Once again, as a Bernie supporter I will say Trump is 1000x worse than Hillary.....

[Logical]

And anyone who does not agree should be banned once the nominee is picked.

Come on people, trump is insane.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Trump is a fascist

But the email scandal is now beyond damaging. The party will facilitate indirectly tne election of a fascist. By the way, a couple, rare as they are, now former HRC supporters read the report they are not voting on June 7, and they will likely, at this point sit out the election.

I know two other central committee members, for other reasons, that have quit the party. There are things being done that are driving people away. And this is a bad year for tje realignment to end. They still need the left they hate

[Logical]

3. I agree she is damaged, but trump is nuts and sexist and racist.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. When you got damaged goods

People are not going to flock. At this point I know from a couple in the party, and a couple SDs there is panic setting in yeah, it is the base HRC who are not panicking. But at least some in tne party hierarchy are starting to

Oh and you do not have to convince me of the danger he posses.

[Tavarious Jackson]

40. The e-mails are not that damaging and people have flocked and will flock

I know you're still trying to make the case for SD but.. Bernie did not even reach 50% of the vote. It would be hard to convince SD's that he is a stronger candidate. In my opinion.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. I am not making any case

if your party decides to commit political suicide, the gun on the table is loaded, the round is in the chamber, it is cocked, go right ahead. I am just telling you, people way above you in the party are no longer thinking this is either going away, or just nothing. This is starting to percolate. What you do... it is your party. But do not blame those who tried to warn you for at least the last six months.

[Tavarious Jackson]

44. Fear tactics won't help Bernie's coronation.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. Oh my god, if you think this has anything to do with Sanders you are wrong

and naive in the extreme

[Tavarious Jackson]

46. It has everything to do with him.

It the push his supporters have been making and it's insulting. What is so hard about honoring the will of the voters?

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. Naive in the extreme

nope, it has none to do with sanders.

I honestly do not care who your party replaces her with, but they will have to, since this scandal has legs. If you decide to appoint the man on the moon, he is 35 I think, the US citizen part will be harder, after the sacrifice of goats and entrails reading,with a rain dance and divination go for it.

But this right now, is a loaded gun on the table. Go ahead use it if you want. I am not going to stop you, but historians will not be kind, and I will blame your party for enabling Trump. I will blame people like directly for it as well. People have tried to warn you... but at this point, go ahead, my evil side goes, please do, that will be political suicide, but sure go for it. I will not stop you. Ti might actually be a tac nuke disguised as a gun and destroy the party brand for a generation, but sure, go ahead and use it.

Thankfully this is percolating and people way above your pay grade are starting to get it. They should have three months ago, but the OIG report did the trick I think. FINALLY.

[Tavarious Jackson]

50. I am certain we will be ok.

Hillary's support is use to these RW scare tactics.

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. I am sure you are about to enable the election of Trump

but that is ok. Assuming your party elders chose to use that gun and shoot themselves.

[Tavarious Jackson]

53. There will be no electing Trump.

We will fight until the end. Party ELDERS did NOT pick Hillary. The voters did. Mostly minorities! People that Bernie wants to dismiss. It's insulting!

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. This has butkis to do with voters at this point

you are naive in the extreme

[kdmorris]

79. Jury results

On Mon May 30, 2016, 08:09 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

This has butkis to do with voters at this point
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2090957

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling a DU member naive when they do not agree is demeaning and rude. Please hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon May 30, 2016, 08:18 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

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[Baobab]

68. Ivanka Trump and Chelsea Clinton are best friends.

Their parents are friends too.


Do you mean to say the Clintons - all of them, are such close fiends with a bigot?

That must make them bigots too. Or not?




This is all SO confusing. Something isn't right.

[XRubicon]

2. You are Logical.

[joshcryer]

4. As Skinner said, unprecedented threat.

Or something to that effect.

[PowerToThePeople]

6. that's nice

so?

I would not vote for Trump, ever.

No honest member of this site would ever vote Trump. Well, unless he ran as a Democrat.

[Silver_Witch]

12. Oh SNAP!

Wonderful you made me giggle.

[Broward]

18. The lemmings will do anything for the team.

I have little doubt that most of them would've backed the Iraq War if a Dem was in charge.

[oberliner]

29. Not voting for Hillary in the general (assuming she gets the nomination) is a vote for Trump

Especially considering how close this election might be.

[Art_from_Ark]

43. In the last Congressional election in my district, there were two candidates:

a Republican, and a Libertarian. I didn't vote for either one of them, since it was pretty much a lose-lose situation to me. So which candidate did I hurt or help by not voting for either one?

[oberliner]

48. In the Presidential election there will be a Democratic option

And that person will be or have the support of Bernie Sanders.

[Art_from_Ark]

52. As someone from Hillary's one-time adopted state

and who hung around during the Clinton years with people who had an inside scoop on Arkansas politics, I have really had my fill of her. She was a quintessential DINO in her Arkansas days, she hobnobbed with the state's richest Republicans, she served on the board of the state's largest but one of its most worker-unfriendly employers, and she was a partner in a law firm that specialized in defending corporations (she cut her legal teeth with them by helping utility companies overturn a citizens' ballot initiative). She introduced a form of No Child Left Behind in the state's school system that pissed off my former high school history teacher (and die-hard Democrat) to no end (especially after she had called opponents of her educational "reform" her "enemies&quot . And don't get me started on what happened after she left Arkansas.

Whether or not she will have the support of Bernie Sanders should she be the nominee is immaterial to me. As Bernie has already noted, he cannot force his supporters to support her.

[oberliner]

73. Fair enough

You do have a picture of Bernie Sanders in your profile, so I figured his opinion was important to you. But, of course, he can't force his supporters to vote for Clinton. I would just urge you to consider how awful the alternative is.

[PowerToThePeople]

71. 0+0=0

Math.

[oberliner]

74. I can't believe people can have a "Never Hillary" icon as their profile

On a site like this, that is astounding.

[PowerToThePeople]

75. I can not believe anyone on this site

would ever vote Hillary. That is astounding.

[oberliner]

76. The site is run by someone who is an ardent Hillary Clinton supporter

The entire premise of the site is to support Democrats in elections against Republicans.

[PowerToThePeople]

77. That is not the only purpose imo.

Another purpose is to ensure that the party supports the interests of it"s members.

I will not support that which works against me.

[oberliner]

81. Fair enough

That's a reasonable position.

[Art_from_Ark]

34. And he was a registered Democrat during the Bush II years

[bobbobbins01]

7. I thought that, until I realized what a threat to national security Hillary is.

They're both disasters.

[oberliner]

30. Bernie disagrees with you

Thankfully, he is much more reasonable than some of his supporters.

[Joob]

8. It's easier to fight united, rather than divided. IMO

I'd rather corruption be taken seriously.
I'd rather all our issues be TAKEN seriously!
I'd rather no money influences our candidates.

I hate Trump and his Bigotry but it's not hidden from plain sight. We can move to stop this madman and his obvious bigotry.

Who do you trust more, the bigot person you can easily stop when you see them coming?


Or the person that can attack you without half the people seeing her coming while we fight each other?

[demwing]

24. ^this /nt

[jack_krass]

36. +1

[mikehiggins]

9. agreed. eom

[eridani]

10. Went with SIL and her boyfriend to the Farmers' Market today

He's an independent who voted for Sanders, but says he will support Trump in the GE. I've only met a few people like that while canvassing, but they scare the shit out of me. Clinton may be a neocon hawk, but at least she is rational. Trump is a batshit crazy ignoramus who could do a lot of damage even if Congress did refuse to cooperate with him.

[demwing]

23. Is a serial liar rational?

is it rational to be corrupt?

[eridani]

28. There are all kinds of rational reasons for lying. Not moral ones, of course n/t

[oberliner]

31. Right-wing talking points

Right here on DU.

[jack_krass]

38. Given a choice between a rational neocon hawk or a batshit crazy fascist asshole,

I ask myself, everyday: what the fuck is wrong with our primary process allows the worst of both parties to rise to the top???

[Silver_Witch]

11. I only have one reply to this type of post.

If Trump is dangerous (and no doubt he is a mad man) then the Democratic Party should run a candidate with the potential to win.

Or better still how about Hillary and her supporters work to win our vote rather denigrating us regularly on this board. They say they don't need or want our vote - so fine they shall not have it.

Lecture them - not us.

[GulfCoast66]

21. You seriously

Would let the content of this public, anonymous online forum affect your vote? Because you just stated as much.

I can see you're not voting for Clinton but because you were denigrated on this board as your post just stated?

Are people really that invested in on what they read online?

[Silver_Witch]

64. Who I vote for and why is no one's business.

That said...I am just repeating what the Hillary Supporters here are chanting and repeating over and over...they don't want our need our vote...and so they shall not have it.

[GulfCoast66]

80. I am not interested in who you vote for

But very curious as to the motivation.

And you are correct it is none of my business...but you told me anyway and again confirmed that what people say here effects your vote. I find it amazing that someone lets such superficial reasons help control their decisions. But apparently things that are superficial to me carry importance to others. But as you say, it really is none of my business.

[hack89]

27. Validating your feelings and stroking your ego are not the paramount issues facing the country

time to grow up.

[oberliner]

32. Hillary won the most votes in the primaries

That means she gets to be the nominee (barring 20-30 point wins in CA and NJ for Bernie next week).

[Silver_Witch]

63. Great she won the most votes...

Yeah she is the Dem Nominee - you all say you don't need my vote - so I shall keep it.

I am not sure what your point is other than pointing out that she has the most votes....

[oberliner]

72. You wrote: "the Democratic Party should run a candidate with the potential to win. "

I'm just saying that Hillary looks like she is going to win the most votes in the primaries/caucuses. The Democratic Party can't just run another candidate because they don't like those results. That would be fairly un-democratic.

As to your other comment (about not needing your vote), I absolutely feel 100 percent the opposite. I have been consistently saying how critical it will be for Sanders supporters and Clinton supporters (and others) to come together to help get the Democratic nominee to the White House!

[RichVRichV]

13. And Hillary's a 1000x worse than Bernie.

So let's vote for the candidate who is a thousand times worse than the optimal choice instead of the candidate that is a million times worse than the optimal choice. Because, by god, we should never vote for the optimal choice!

[Kablooie]

14. He's not insane.

He's very saavy and is an expert in persuasive techniques like P.T. Barnum, Ron Popeil and Benny Hinn.

But he's horribly ignorant of world politics, disinterested in other people's welfare and one of the worst choices for a world leader but not insane.

[demosincebirth]

15. You see through the fog, too?

[Logical]

16. Not sure what this means. nt

[demosincebirth]

65. You see what many Sanders supporters don't see, that not voting for Clinton in the General

election is a good chance we'll get Trump for POTUS. Including a right wing Supreme Court majority and a rw leaning NLRB.

[akbacchus_BC]

67. Oh please, get off your high horse. If Mrs. Clinton is the nominee, Mr. Sanders supporters will

vote for her. All you are doing is causing division.

[demosincebirth]

83. High horse? My feet are planted on terra firma. My post was not for you, sooo...

[CorkySt.Clair]

17. Nice post.

[Vote2016]

19. As a Sanders supporter, I say Hitler was100,000 worse than Hillary and 10,000 worse than Trump, but

that doesn't make Hillary or Trump any more appealing outside of Ohio and Florida.

[oberliner]

33. Hitler?

Is that really necessary?

[nilram]

20. agreed. can't wait for the convention

[demwing]

22. Comparing Trump to Clinton is like comparing rotten apples to rotten oranges

completely different, but both rotten through and through.

Fuck it, ban me.

[Logical]

39. Well, you will be banned if you think they are 100% the same. nt

[Miles Archer]

60. No, DUers will be banned if Clinton gets the nomination, and they do one of two things

1). Badmouth Clinton

2). Praise Trump

And since I do not intend to do either of those things, this giddy "you will be banned if you think they are 100% the same" nonsense needs to be printed on two-ply so that it offers some useful purpose.

[demwing]

70. So if I think Trump and Clinton are only 90% the same, am I safe?

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What if I disagree that Trump is 1000x worse than Clinton? Will I then be banned? If I say that Trump is only twice as bad as Clinton, I bet I'd get really banned, right?

It's all confusing, your rules are so hard!

[Trust Buster]

26. If this country's standards have devolved to the point that they would elect and wish to be

represented by this classless buffoon, then whe have much greater things to worry about other than Clinton vs. Sanders IMO.

[LP2K12]

35. 100% Agree.

No doubt about it.

[Tavarious Jackson]

37. I am sincerely Happy to see all of you on this thread who agree.

Thank you so much.

[basselope]

41. Still not going to vote for Hillary.. sorry.

[Logical]

47. Hope you get banned soon. Good luck. nt

[basselope]

55. Don't care.

[Paulie]

56. Better update your sig line then

Or you too may get voted off the island in July.

[Miles Archer]

58. Nice attitude. "Hope you get banned soon. Good luck. nt" Just charming and delightful.

This attitude explains why Sanders supporters aren't leaping over the fence to support Clinton.

Think about it.

Good luck to you too.

"nt"

[DrewFlorida]

54. Also a Bernie supporter and I agree 100%! Not voting for Hilary would be sabotage to America!

[Skid Rogue]

59. Thanks, this is a nice post.

It also represents ALL the Sanders supporters I know personally. I may just be lucky, but it's only on the internet where I find people who are Bernie or Bust.

[Miles Archer]

61. Really?

"It also represents ALL the Sanders supporters I know personally."

How many of these people do you know "personally?" I want an actual number. Pick any number from 0 to 20,000.

2016 ELECTION
Estimated 20,000 people attend Bernie Sanders rally in Oakland

http://abc7news.com/politics/estimated-20000-people-attend-bernie-sanders-rally-in-oakland/1362730/

By Laura Anthony
Updated 1 hr 3 mins ago
OAKLAND, Calif. (KGO) --

At least 20,000 Bernie Sanders supporters gathered at Oakland's Frank Ogawa Plaza to hear the presidential candidate speak.

This was the second of two Bernie Sanders events in Oakland on Monday, and this one was moved up to avoid being at the same time as the Warriors game.

During the rally, Sanders touched on his familiar themes - getting big money out of politics, his plan to make public college tuition-free, climate change and universal healthcare.

"If we can win here in California, our largest state, one of our most progressive states, we will go into the Democratic Convention with a great deal of momentum and we will come out with the nomination," he said. "In virtually every state and national poll, we do much better against Trump than does Secretary Clinton."

[Skid Rogue]

78. Ummmm....

I know more than 10, but less than 20,000.

And what in the world has a Sanders' Rally in Oakland got to do with the OP, or my reply? I'm sure it was a nice Rally, but to make it relevant we'd have to know how many of the 20,000 are Bernie or Bust.

[elana i am]

62. trump is a racist douchebag

but to my knowledge he is not married to a sexual predator and he's not a potential felon with a chance of being indicted. this matters. this plus 25 years of all the other scandals matter hugely.

look, the clintons had something like a 20 year head start on trump in looking like ethically challenged sleaze, while trump has somehow managed to be a little less sleaze more pop culture icon.

i'd suicide myself before voting for him, but i acknowledge the fact that his "issues" heretofore don't rise to the level of serious crimes. the clintons on the other hand???

so i beg to differ that trump is 1000 times worse. underestimate him (and overestimate the clintons) at your peril.

[fasttense]

82. Trump is a potential felon. His mob ties go way back.

Just because Obama is Not investigating him right now, means nothing.

Don't you think it's strange that a Democratic administration is investigating her?

Obama's willingness to play nice with RepubliCONS, to the point of willing to cut Social Security and investigate the Democratic front runner, is why Democrats have lost congress.

[akbacchus_BC]

66. Agree with you. No matter how people see Mrs. Clinton, I think she understands the issues and

will work to enable working class people plus she knows about foreign policy. Trump is just a disgusting moron! Why he gained so much momentum is unbelievable. I never thought that President Obama did such a horrible job being President, the nastiness was from the Republicans who controlled the Senate. They are the ones who are responsible for the stagnation in the economy and nothing moving forward. Those assholes do not even have a conscience on how much they are hurting America. All they cared about was to ensure that President Obama could not do anything progressive. As for the tea party people, bunch of clowns!

[Art_from_Ark]

69. When has Hillary actually worked to help working class people?

She certainly didn't do that when she was on the board at Wal-Mart. And she has supported free trade deals that have or will significantly hurt working class people.

As far as foreign policy knowledge goes, she was mentored by right-wing war hawks like Henry Kissinger and Robert Kagan. Having that kind of "knowledge" is worse than having no knowledge at all.