining how bernie is going to govern? Who wants a president who whines and complains foul MariaThinks May 2016 #50
the only one whining is you. Cobalt Violet May 2016 #54
so original. Just like Bernie. MariaThinks May 2016 #64
Hey, I thought you were being WhiteTara May 2016 #66
People who are always surrounded by drama usually have at last some responsibility for it. highprincipleswork May 2016 #35
Hillary supporters are hurting our children Android3.14 May 2016 #38
Couldn't agree more with every word of your post. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #58
'May your choices reflect your hopes, not your fears." - Nelson Mandela EndElectoral May 2016 #62
I like that dana_b May 2016 #109
Actually Andy823 May 2016 #79
This too...... Beacool May 2016 #118
These Bernie Supporters are doing all they can... Herman4747 May 2016 #148
Oh, come on. Give her time to "evolve" away from those obvious traits. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #87
Bernie, who's not even a registered democrat expects to sweep in and have MariaThinks May 2016 #98
That's more applicable to the LOSING candidate who expects superdelegates to switch to him, Beacool May 2016 #115
Right? The OP is posting from bizarro world. Metric System May 2016 #129
NO! Talk instead about Hillary's lies... Herman4747 May 2016 #134
Oh, please..... Beacool May 2016 #136
She's entitled to the nomination because more people voted for her. Metric System May 2016 #127
"Arrogant insufferable self serving disaster" felix_numinous May 2016 #128
That is a very good description. BillZBubb May 2016 #132
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #135
The Goldwater Girl who campaigned for Nixon Rosa Luxemburg May 2016 #137
YOU MAD,THOUGH....eom asuhornets May 2016 #138
 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
7. "all this will go away." On June 8th. What's magical about that date?
Mon May 30, 2016, 11:48 AM
May 2016

The national convention isn't until late July, not June 8th.

And we won't know who the Democratic Party nominee is until after all the pledged delegates and non-pledged free agent superdelegates have voted.

If you need more information on how the Democratic Party will select their nominee for President I'd be pleased to help you.

There seems to be some genuine confusion on this matter.

Some political novices and the corporate media actually claim the Democratic nominee will be selected on June 7th!

Amazing, isn't it?

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
12. actually, it's the 14th
Mon May 30, 2016, 11:52 AM
May 2016

when the last primary occurs. This is Democratic Underground and the admins have noted that after the last primary, only supporters of the party will be allowed to stay and I look forward to the haters having a new home.

You self righteous help is unneeded and unwanted. Have a nice day.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
142. You mean this Progressive Hillary
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:13 AM
May 2016
snip

Clinton has worked hard to take the edge off her reputation as a card-carrying liberal. She has has collaborated with congressional conservatives on some pieces of legislation, called for a "common ground" on abortion and cut a political figure some on the left see as decidedly un-liberal.



Borrowed from another DU post here http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512091481

You might want to check your candidate.....she is willing to "make limit" abortion to open conversations with Republicans...we all know how that works how.

Do you know how hard us women have fought to have freedom of choice about birth control. Do you know as recently as the early 70's I had to have a NOTE from my husband saying it was okay for me to have my tubes tied. Seriously and Hillary is willing to negotiate with Republicans who want us to have NO birth control and just stay pregnant.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
67. "DU administrators have noted that after the past primary" only pro-Hillary posts will be allowed.
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:56 PM
May 2016

"This is Democratic Underground and the admins have noted that after the last primary, only supporters of the party will be allowed to stay ...."

Do you have a link to verify your claim? Or did you just make that up?

Your claim that only Hillary Clinton supporters will be permitted to post on DU after the primaries because all pro-Bernie posters are "haters" who want Trump to win the general election is false. And you know that's false, don't you?

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
68. This is Democratic Underground
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:03 PM
May 2016

for rules see TOS and you might want to try "Ask the Admin" section of the site for answers to your questions. I didn't say that Bernie posters were party haters, but there are some who are and they will be asked to leave. We are a party and to have those who want nothing but to demand their way even though their preferred candidate did not win the nomination won't be tolerated. This is just like 2008 (were you around then?) when all were instructed to support the party and our candidate or leave.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
122. Is Democratic Underground a subordinate affiliate of the national Democratic Party?
Mon May 30, 2016, 04:31 PM
May 2016

You "were instructed to support the party and our candidate or leave."

We're you required to make financial donations to President Obama's campaign committee?

Well, not even the Democratic Party can instruct registered Democrats, independents or other voters to vote for and otherwise support the Democratic Party and all of its candidates. That's a lot of power in an election! So DU can do what the Democratic Party can't do.

Interesting.
How does DU find out how posters actually vote in an election and is some sort of discipline exacted if the DU'er doesn't vote for or give money to a candidate run by the Democratic Party?

I think you're exaggerating DU discipline just a wee bit.

Isn't that right?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
147. You pretty much lose intelligent people's attention when you use the word "hater".
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:03 AM
May 2016

It shows you can't stand to hear critical analysis.

.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
119. I believe that will happen after we have a "presumptive nomineee",
Mon May 30, 2016, 03:54 PM
May 2016

and THAT won't happen until the convention.

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
123. the convention will give us the actual nominee
Mon May 30, 2016, 04:39 PM
May 2016

and after the primaries, we will have the presumptive nominee is the way that I understand it.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
141. So, you are saying that after the 14th of June
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:39 AM
May 2016

Hillary will have 2383 or more pledged delegates?

Remember...the super delegates cannot vote until the convention, so whom they have backed is really meaningless at this point. The convention isn't until July 25. I don't think it's possible for either candidate to reach 2383 pledged delegates, so the nomination won't be decided until the convention. Unless, of course, one of them concedes (which may happen, but we don't know that).

I don't care who declares her the presumptive nominee based on super delegates.

Until the super delegates vote, nobody knows for sure.

If Skinner tries to put a quash on supporting Bernie before he concedes, it's not going to go well here.

It's kinda like the massive crowds that keep showing up to his rallies. We are not ready to give up as long as he is not ready to give up.



Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
146. We're not going to play "pretend" after the Primaries, according to Skinner.
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:38 AM
May 2016

We are not going to drag out this dumb game of "let's pretend we don't know who the nominee is" until the convention. You' have to go somewhere else to stir shit after that.

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)
10. I'm looking forward to 2 seconds from now when you go away to my ignore list.
Mon May 30, 2016, 11:51 AM
May 2016

Nothing is going away June 8th.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
19. The owner of this site disagrees with you. However the magic date seems to be 6/15
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:01 PM
May 2016

Star Member Skinner (61,708 posts)
1. When the voting is over the primary is over on DU.

This has gone on long enough. Once the voting is done I have no interest in pretending everyone doesn't already know the outcome.

My opinion is that Donald Trump represents an unprecedented threat to this country, and I have no interest in providing a platform for people to act like a Trump presidency isn't such a big deal. I have permitted it during primary season because many people seem determined to pretend we live in a fantasyland where Republicans don't exist -- but once the primary is over reality sets in and we can no longer afford to ignore our Republican opponent.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910453

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
17. My goodness...the FBI will stop that day?
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:01 PM
May 2016

You might be able to get your bunker, slash, safe space here, but in the real world this is not going away

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
28. Even if you are correct
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:06 PM
May 2016

Some time after November 8th, the voices that were wilfully silent to your benefit shall return.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
34. It'only about winning with you folks......
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:12 PM
May 2016

Screw honesty, integrity, a desire to help the middle class, purpose, mission, vision, or principal. AS LONG AS HILLARY WINS!

Very sad!

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
101. Amen, they have lost all perspective and ability to think and reason. . . I think that "cult" term
Mon May 30, 2016, 02:09 PM
May 2016

is apt.

All hail, Princess Weathervane and her ostrich army.

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
102. Yes it is.
Mon May 30, 2016, 02:19 PM
May 2016

It is all about "glass ceilings" and the history to be made of the first woman POTUS. Integrity, competence, position on issues, economic equality, environment, healthcare, education ...etc, etc, etc...are all a distant secondary to the gender issue.

The Democratic Party for the first time in my half century have/had a candidate that spoke to the very core issues of the Democratic Party and the party turned its back on him except to undercut him whenever possible. The Democratic Party as it was traditionally known only exists in name only. The parties hard tack to the right by the DNC/DWS/HRC provide clear and abundant evidence of this.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
72. So, scrutinizing the candate of the party will no longer be allowed?
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:10 PM
May 2016

Will we be issued pom-poms and bullhorns to advertise our "loyalty" to the party? Will there be DNA tests to assure the purists that we are as pure as they?

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
75. See DU's TOS and then if you have questions
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:13 PM
May 2016

there is a section called "Ask the Admin" and you should have all your questions answered. What I do know is that there won't be a GDP forum.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
86. That makes perfect sense. Then it should just be the GE forum.
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:30 PM
May 2016

I think they would have to specifically ban any comments on the legal procedings...because that will surely affect the outcome in November.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
103. Bursting Bubbles and Crying are quite juvenile barbs.
Mon May 30, 2016, 02:25 PM
May 2016

Mature people can disagree without descending into ages that match the above. Really.

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
77. There is a whole world outside DU
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:16 PM
May 2016

where this is insignificant and isn't even an issue. A place where BS isn't even a known.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
120. It will still be out there.
Mon May 30, 2016, 04:09 PM
May 2016

Sure, you'll have your safe space, but that doesn't make any of this go away.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
139. In your dreams. First of all it aint over. Secondly we aint going away. You might feel
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:08 AM
May 2016

comfortable in your bubble of denial, but the 2.5 million American children that are homeless need advocacy and the Progressives are going to provide that while you are rooting for Goldman-Sachs to make larger profits.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
2. She won
Mon May 30, 2016, 11:39 AM
May 2016

Got more votes...got more delegates.....

Has nothing to do with entitlement ....the people chose her...

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
31. Really...
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:10 PM
May 2016

More votes....check
More delegates... Check
Attains 2383 next Tuesday....Check


Presumed nominee.....check

Game over

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
124. Are you a Federal Judge?
Mon May 30, 2016, 04:40 PM
May 2016

Specifically the Federal Judge that this issue will come before?

Because if you aren't, then you have absolutely no fucking say in the matter, neither do any of your True Believer pals. No one is above the law. NO ONE. And that includes people named Clinton.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
113. what does 'yet' mean? Guilty until proven. Guilty, but not yet.?
Mon May 30, 2016, 02:53 PM
May 2016

like I said - it's the end of rational conversation.

btw - I hear Bernie may be indicted for embezzlement. He should withdraw from the race. Why risk it?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
69. I guess the OIG state Department report
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:06 PM
May 2016

Was written by Jane Sanders then

Tik, tok. And the FBI investigation has nada to do with Sanders...

Tik. Tok

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
73. The OIG report is not speculation
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:12 PM
May 2016

And she is under investigation, criminal I might add,,, tik tok. This is not speculation, these are facts. No bunker mentality (part of the evolution of a scandal actually) will not stop that.

Tik, tok.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
94. Pretty sure declaring a winner before the last votes counts as speculation.
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:41 PM
May 2016

I know the Crown still awaits...I get it.

But I'm a basketball fan and I've seen a lot of well-placed "egg on face" of reporters at the final buzzer. A star player goes out with injury, the refs make a couple of bad calls...I could go on.

To coin a phrase, it's not over till it's over.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
104. With hundreds of PDs and millions of votes ahead it's more than speculation
Mon May 30, 2016, 02:27 PM
May 2016

It has been shown over and over again with different scenarios, that Sanders can't catch up with her.

The one with most PDs gets the nomination, and that's Hillary.

Now the loser asking the establishment to give him the nomination? Talk about a coronation!

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
105. No, it's speculation by definition. Highly likely is a correct term, also.
Mon May 30, 2016, 02:33 PM
May 2016

Semantics seem to fail when emotions run high.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
133. Hillary cannot reach 2383 before the convention.
Mon May 30, 2016, 07:27 PM
May 2016

Hillary needs 612 more pledged delegates to get to 2383.

There are only 781 pledged delegates left in the remaining nine primaries:

Virgin Islands, PR, CA Mont NJ, NM, ND SD, DC

Even if Hill does well in several states, she will not be able to reach 2383 pledged delegates.

Sorry!

ProudProgressiveNow

(6,129 posts)
143. Trump is still the presumed nominee...
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:34 AM
May 2016

He had unbound delegates come over to him to put him one (1) vote over the top. At that point AP and the networks declared him the presumptive nominee. They used a combination of bound and unbound delegates that had committed to Trump to make that determination.

They will do the same with HRC.

After the conventions, the winners will be the actual nominees.

ProudProgressiveNow

(6,129 posts)
145. They call them unbound delegates.
Tue May 31, 2016, 02:32 AM
May 2016
The US Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has reached the number of delegates needed to secure the party's presidential nomination.

In North Dakota on Thursday, he thanked 15 unbound delegates from the state who he said "got us right over the top".


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36392084

eridani

(51,907 posts)
140. Superdelegates don't vote until the convention
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:36 AM
May 2016

She can't win without them, so the nomination isn't decided until the convention.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
20. The only people who say the she's entitled are the ones who whant the man to get
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:01 PM
May 2016

the nomination without winning the most votes or delegates....A woman works her ass off and it's still not good enough for these people.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
78. How is it sexist? Bernie wants the SD to overturn the will of the people who voted for
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:16 PM
May 2016

reasons...She has almost 300 more delegates than him, and there is no way he can beat her...It does feel to me that people think this is OK may be the ones who are sexist. I don't think this would be done to a man.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
99. Your feeling is wrong.
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:54 PM
May 2016

People don't oppose HRC because she is a woman. They oppose her because of the things she has done. And one of the things she has done is USE her gender to try to gain advantage. That's wrong and sexist.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
114. Well, considering that she is a woman, and can't hide, what do you expect her to do?
Mon May 30, 2016, 03:06 PM
May 2016

The woman card has been used against her, also...I seem to remember Bernie supports proudly saying they weren't voting with their vaginas...I guess saying that those of us who voted for her were...that was offensive. I don't recall her or her supporters ever saying that men voting for Bernie were voting with there penis. Also, being a woman, running for president, she does bring a different perspective to the table, and she should bring that up...too bad this is a bad thing for some people. I like it that she has a direct understanding what women face. It's nice having our issues talked about. It's just sad that some democrats can't appreciate it.

Arkansas Granny

(31,518 posts)
3. Hillary is hardly entitled to the nomination. If that was true,
Mon May 30, 2016, 11:39 AM
May 2016

she wouldn't have had to work as hard as she has to get to the point she is now. Her message resonates better with her supporters and that's why she leads Bernie in votes, delegates and super delegates.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
83. Between free college and "better on abortion" you'd be nuts to believe him.
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:23 PM
May 2016

It's as if he makes this shit up without knowing what it takes to get anything done. Scary.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
4. Can WE Say Narcissist?
Mon May 30, 2016, 11:39 AM
May 2016
Wonderful post... and then we have that ever so nasty little matter of veracity... actually having to question EVERYTHING she says... because well... she has this history of... well you know... Here is some of it... ya know on the networks about serious shit... even to those media who have been water buckets for her... Kind of sad... A lack of RESPECT even for people who have been her media allies...


MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
96. You're right, genuflecting at the altar of an uber privileged white woman sounds a little sick to me
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:45 PM
May 2016


You definitely should not do that.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
46. does mika ever have an original thought? She seems to mimic joe on everything.
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:30 PM
May 2016

it's the msnbc version of Hannity and combs

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
60. Her father was Carter's biggest adviser mistake
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:48 PM
May 2016

Zbeginew got us into Afghanistan and the whole mess that we now live with, so I think of her as a battered child/now woman and Joe is just a continuation of her mind training.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
5. Hillary planned all of this out to have no viable primary challenger
Mon May 30, 2016, 11:41 AM
May 2016

But she and the establishment have their heads in the clouds- conditions down here are rapidly deteriorating for normal people, yet they go on and on "la-la-la...just a few tweaks..."

Ironically, this sums it up:

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
51. Hillary planned all of this out to have no viable primary challenger <---- this
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:36 PM
May 2016

Bernie came out of nowhere. Blindsided, Hillary.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
48. Wrong. If you don't count the votes Hillary got, Bernie wins.
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:31 PM
May 2016

stop trying to fix the system.


sarcasm off.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
8. There is a major difference between the campaign of Hillary and Bernie
Mon May 30, 2016, 11:48 AM
May 2016

she won...and he lost...for all his whining...he just was not good enough to get people to vote for him.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
9. When you have to borrow material
Mon May 30, 2016, 11:48 AM
May 2016

to make your point, you've already lost.

The "I know what you are, but what am I" argument seems to be all you have left.

So done with this nonsense.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
14. Clinton won the vote because we prefer her and her policy to Sanders. Sanders thinks he deserves
Mon May 30, 2016, 11:56 AM
May 2016

the nomination even though he didn't get the vote.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
27. Election fraud by DWS and the DNC
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:06 PM
May 2016

Hillary's Candidacy Devolving into an Arrogant Insufferable Self-serving Disaster

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
42. Yes, that would be Sanders and his supporters. Ultimate in establishment. Ultimate in white
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:28 PM
May 2016

privileged entitlement.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
55. Sanders is counting on "The white privilege" establishment to crown him with the momination
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:44 PM
May 2016

he has admitted as much.

The people have already chosen Hillary. She's on top in the only poll that really counts: votes. Hillary beats both Sanders and Trump, and Sanders is third...and still, Sanders wants the "white privilege" establishment to give him the nomination. alk about a coronation!

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
61. No, they won't. The candidate with more delegates and more votes will be th winner
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:48 PM
May 2016

And that is Hillary, by a MILE

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
131. Yup. Why Sanders is so damn mad at Democrats. We do not let the establishment dictate our
Mon May 30, 2016, 06:06 PM
May 2016

vote, pushing the Democratic base to the side.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
25. That word entitled does not mean what you think it means
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:05 PM
May 2016

Working you ass to get more votes and delegates is not entitled. Here, let me help explain what that word means...being a man with far, far less votes and delegates and thinking you deserve the nomination over the woman because of....reasons...that's called entitlement. Hope that helps.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
29. And yet she still won
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:06 PM
May 2016

If her candidacy is a disaster, what does that say about the candidacy of the guy she beat handily?

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
50. is whining how bernie is going to govern? Who wants a president who whines and complains foul
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:33 PM
May 2016

even when he knew the rules.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
38. Hillary supporters are hurting our children
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:25 PM
May 2016

They are guaranteeing our children will earn less, remain beholden to college debtors, and never haver affordable insurance or healthcare.

And the weird thing is there's a part of them that knows she is a horrible candidate, but they cannot stop themselves.

They've been beaten down so much, they have empathy, sympathy and positive feelings towards the group that has kept them boxed in for 60 years, right down to defending and identifying with the 1-percenters.

They would lock their own cage and throw away the key, all the while feeling smug and superior.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
58. Couldn't agree more with every word of your post.
Mon May 30, 2016, 12:46 PM
May 2016

Who, with a grain of common sense, acts the way she did as SoS, KNOWING she's planning on running for President?

That is also a word you didn't include... INCOMPETENT.

And who would begin that campaign for President KNOWING her emails to Sid Blumenthal had already been brought to light? What, I ask myself, is wrong with her?

If ahead of time, we had made up a profile of who NOT to make President, she would fit it perfectly.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
79. Actually
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:18 PM
May 2016
"Arrogant Insufferable Self-serving Disaster" pretty much describes the right wing attacks we have seen here on DU from those who "claim" to be supporting Bernie, but in reality have only been here to disrupt, divide, and cause problems on DU. Their only goal is to make sure NO Democrat gets elected in November. They trash and Bash Hillary while claiming to be supporting Bernie, but their actions only make Bernie look bad. It's a great plan to play one side against the other, and even though most trouble makers seem to claim they support Bernie, there are some on the other side also who help keep the fighting going.

Thankfully the end is near, and most of the real "assholes" will be gone, one way or another, no matter what side they claim they were on.
 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
148. These Bernie Supporters are doing all they can...
Tue May 31, 2016, 09:22 AM
May 2016

...to get Hillary to withdraw, for the good of the country.
Because she's an "Arrogant Insufferable Self-serving Disaster" and also a deceitful, insincere, corrupt, narcissistic, incompetent, short-sighted liar striving hard to force us to choose the lesser of two evils:


Don't they look lovely together?

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
87. Oh, come on. Give her time to "evolve" away from those obvious traits.
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:31 PM
May 2016

Of course, one must keep in mind that evolution has no direction.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
98. Bernie, who's not even a registered democrat expects to sweep in and have
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:54 PM
May 2016

all the rules changed to suit him. That's the definition of entitlement.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
115. That's more applicable to the LOSING candidate who expects superdelegates to switch to him,
Mon May 30, 2016, 03:19 PM
May 2016

despite being far behind in pledged delegates and even the popular vote.

Talk about being arrogant and self serving!!!

The chutzpah of the man......

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
134. NO! Talk instead about Hillary's lies...
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:13 PM
May 2016

...and then her scandals, and how successful she has been in keeping evidence of malfeasance from the public. How many voters voted for her in February and now regret doing so?
MOST IMMORAL DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE OF THE PAST 50 YEARS!!!

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
128. "Arrogant insufferable self serving disaster"
Mon May 30, 2016, 05:53 PM
May 2016

now what respectable presidential candidate would invite and risk the wrath of millions of people by insults? What kind of president would mock voters after stealing votes right in front of them? And then come out with 'Kind and Loving Hillary' inspirational propaganda posters as if she has the right to define those terms?

To act out and say cruel things and then deny it as if it never happened is CLASSIC abusive behavior. How many people recognize this as a very low method of control--to break people's spirit down in order to dominate them.

It works as long as people go along with this old programming, and get hooked up into the hurt of it--but when we decide to call it out we realize it is a SIGN OF WEAKNESS not strength. No one with confidence has such a need to insult people. She is under scrutiny and her whole campaign is throwing the worst shit right now.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
132. That is a very good description.
Mon May 30, 2016, 06:41 PM
May 2016

Hillary just can help doing dumb shit. Every step of the way she gives her opponents justification to question her integrity, honesty and competence.

The Clintons cleverly positioned criticism of themselves under the rubric of a "vast right wing conspiracy". Hillary's devoted followers bought that hook, line and sinker. So, any criticism of the Clinton's is to them viewed from that frame. It is cultish. The ability to differentiate between fact based criticism and the partisan variety has vanished. For them, Hillary gets a free pass and any criticism is "unfair, right wing, hate-based, pro-trump, or a lie".

The fact that she lied repeatedly about her email situation is a classic example. The cult just can't comprehend that there is a problem there. It is actually sad to see otherwise intelligent people so morally disconnected. Nothing can shake their support, their devotion.

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