They just showed Hillary marching in a Memorial Day parade on MSNBC

[pinebox]

I have no words.......

I wonder how many people watching the parade lost loved ones in Iraq?

[Depaysement]

1. Was she under fire?

Like in Bosnia?

[CorporatistNation]

6. Absolutely Without....

MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

[merrily]

76. As someone who got victimized when she tried to enlist in the Marines....

[Merryland]

77. I'd forgotten that whopper.

[Depaysement]

171. Totally one-upped me!

Winner! See ya at JP!

[JonathanRackham]

111. Brian Williams filmed it.

[hrmjustin]

2. I lost a cousin in iraq and I am glad she is marching.

[pinebox]

4. Why are you glad?

She voted for a war which never should have happened and I lost 3 friends. I'm sorry but every single politician who supported it should be held accountable and they ZERO business being around any Memorial Day parade.

[hrmjustin]

11. You can show your displeasure at the ballot box or in protest.

And if she is to be president i want her to remember the costs of war.

[pinebox]

12. I can also make my protest known on DU, a discussion forum.

[senz]

142. No you can't. It upsets HIllary supporters.

That's why they conduct periodic purity tests and post threads with comments salivating for the day when Hillary's critics can be purged and the site will be pure "all Hillary all the time." http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512084725

But until then, let us continue to talk freely, for this IS a primary and there are two candidates in this primary contest.

[nilram]

172. +10

[retrowire]

13. How would she be made to remember the costs? nt

[JonLeibowitz]

16. Only through hrmjustin-approved means.

[retrowire]

61. Hmmm... nt

[OwlinAZ]

42. Will certainly do so.

[beachbumbob]

3. Honoring our service people is the point of

Memorial Day....disparaging service to our country isn't...

[pinebox]

8. Correct but sending them to death on false pretenses

isn't an honor, it's utterly disgusting.

Nobody should have died in Iraq. NOBODY.

[beachbumbob]

15. Iraq has nothing to do with Memorial Day....

Dishonoring people who serve doesn't belong here and doesn't belong especially on Memorial Day

[pinebox]

18. What? Did you honestly just say that?

Iraq has nothing to do with Memorial Day?

Ford has nothing to do with cars.
Kellogg's has nothing to cereal.
Cigarette's have nothing to do with cancer.

[hobbit709]

23. That pile isn't big enough for that idiotic statement.

[pinebox]

26. It's frickin' whacked man.

[Jester Messiah]

85. Beach bum's been out in the sun too long. n/t

[beachbumbob]

34. Speaking from point of view of one who understands what Memorial Day

Is about....you best educate yourself

[cherokeeprogressive]

43. Memorial Day is the day we pay homage to those who died serving in the country's Armed Forces.

So no one serving in the Armed Forces died in Iraq?

[beachbumbob]

52. When you want to compare to all the wars?

Really....

[cherokeeprogressive]

56. Actually I also include all those killed in training accidents during peacetime.

Is there a problem?

A war is a war is a war. American servicemen and women died in Iraq. To say Iraq has nothing to do with Memorial Day is simply, well, goofy.

[grasswire]

110. unbelieveable

A death is a death.

Whether the blood runs into the sand of the Middle East or the sand of Normandy Beach. The soldier is just as dead, the mother grieves just as much, the children are just as fatherless.

[pinebox]

49. Which reality are you living in?

Memorial Day is about remembering our troops who gave their life.
This isn't Veterans Day.
Are you confused?

[beachbumbob]

67. Making Memorial Day about politics is disgusting

[liberalnarb]

68. Well your post about Iraq makes you look 100% clueless.

[pinebox]

70. That's your opinion

As I said I lost 3 friends in Iraq. It's Memorial Day, we remember them and I know damn well they'd be here today if people like Hillary hadn't voted for that bullshit war.

[99Forever]

84. As long as chickenhawk warmongers like Hillary Clinton...

... send our Best and Brightest to die for their greed and hubris, it will ALWAYS be about politics.

There's something really wrong on all levels with the statements you've made on this thread. You should be ashamed, but like most Clinton fans, you likely have no shame.

[TheSarcastinator]

29. Derp-a-derp-a-derp-a-doo!

[liberalnarb]

66. Iraq was a war where a shitload of soldiers died.

Memorial day is a day to remember those who died. You might want to self delete to avoid embarrassing yourself further.

[merrily]

78. Huh? Iraq casualities do relate to Memorial Day and protesting Hillary's marching in a parade does

not dishonor anyone who served.

[RufusTFirefly]

79. "Iraq has nothing to do with Memorial Day..."

Wow! I'm speechless.

So few posts, and yet I think you've already made it into the Hall of Fame.

[reddread]

83. and everything to do with Hillary Clinton

[Autumn]

86. Iraq has nothing to do with Memorial Day....

[jack_krass]

90. I never cease to be amazed by the places HRC boosters will go...

The logical fallacies they will try to push as truths...

The mud they are willing to crawl in

All In order to prop up this fatally flawed candidate.

Sad.

[pangaia]

108. WTF???

Do you read?

[AgingAmerican]

113. Hill-think

"Wars Hillary helped start don't count"

[DFab420]

151. You need to step back and seriously think of all the dead Iraq war service members

You just insulted, whether intentional or not.

[LP2K12]

178. Are you kidding me?

I'd like you to meet some Gold Star Families who lost loved ones in Iraq. They'd have some very colorful responses to your statement.

[Depaysement]

173. Actually

The point is to honor the fallen. Get it right or leave it alone.

[Trust Buster]

5. This Sanders supporter has reached a new low IMO. They have reached the point of being blinded

with hatred, even on Memorial Day.

[Fawke Em]

10. This Hillary supporter doesn't seem to realize his/her candidate is a known war hawk.

Marching in a Memorial Day parade after her votes and policies have caused so many to even be memorialized is the height of hubris.

[Trust Buster]

21. Memorial Day is a day to honor those that served and sacrificed. It is not a day to leverage

political hatred.

[BootinUp]

38. +1

[beachbumbob]

37. Amazing...but I suspect very few ever served this country

So it's easy for them to pile the hate on....

[liberalnarb]

69. Very few what ever served this country?

[Merryland]

82. I think we're more disgusted than hateful.

I don't hate HER, but I am sickened by the mess she has created with her self-inflicted stupidity.

[JoePhilly]

152. +1

[Fawke Em]

7. Glad my husband didn't see that.

He's an Army veteran.

He came home one night two weeks ago and announced he wasn't voting this year if it's Clinton and Trump. I talked him into at least voting for the handful of Democrats running locally and in our state downticket and told him just to vote Green or leave the top blank.

I wonder how many people have said that in the past couple of weeks?

[pinebox]

9. Agreed.

[oldandhappy]

41. You are in good company!

Hugs to both of you. I made the same choice.

[DookDook]

58. My FIL was an Army Veteran from the Korean war and he also refused to vote.

My wife and I talked about this issue a few weeks ago and he never talked about why he didn't vote and I my theory went along the lines of the fact that he may have thought that voting was legitimizing a government that would draft young men into he M.I.C. But I really don't know, he didn't talk about his politics or religion and he never talked about the war.

I'm glad your husband is okay and I hope he votes, it used to drive us all crazy that her dad refused to vote and we used to tell him as much.

[bettyellen]

175. He needed to be talked into voting down ticket races? Gosh.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Politicians do that

It is pure Americana. The cnn press critter tried to ask questions and was properly ignored though

[pinebox]

19. And this is why Americans hate politcians

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. I got to do that with Congressman Hunter

At least he is a former marine. But he was in better shape and outran me. But I agree...how they play the press is one reason people do hate pols

[Fritz Walter]

17. Marching?!?

Was her sedan chair being re-upholstered?


And before someone misinterprets my comment, here you go:

[pinebox]

20. No kidding

but to some above, Iraq has nothing to do with Memorial Day.

[Demsrule86]

22. Bernie voted for Afghanistan and Yugoslavia

so spare me your faux outrage.

[pinebox]

30. Please? Equating those to Iraq is a joke

and you know better.

[annavictorious]

40. Tell that to the people who died in those conflicts and their families.

My goodness. Aren't you cavalier with other people's lives.

We get it. There's always an excuse when Sanders does it. He's the exception to every rule.

[pinebox]

44. Can you tell us please where troops were sent into action

on false pretenses in those conflicts?
We'll wait.

Hillary voted for a war based on lies and did NOT have the judgement to tell that. Obama and Bernie did. That's reality. Your spin is only that, spin, like a top that just fell on its side.

[annavictorious]

54. Once again, Obama was not in Congress when the Iraq vote was taken.

You need to brush up on the actual facts if you want to make a cogent argument.

[JonLeibowitz]

75. Or you on your reading comprehension if you think pinebox said Obama voted against the war.

Speaking out against the war can be done outside the hallowed halls of Congress.

[OwlinAZ]

51. Everything you imply is false.

[annavictorious]

32. Sanders also brought home the bacon in the form of a $1,000,000,000,000 killing machine

that the Department of Defense didn't want, but Sanders insisted they needed because he had cut a deal to have it manufactured in Vermont.

[pinebox]

39. I suggest you read this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511108173

[ebayfool]

160. That was an awesome link! Obviously the person you were talking to didn't read it ...

but I missed it when originally posted. So it wasn't wasted effort - TY!

[WhiteTara]

50. He also voted for the authorization of the use of military force

before Iraq. You may adore and love him, but in the end, he is a politician.

[pinebox]

31. Yeah I'm so self righteous

that 2 of my favorite people voted against a war we shouldn't have fought. Obama and Bernie.

There's your reality.

[annavictorious]

46. Obama didn't vote against the Iraq war

Obama was a state senator in Illinois at the time of the Iraq war vote. He wasn't yet in Congress.

My suggestion is that you might want to read up on your two favorite people. You don't seem to know much about them.

[pinebox]

57. Should have clarified

Funding. In 2007 he voted against a bill which ad no time table pull out.

[cherokeeprogressive]

65. I know you can't reply in this thread after having a post hidden, but I think you're not as good at

math as your fellow Hillary supporters claim to be.

Here's a little fact about the 2000 election and "Naderites" who you claim caused Gore to lose... Tennessee had 11 electoral votes. Had Al Gore managed to win his OWN HOME STATE, he would have won the election no matter how many recounts they had in Florida. Those 11 electoral votes would have put him over the top. Ralph Nader's votes in Tennessee had no bearing on who got those 11 electoral votes.

[QC]

87. And 300,000 conservative Democrats--the kind now overrunning this place

and demanding that everyone else leave--voted for Bush in Florida.

But we're supposed to kiss the asses of the "blue dog" types.

[hobbit709]

89. Or the fact that 300K Democrats voted for Bush in Florida.

But it's Nader's fault that Gore lost. There's some real contorting going on there.

[Tom Rinaldo]

25. By that logic McCain and Kerry can't march in a Memorial Day Parade either

I think that's a stretch too far. She can honor those who have served, in fact if anything she has more of an obligation to do so than most of us.

[pinebox]

35. I don't think it's a stretch too far at all

If you voted for the biggest blunder in American history which lead to the senseless death of millions of people, you shouldn't be serving in Gov't period.

[Tom Rinaldo]

47. I know feelings will differ on this

and I respect where you are coming from.

[Bonobo]

28. Was she with her old unit? The one she said she was planning on joining? nt

[pinebox]

36. LOL no kidding

[Alfresco]

33. She'll be participating in Memorial Day ceremonies as Prez for the next 8 years. Deal with it.

[pinebox]

45. As president of Walmart or Dollar General perhaps

[oldandhappy]

48. she stopped campaigning in CA

In a parade she does not have to answer questions. Interesting.

[TheFarS1de]

167. I thought the same thing

High visibility and an inability to be questioned ..... hiding in the open .

[Softail1]

53. we have to drag dead soldiers out of their graves..

...and turn them into political footballs?..Really?..gross. We honor those that sacrificed their lives in the name of their country. Nothing more, nothing less. I find it sad that some are incapable of putting politics aside for even one moment. Yes, I am a veteran, my dad was a veteran, and my son is a veteran.

[pinebox]

60. Ya it's gross that we hold politicians accountable

for people who died who never should have.

It's Memorial Day. A day when we remember them. I lost 3 friends in a war which never should have happened and that is the biggest blunder in American history. Hillary supported that war.

[RBInMaine]

55. My goodness, what a completely A-HOLE thing to say.

[Cheese Sandwich]

59. You know what's more of an a-hole thing to say?

[pinebox]

63. You upset?

Have a hug.

[Rattlesnake Chaser]

62. Tone. Deaf.

That's for sure.

[pinebox]

64. Utterly so

[oberliner]

72. You have no words for Hillary Clinton marching in a Memorial Day parade?

This insults/sickens you?

[pinebox]

73. It sure does

Go read the responses in this thread.

[oberliner]

94. That sentiment is baffling to me

Everyone ought to march in a Memorial Day parade if they are able.

[Duckhunter935]

74. Hope she was not under sniper fire like in Bosnia

[George II]

80. Remember, Sanders voted to fund that war many more times than Clinton did, but....

....as he would put it, "that bill would have passed anyway".

And before you say not funding the was would have left the troops stranded, that is NOT true, they would have been brought home sooner.

Have it your way.

[MariaThinks]

81. you have no words because she is marching in a parade to honor service people?

How do you feel when you look at bush and cheney?

And Trump who's prepared to start a whole lot of new wars based on his warped sense of reality?


the bounds of hatred must cloud rational thinking.

[pinebox]

119. Your judgement is clouded just like your candidates

I feel the same way when I look at Bush & Cheney. You have a problem with that?

Sorry but this isn't about Trump, spin as you may.

It's about Hillary marching in a Memorial Day parade where she has zero business marching. As I said, I wonder how many people watching her do that lost loved ones in Iraq, a war she voted for and a country she called a "business opportunity".

[MariaThinks]

131. you think you have the right to tell Hillary where she can and can't march.

talk about deluded.

[pinebox]

141. Reality called

It wants their lost in the forest ideology back.

[RandySF]

88. Oh boy

So many heads are going to explode at the convention that we all may need to wear garbage bags. Why don't you all just save yourselves the stress and just vote for Trump?

[Ino]

91. Was the rabble cordoned off with rope?

[pinebox]

120. Yeah there's your freedom of speech zone

[LibDemAlways]

154. The Little People are always cordoned off behind a rope.

It's the main reason why I avoid events at which celebrities will be present -- whether politicians or movie types. I don't need to be reminded that I'm a nobody and there must be a physical barrier separating me from the big shots with money, power, and influence.

[coco77]

158. LOl!This looks so stupid..

What was she thinking.

[coco77]

159. Oh,I forgot..

She has bad Judgment

[Broward]

92. Memorial Day reminds us of the ultimate cost of war.

That Hillary is the presumptive nominee for the Dem Party shows that there's no cost to politicians that vote for bullshit wars.

[pinebox]

121. Amen.

[madamesilverspurs]

93. Are we expected

to disparage those veterans who walk beside her and campaign for her?

[pinebox]

122. Cam you show me where I said anything about the vets in the parade?

Of course you can't.

[MyNameGoesHere]

95. I don't know how many, Maybe you should ask fucking bush?

[pinebox]

123. How about I ask both

[MyNameGoesHere]

146. Well, Bye.

Nice knowing you. I know DU doesn't allow Republican agitators.

[pinebox]

147. It allows reality

[EndElectoral]

96. I always find the biggest hawks are first in line for memorial day parades. Guilt?

[pinebox]

124. Probably

[MADem]

97. Yes, her opponent voted twice for regime change in that country.

His YEA votes were used as part of the justification for the IWR.

Here are a few words on the topic: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/16/blood-traces-bernies-iraq-war-hypocrisy/

[EndElectoral]

109. You do realize that a regime change resolution is different than authorizing military force to do so

The Serbian response asked for by Bill Clinton was almost a NATO Allied response due to extreme atrocities and expansion of Serbia into Europe. btw...this didn't cost one US life.

The response in 2001 was in Afghanisitan who was harboring and actively supporting terorrists who had just directly bombed the trade centers.

Iraq had not invaded any foreign country since Kuwait a decade earlier, had no WMD's and was not harboring Al Queda.

Let me illustrate a point between HRC and Sanders. Sanders "wants" regime change in Syria and would vote for it to get rid of Asad, but he would not authorize military action in the current civil war. HRC would take immediate military action to do so. Both have made this quite clear. Sanders prefers to work via the UN. HRC prefers to act based on her own intelligence sources.

If we leaned anything from Iraq it is that wars are easy to get into, more difficult to get out of. Something George Washington warned in his farewell address after serving as our first President.

[MADem]

115. You do realize that voting, repeatedly, to fund a war is worse than

authorizing it in the first place?

Don't pull out that "the troops won't get fed" canard as a retort, either. A continuing resolution, absent a budget, keeps the troops fed and paid, and the ships and aircraft fueled--at the same levels as the previous year. I know--I did my duty for months at a time on them.

He's part of the MIC. His fans studiously ignore this, but it obvious to anyone who understands his burgeoning relationship with Lockheed Martin and Sandia Labs (they don't make toasters, fwiw--but they have been known to create quite the burn).

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2016/02/09/bernie-sanders-loves-this-1-trillion-war-machine/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/48501610.cached.jpg

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/09/bernie-sanders-loves-this-1-trillion-war-machine.html

The socialist trumpets his antiwar record. But he doesn’t mind expensive war machines—if they’re based in his home state.

MANCHESTER, New Hampshire — Sen. Bernie Sanders has railed against big defense corporations at rallies, but he has a more complex history with the military-industrial complex. Most notably, he’s supported a $1.2 trillion stealth fighter that’s considered by many to be one of the bigger boondoggles in Pentagon history.
Sanders has made his opposition to Hillary Clinton’s hawkishness a cornerstone of his campaign. But he hasn’t exactly been antiwar all his career. When it has come time to choose between defense jobs and a dovish defense policy, Sanders has consistently chosen to stand with the arms-makers rather than the peaceniks—leading to tension with some of the most adamant adherents of progressive ideology.
In 1985, for example, protesters massed at the General Electric plant in Burlington, Vermont, where Sanders was serving as mayor. They were protesting the fact that the plant was manufacturing Gatling guns to fight socialists in Central America.
Jim Condon, now a Democratic state legislator in Vermont, was news director of a local radio station at the time and describes himself as an “old acquaintance” of the senator.
“There were protesters who were unhappy that General Electric was manufacturing Gatling guns at the plant, and so they would lock themselves to the gates and engage in civil disobedience. And so the mayor, Bernie, finally got cops to go in and arrest the protesters,” Condon told The Daily Beast. “The GE plant was one of the largest providers of jobs in the city. So it was economically important that the plant stay open and people who worked there went to work.”

[EndElectoral]

137. We totally disagree on this. Voting to initiate a war versus voting to supply troops in the field..

is not even remotely equivalent.

[MADem]

143. Yes, because voting to add weapons systems to the mix

PERPETUATES war--it feeds the beast. Not voting to fund a war, as I said, and you ignored, places the Services in a "last year" continuing resolution funding level. People get paid and fed, at the exact same levels as last year, they just can't buy those new and expensive systems of destruction -- you know, like that crappy boondoggle F-35 Sanders loves so well.

Voting to "authorize" war leaves the choice to proceed--or NOT--up to the CinC. It does not make war inevitable, it simply gives the CinC room to move. Smart CinCs use it like that. Stupid ones invade countries, not even realizing that there's "More than one type of Muslim."

Bernie is way more MIC-friendly than you realize. He's not a plowshares guy. Don't buy the hype. He's never met a drone he didn't like.

It doesn't matter anyway. He's got just over a week to switch gears, get settled back into his office in the Senate, and tell his remaining staff to pay off the rest of the bills, and send out one last fundraising blast if he comes up short. Which he might, because those recurring donations have been cut off and his money spigot is starting to run dry.

"Poor Tad Devine" will have to find another campaign--his company has pulled millions in on this one. And Chuck Todd's wife will have to find new work, too--though she's unlikely to get a gig with a million dollar+ payday like this one.

It will be an adjustment, but there's no path for him--there hasn't been for some time now.

[EndElectoral]

148. Sanders didn't vote to start a war. He voted to fund existing troops. Sorry you can't see the diff

[MADem]

182. He voted for the weapons systems to prosecute war. The existing troops would

have their beans and bullets, through a continuing resolution, even if everyone voted NAY or the POTUS vetoed the appropriations bill. I've said this three times. It's not going to change by ignoring it. I'm afraid you're the one with the difficulty "seeing the diff."

[Romulox]

98. She wanted to get up close and personal with her victims. nt

[TheFarS1de]

168. ......

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

99. Photo op to exhibit her "patriotism".

Patriotism is the passion of fools and the most foolish of passions. Arthur Schopenhauer

[CorkySt.Clair]

100. This OP

[pinebox]

126. yeah this is fucking hilarious isn't it?

[CorkySt.Clair]

128. Does Bernie have any campaign events today?

[pinebox]

136. Not about Bernie

Go Google and look it up and keep defending your pro war candidate.

[CorkySt.Clair]

138. I'll answer it since you won't

He has 2. But you knew that already.

How crass and disgusting to be holding full blown campaign events on Memorial Day.

Enjoy the next couple weeks. Tick tock tick tock...

[pinebox]

139. You know what disgusting is?

I'll show you.

Enjoy more wars and more dead should Hillary be the nominee. You obviously like that sorta thing.

[Tarc]

101. Do you apportion blame to Sanders, due to his repeated votes of "yea" for war funding?

Or are you, y'know, being a little hypocritical?

[EndElectoral]

104. Is voting to support troops in a war you voted against, the same as voting to start the war?

You have to answer that. I have.

IMO, voting to supply arms and supplies to troops in the field, is NOT the same equivalency as voting to give an idiot carte blanche to invade a despot who had attacked zero foreign powers in over a decade.

Sorry, this specious argument that because Bernie voted to help troops rearmor their vehicles for protection and be supplied munitions to protect themselves jsut doesn't cut it in the face of HRC's 'by her own admisssion" mistake. Which I call a tragedy.

[TwilightZone]

112. Except that Clinton didn't vote to start the war.

Revisionist history. The assertion that she voted to start a war is nonsense. Always has been.

From Slate "Hillary Clinton Told the Truth About Her Iraq War Vote":

The evidence is clear. On Oct. 10, 2002, during the Senate debate on a resolution to authorize the use of force in Iraq, Clinton rose to express her highly qualified support. First, though, she criticized the idea of attacking Saddam then and there, either alone or “with any allies we can muster.” Such a course, she said, “is fraught with danger,” in part because “it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us,” legitimizing invasions that Russia might launch against Georgia, India against Pakistan, or China against Taiwan.

“So,” she continued, “the question is, how do we do our best to both diffuse the threat Saddam Hussein poses to his people, the region, including Israel, and the United States—and, at the same time, work to maximize our international support and strengthen the United Nations.”

She went on to say that there was “no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma” and that “people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposing conclusions.” But, she concluded, “I believe the best course is to go to the United Nations for a strong resolution” that calls “for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded” from Saddam.

“If we get the resolution the president seeks, and Saddam complies,” Clinton added, “disarmament can proceed and the threat can be eliminated. … If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise.” This international support is “crucial,” she added, because, “after shots are fired and bombs are dropped, not all consequences are predictable.”

More:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2016/02/hillary_clinton_told_the_truth_about_her_iraq_war_vote.html

[EndElectoral]

116. She gave George Bush carte blanche to invade with that vote. She knew he'd invade, as did everyone.

Her reservations are the same as a President's signing statement on a bill. It's face saving.

She voted to authorize the war. That's what the bill was. She knew damn well Bush would go in as everyone did if she voted for that bill. Everyone knew.

[TwilightZone]

140. Right, because context is meaningless.

Sanders voted for regime change in Iraq twice. That makes him a warmonger.

Without context, that's just as true. That's why context matters. Sanders should have known that voting for regime change might lead to, well...regime change. That seems to be your reasoning re: Clinton.

Sanders-supporter-favorite Political Compass actually calls Sanders a militarist for his support of just about everything re: the MIC *except* for one vote: the 2002 Iraq resolution.

You agree?

[EndElectoral]

149. A unanimous consent for regime change in N. Korea or Syria is NOT the same as a AUMF

There are other ways to encourage regime change than by a massive US military operation which Clinton voted to initiate in Iraq.

[Tarc]

114. Yes, it is the same

[EndElectoral]

117. In that we fundamentally disagree.

[pinebox]

127. Can you show us where Bernie voted for the Iraq war?

We'll wait.

To try and liken giving troops amour in combat as the same as invading an entire country says it all about your spin

[Tarc]

144. google.com is thataway

Sanders votes for funding the Iraq invasion are well-documented.

[pinebox]

156. Again, voting to give troops armor isn't same as invading a country

2 very different things Tarc and you know this.

[Tarc]

169. Authorizing the president to use force in a region vs. paying for it

Same thing, my bro. I know it'd tarnish Bernie's halo in your eyes a tad if you really considered how many wards he has voted to fund, but facts are facts.

[LuvLoogie]

102. Or Vietnam, or Europe, or North Africa, or Korea, or the Philippines, or Hawaii...

What's Bernie doing today? Hitting up college kids for money?

[pinebox]

129. Can you tell us which of those were based on lies please

and why your candidate had such clouded judgement to send our troops into a war based on lies when Bernie saw the truth? If not for Hillary & the others, those who gave their lives in Iraq would be here today.

You can't unring a bell.

[CorkySt.Clair]

103. Does Bernie have any events scheduled today?

Since the Berner OP has established that it's immoral to campaign or for a pol to give the impression of campaigning by appearing in public on Memorial Day I'm sure Bernie has no events today.

[pinebox]

132. Deflection

Tell us why Hillary has such bad judgement that she chose to send our troops into a war based on lies and deceit please.

If Hillary and other politicians didn't vote for Iraq, people's loved ones would still be here today.

It's Memorial Day. Sadly some politicians have no honor.

[reddread]

105. they know how to get her in front of big crowds

dont invite anyone.

[TwilightZone]

106. So, you know nothing about Memorial Day.

It's not just about Iraq. But you knew that.

That you have chosen to plead total ignorance in a feeble attempt to score a few political points on a day of remembrance says a lot about you.

[pinebox]

133. Oh? Is that so?

It's about remembering those who perished fighting in the line of duty and service.

Some didn't have to and shouldn't have.

I'm sorry that your candidate walks in a parade which honors the our war dead, war dead she helped create under lies.

That says a lot about you that you don't get it.

[SidDithers]

107. June 7 can't come soon enough...nt

Sid

[BootinUp]

125. +1

[msongs]

118. so was Mr. MIC lover from vermont marching in any parades. he's got lots of blood on his

hands

[pinebox]

134. Oh he does?

Like Syria. Libya. Honduras. Iraq.

Ya he sure does doesn't he?

[Agnosticsherbet]

130. They also showed veterans marching in those parades.

[pinebox]

135. Correct. They did.

I have no problem with them as they are pawns to the system.

[senz]

145. Facilitating the sale of weapons to volatile undemocratic countries

for a nice-sized kickback creates memorials all over the world.

Nice cover of Dylan's anti-war classic.

Is your money that good? Will it buy you forgiveness? Do you think that it could? Well I think you will find when your death takes its toll, all the money you made will never buy back your soul.

[bigwillq]

150. I just wiped my TV with a cloth. Sadly, Hillary did not disappear.

[underthematrix]

153. It's Memorial Day and she's marching in a parade to honor

our fallen soldiers. What's the problem?

[Jackilope]

155. I know if she is Commander in Chief, we will have more fallen.

Hawk .....

[LibDemAlways]

157. The problem is that her vote in favor of the Iraq War

directly led to the deaths of U.S. soldiers. They'd be alive today if she and the other equally guilty politicians who voted for it had the good sense not to vote for a war based on lies. Anyone paying attention knew the crap the public was being fed at the time was complete bullshit. She had to have known Cheney, Bush, et. al. couldn't be trusted, but she voted for it anyway.

[TheFarS1de]

170. There is a split

And nothing will change my personal views on what is right or wrong . And as such either the DNC will give us someone the majority of voters will back across the spectrum or their anointed insider with a baggage train of issues .

[LenaBaby61]

166. Hurry up .....

June 14th.....

[senz]

174. Echo chamber just can't come soon enough.

Simply awful to read all these contrary viewpoints!

[LenaBaby61]

177. TBH....

I'm ready to move along just like I was LAST time when it was apparent that the person I was supporting in 2008 to be POTUS--Hillary Clinton--was NOT going to secure the Dem nomination. I was ready to pivot to the GE then and I certainly am now, and especially so since the person I am supporting this time around is moving onto the GE vs Trump.

[PeaceNikki]

176. She's been in that parade almost every year since 1999 when they moved there.

http://gantdaily.com/2015/05/25/clintons-march-in-memorial-day-parade/

[Skwmom]

179. Notice the lack of people watching the parade go by?

[SharonClark]

180. Good for her. Showing respect for all the soldiers from WWI on. That's what Dems do.

[Mike Nelson]

181. How sad...

...to see a Memorial Day parade become an opportunity to attack our likely nominee. I don't agree but am aware of the many Bernie supporters who hold Hillary Clinton responsible for their related war dead. Given that, I understand how repulsed you must be at the sight of Hillary marching. I am sorry for your pain. Realizing she may become President must be unbearable.