2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders Candidacy Devolving into an Arrogant Insufferable Self-serving Disaster
Sanders Candidacy Devolving into an Arrogant Insufferable Self-serving DisasterPeter D. Rosenstein non-profit consultant, public speaker and political activist
Many including me have consistently given Bernie Sanders the credit for fighting for what he believes in and suggesting he should decide on his own when to leave the race. We gave him credit for beginning his campaign with grace and purpose as I did in a recent column. Unfortunately he is choosing to end it as a boor more concerned with boosting his own ego than with moving forward the issues he espoused.
Bernie if Donald Trump wins and gets to appoint a Supreme Court Justice and negates all the progress Barack Obama has fought for in the past eight years, you become the 2016 Ralph Nader. The same Nader who now at age 84 walks around Dupont Circle in Washington, DC with his head down afraid people will recognize him and say Thanks Ralph for electing George W. Bush. You dont want to be that person in a couple of years with people saying Thanks Bernie for electing Donald Trump.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-d-rosenstein/sanders-candidacy-devolvi_b_10168566.html
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)But he certainly can transfer bullshit from the bull to his keyboard.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)They cannot see that Sanders has been all about Sanders and his ego. He started out as a protest candidate by his own admission until he noticed what effect his outrageous pandering had on college campuses.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)When you promise your followers you can solve all their problems it's a very powerful draw.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)The global economy has brought about a fundamental shift on a global basis. Politicians like Trump and Sanders have always attracted attention by pandering to anxiety during such times.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)And why I'm not a fan of populism.
Thenewire
(130 posts)is breeding ground for ignorance. That is why you get all these false accusations and conspiracies from both trump and Sanders followers. They discredit any information that goes against their perceptions as being establishment or corrupt, even if they originate from progressives. In fact, I would bet most of these conspiracies and ideas populist from both side cling to come from conservative groups trying to shift the focus from social issues where progressives have been winning and united on to economic ideals which cause a deep divide among progressives, not because we disagree on the premise of economic equality but rather because we disagree on how to implement them.
Skink
(10,122 posts)They are vey inspirational.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)in a short time reality will hit as Bernie becomes an also ran.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)That way he gets to say "I told you so."
Between his ego and his principles, I know which I'd bet on.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)NOT Sanders!
Devolving... Lookie here...
MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...
Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...
Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"
Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"
Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Jackilope
(819 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)elleng
(130,974 posts)ENOUGH of this baloney!
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)The 40 posts that veer from Bill's affairs to prayers for an indictment.
Bernie still says he is in the race so until he leaves, expect Hillary supporters to criticize him because Bernie supporters certainly backing down on the trash they say about Clinton.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)"Go prove my point for me."
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)I'd rather drink a beer than link 40 post to appease a BSer.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)and I think this place is going to have a much needed change in tone from what others have been saying
B Calm
(28,762 posts)won't have much meaning anymore. Change it to democraticbeltway or democraticestablishment?
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)... but don't want to spend the time to back up what you say, and instead want other people to prove your point for you. How nice.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Bohunk68
(1,364 posts)Try two quarters, sent via bulk mail.
Given the quality of these newbie posts, I'm convinced that the price of a small candy bar covers it in most cases.
I recognize piecework when I see it.
Mike__M
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RKP5637
(67,111 posts)asuhornets
(2,405 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)pointing them out, you can do the same.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Sanders supporters barely post pro-Sanders thread, but anti-Hillary threads..
B Calm
(28,762 posts)dchill
(38,505 posts)Amirite?
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)It's a crazy idea to try to steal the nomination from the person who has won the primaries, but it's even crazier to say that he should still be handed the ultimate middle finger to democracy, when he wouldn't have even reached the standards he set for himself. He would have lost the pledged delegates, the popular vote, the most states, the diverse states, the biggest states, and the swing states.
Anyone who can look at that record and still think it's fair to take what he didn't earn is a disgrace to the Democratic party.
Skink
(10,122 posts)King George got the boot.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Skink
(10,122 posts)Especially ones that come with a price tag
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Superdelegates aren't even deciding this race, it is the voters who have decided.
Skink
(10,122 posts)Sorry to break the news
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)That will happen easily next week.
Skink
(10,122 posts)Without supers HRC would have faced much more competition. Bernie might not have gotten in. In that case you could use the smaller number.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Last edited Mon May 30, 2016, 04:01 PM - Edit history (1)
If you are saying she has to reach 2383, then you are counting supers. Otherwise the number of pleged delegates to have a majority of PLEDGED delegates is LOWER. If she has to reach the majority of ALL DELEGATES, then we must include her supers. None of them are switching to bernie. Not after all that harassment!
Rattlesnake Chaser
(23 posts)That the frontrunner has to cheat and screw around with the machinations, and her cronies fuck up every standard possible for a Democratic primary. Mainstream Media complicit on focusing on the 1%, which means the top two candidates are oligarchs, and not for the people.
Yep, that's what Democracy means to you, and I'll pass.
To me democratic primary is a clean and open process (which includes fair coverage by the media) which invites unaffiliated members to vote for our candidates, the best possible one that would stand for the principles of the progressives.
I didn't see a clean democratic primaries this year.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)No one was cheated, Sanders is just a crap candidate, especially when it comes to winning actual Democrats (and non-whites). In the DEMOCRATIC primary, Democrats pick the nominee and that is perfectly fair. Sanders should have started his own party and appointed himself as the nominee of that party.
dchill
(38,505 posts)Where do you get your ideas?
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Surprise surprise.
If you take money out of politics, his cushy high pay non-productive job goes bye-bye.
Leaches fighting to continue to leach
Capitalism is a cancer that will kill us all.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Socialism is certainly not the answer
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Learn some history.
Start getting information from other sources than Rush and Fox.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)The excuse for the failure of the USSR was that It wasn't really true socialism like Cuba. We already have a hybrid system with lots of successful socialist features like graduated income tax and Medicare but pure Marxist socialism with the government controlling the means of production has never succeeded despite guys like Richard Wolff who continue to beat a dead horse.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)many have been propagandized/brainwashed into believing/supporting that 'disaster capitalism' with a severely skewed distribution of wealth is good and the only way.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)EEEEK!!! NADER!!
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)Go Bernie Go.
HRC supporters are showing more of their true despicable selves every day you stay in.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)He's fair game
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)None of that can be blamed on bernie
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts):lol:
QC
(26,371 posts)Lobbyist and Hillary Functionary Loves Hillary!
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)self serving 101
QC
(26,371 posts)the Clintons hand out to their most loyal functionaries.
Look at all that Money Sidney Blumenthal 007 got from the family "charity."
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)There is a good reason he has not released those tax returns.
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RKP5637
(67,111 posts)connected family in the past for decades and decades into the 1800's. The democratic party has drastically changed. None would recognize today's democratic party if alive. I just could not support the DNC/DLC/3rd-Way/DWS/HRC, so I became Independent/Unaffiliated, the largest group in the US. Many are fed up with the entire political system in the US. I will vote by the candidate, not by DNC mandates.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)I bet this "public speaker and political activist" wishes he could go from town-to-town in California with huge cheering audiences showing up in each town.
mac56
(17,569 posts)mac56
(17,569 posts)Now I are one.
pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)He said at the beginning of the campaign that he was in it until the end. This is not something new. We all know what he said. Can we please just let this campaign play out and stop insulting each other in every thread?
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)For being in a Memorial Day parade....and trying to make Memorial Day all about Iraq...screw Iraq...We have our service people to honor today...it not about Iraq...it's about those who made the sacrifice to serve our country and those who died in doing so....a new low level reached by some sanders supporters
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Which will lose the general election
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Except for leftist tea baggers like Susan Sarandon and her ilk.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)campaign.
In recent days they've actually found people in the audience awake.
Sure, it was only for a couple seconds, but still.
840high
(17,196 posts)Vote2016
(1,198 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)the writing is on the wall for her. she needs to bow out gracefully ASAP
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)If Bernie had any grace at all, he would have bowed out weeks ago to the democratic nominee, HRC.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)So we know it's true
k8conant
(3,030 posts)July 9, 2015:
"In an effort to be transparent, I need to let you know that I am an unabashed and longtime supporter of Hillary Rodham Clinton. My passionate support for Hillary Clinton is based on my belief that she is far and away the best-prepared person to run for president in decades."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-d-rosenstein/an-open-letter-to-bernie_b_7761360.html