Newsflash: The Primary Ends at the Convention

[RobertEarl]

At the convention will be the day all the votes are counted.

Not a day sooner. I know some out there in Lala land think it will end when the media says it is ended.

Well, to those I say, I hope you have better dreams.

In other words, Bernie won't win until the convention says he won.

[Logical]

1. So true! Nt

[roguevalley]

39. any truth to the rumor that Skinner is shutting down discussion after the Califormia

vote and expelling anyone who isn't on board with HRC then? I heard it on the list somewhere.

[reformist2]

62. Considering that even pledged delegates can change their votes, there ought not be shut down.

With the prospect of indictment looming - sorry, HRC fans, this is a real possibility now, time to wake up and smell the coffee - all bets are off as to crowning Hillary the nominee six weeks ahead of the convention.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

70. After DC

See posts #4 & #67. Also see AtA.

[bvf]

75. Another rumor has it

that accumulated hides are to be retroactively applied, which would mean that the most insufferable perpetrators can wave goodbye to DU for several months.

Keep a close eye on ATA, particularly upon those posts awaiting a response.

[Duckhunter935]

76. That would be impressive if they do it

I expect not though as the worst ones are all Hillary supporters

[bvf]

78. I hear you clearly.

The money will tell.

[barrow-wight]

2. You may be right,

But on this site, it all stops on June 7th.

[RobertEarl]

3. Nah

Wisdom will win the day.

It would be foolish to call it before the convention. There are not that many fools here, so expect it to be after the convention before many get excommunicated.

[barrow-wight]

43. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

I asked the admins. I figured it wasn't worth trying to parse Skinners words like ancient Bible versus that nobody's around to ask about.

[senz]

33. Hillary cannot reach 2383 before the convention.

Hillary has 1771 pledged delegates. Bernie has 1487 pledged delegates (284 fewer than Hill).

Hillary needs 612 more pledged delegates to get to 2383.

There are only 781 pledged delegates left in the remaining nine primaries:

Virgin Islands, PR, CA Mont NJ, NM, ND SD, DC

Even if Hill does well in several states, she will not be able to reach 2383.

Therefore she will need super delegates to get over the top, and there is a possibility Bernie will have done well enough (as well as polling far better against Trump) that super delegates may choose him.

[barrow-wight]

44. If she reaches 2383 including presumptive supers before the convention ...

... nobody is going to challenge her. You shall see.

[senz]

46. It doesn't work that way. 2383 = pledged delegates.

[barrow-wight]

47. Obama didn't hit 2383.

Didn't stop him.

[senz]

48. Different number. Obama wasn't under investigation by the FBI.

Superdelegates will be more wary this time around.

[barrow-wight]

49. Is that so?

LOL. The superdelegates also weren't being threatened, abused, harassed and the like back then either. They won't switch unless she's indicted and I doubt very much that will happen.

I have my own little internal advent calendar, just counting down the days until all the crow that will be eaten when the Bern fails to flame.

[senz]

50. You just want a moment of triumph and revenge

because your mind is about the same size as that of your candidate.

Bernie supporters want a fair and just America for the people of this country.

It's a whole different game for us.

[Demsrule86]

84. It is a majority that is needed. She will have that after Jersey.

There is no secret number...you people are so desperate... and I am telling you as someone told me once about a presidential candidate I really supported...it is over. Make your peace with the reality of the situation. He had a good run but didn't win the race.

[Demsrule86]

4. Well you will be reading and posting about the exciting

anti- Democratic events on a different site. We need to defeat Trump and have no more time to waste on this primary. Trump is dangerous...why not lend a hand?


From ask the Admins...skinner

"This has gone on long enough. Once the voting is done I have no interest in pretending everyone doesn't already know the outcome.

My opinion is that Donald Trump represents an unprecedented threat to this country, and I have no interest in providing a platform for people to act like a Trump presidency isn't such a big deal. I have permitted it during primary season because many people seem determined to pretend we live in a fantasyland where Republicans don't exist -- but once the primary is over reality sets in and we can no longer afford to ignore our Republican opponent"

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. You will be in a bunker

While the rest of us discuss this as adults. Because it is not stopping just because you will it...

[Demsrule86]

13. It will stop

GDP will be gone. Thank God...the primary is only a vehicle to choose the nominee to beat the GOP...and we have a very nasty specimen named Trump this time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. So the FBI is stopping it's investigation and CNN will stop reporting?

The adults will continue to talk about this. I know you won't. Whistle past that graveyard

[Demsrule86]

17. You won't be posting the crap you dig up on right wing hate sites

here anymore.

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. I have not, so you can take your complaint somewhere else

But I suspect CNN is right wing to you now.

This is classic bunker mentality. So how about the WAPO? Oh hold it, that is Right Wing too. Is the FBI report fine? Nope, part of the vast right wing conspiracy. I will point and laugh

[Demsrule86]

22. Most of the stuff comes from Breitbart or Fox

CNN is a step up. When Hillary is the candidate...it ends.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. As I said I have not

You see with children you do not do that. You are acting like children. But CNN is right wing. The FBI is right wing. I have covered scandals. What you guys are doing, the bunker mentality, is a marker of a mature scandal. It is part of the rythm. And don't Sanders me, it try other idiotic things.

I shall treat this place the same way I have treated Free Republic. Bunker mentality is hilarious to watch, as a social science experiment. It will be lots of fun

[silvershadow]

57. I always appreciate your views, and this is no exception. ^^+1. nt

[Demsrule86]

26. yeah I live in a bunker

because I want to stop Trump and stop pretending Bernie has even a small chance...time to work to elect Hillary...We will all need bunkers should Bernie and you all continue this nonsense...the convention is in July...do you really think...waiting until then to have a nominee would be a great idea...when Trump is the GOP nominee now? I seriously think many of you want to throw this election.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. You want to hide your head from a developing scandal

And you want to stop trump...I think I have put my life far more on the line, for real, than you have. I also gave a much fuller coverage and pointed to real issues from last Friday. But I live in tne real world and I do not hide from developing scandals. I am looking forwards to the FBI report. I hope your party wakes up. We all want to stop trump, good luck with a severely damaged candidate. That is fucking real life

And I don't think you are in any way, shape or form, an ally to stop the fascist. So don't Sanders me.

[CorkySt.Clair]

74. Nadin is not an RWer

She's a lover of dystopia and comes from the "let it all burn to purify it" school of thought. There is a difference.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

68. Hey! That post looks familiar!

Just to provide context, this is the question that I posed to Skinner for that answer:

In another ATA thread, you said the admins would wait until the voting ends to clamp down

Presumably, that means thru the DC primary, barring a concession/suspension of campaign. However, if neither candidate has sufficient pledged delegates, both will claim they can be nominated. Will you let GD: P go on this way until August?

Is it get-behind-the-nominee or hit the road, or will some tolerance toward non-supporting the Dem nominee be exercised, assuming the member is not supporting Trump and otherwise behaves?

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. If the owner wants to do it

His play ground. But his decision will not stop the rest of us discussing the FBI and other issues. It will continue and in the real world that will continue as well. Bunker mentality...whatever

[RobertEarl]

10. Customer is always right

We being the customers on this here DUey thingamagigee.

I think the owners are not dumb.

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. They lost money last year

They can lose more this year

[Fawke Em]

14. Wouldn't the FBI's report and others be considered breaking news here?

Just wondering if even LBN will be in the bubble, too.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. My view they want a full bubble

And as far as I am concerned, I an willing to treat this place as Free Republic during the Bush years. Mostly a good place for laughs. People who chose to be willfully ignorant, can continue to be such. The end game will be fun to watch, as a social science experiment

[bettyellen]

23. LBN has real standards for sourcing, no opinion pieces and news has to be new

95% of the crap posted here in GDP would not be allowed there, no.

[Fawke Em]

32. That's what I'm talking about.

When something happens that all the news covers - like a referral by the FBI - will that be allowed in LBN?

[bettyellen]

40. Yeah, it has to be posted within a certain time -so it's news!- and also

Not a dupe of the same news someone else posted- even if it's from another source. No endless spammy shit like we have here. No op eds, no small local stories. The name of the OP has to be the headline and no editorializing- just quoting up to 4 paragraphs plus a link to a reputable Media source.

They really tend to enforce standards and lock threads often, which keeps it a clean and easy to skim forum.

[amborin]

7. yes, and not one day sooner!

[KingFlorez]

8. Don't expect much at the convention

Superdelegates are not going to vote for the pledged delegate loser and ignore the will of the voter.

[XRubicon]

9. Pass that joint.

Don't Bogart it.

[Gothmog]

12. Not on DU

The ptimary has been over for some time in the resl world. The Daily Kos site called the race a while back and the race on DU will be over on June 7

[sheshe2]

21. Oh yes. It ends there.

At least at DU.

Hooooly Mooooly. No more bashing Hill.

Salts STAT!



Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemail!

FYI, I loved Jimmy Stewart.

[Gothmog]

73. I will be glad when Skinner calls it

[sheshe2]

77. +1

[Tarc]

16. The primary effectively ended in New York

#berniemath cannot save you

[mac56]

71. Hilly math?

If "math" is taking care of it now without my participation, then "math" can take care of it in the general election too.

[tandem5]

18. it ends at thunderdome, raggedy man

[anotherproletariat]

25. But any rational candidate knows that when their opponent has the required number of delegates,

who are either pledged or committed, that it's time to bow out. Those who stay in do so for entirely selfish and often short-sighted reasons.

[RobertEarl]

28. Your opinion does not count

Nice try, tho.

Don't count votes until actually cast.

That will be at the convention.

[anotherproletariat]

37. By your logic, everyone and their dog can show up at the convention and hope that the delegates

vote for them. Of course no actual vote by the delegates takes place before the convention. BUT, we can assume that delegates will follow the rules of the Democratic Party (something Sanders might want to brush up on), and the pledged delegates should be considered as firmly committed to 'their' candidate.

The super delegates also commit, and since they are mostly Democratic Party loyalists (who Sanders and his followers have been harassing for months) those that have committed to Hillary can be expected to stay with her.

Therefore, the major media networks as well as all logical people will assume that once the number of committed delegates (from both the pledged and super categories) for Hillary surpasses 2383 then they can presume she will be the nominee.

[chwaliszewski]

29. Agree with you 100%

As soon as Hillary has the required number (which she currently does not) and is declared the candidate at the DNC, then it will be time for the GE. Not before.

[anotherproletariat]

38. The difference is between "presumptive nominee" and "nominee"

Once there is a presumptive nominee, there is no reason for anyone who wants party unity to stay in the race.

[JonLeibowitz]

52. Your opinion on other's motives. Some may differ.

[senz]

34. Hillary can't reach 2383 before the convention.

Sorry!

[Hydra]

30. The real laugh

Is that Team Hill thinks that if they shut down discussion here, that it won't happen someplace else.

If they censor the news here, I'll find other places to get it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Exactomundo. Team Hill is acting more and more like

A bunker mentality.

[QC]

42. More like Jonestown than a bunker, I think.

[senz]

35. If they shut down discussion here it will cease to be interesting.

An echo chamber for cultists would not get much traffic.

[B Calm]

61. Might as well remove the name underground, it won't have meaning anymore.

democraticestablishment maybe?

[Flying Squirrel]

36. Jackpineradicals will get a huge boost -

At DU's expense. The easier interface here won't make up for being gagged.

[barrow-wight]

45. When I saw that website ...

I immediately thought of this scene from the West Wing:

[JonLeibowitz]

53. Speaking of "small latin american countries" we can "incite violence in" to topple their govt

if That is what you want, Clinton is most qualified.

[barrow-wight]

54. Speaking of "small latin american countries"

Isn't that where Jonestown was, down there in Guyana?

Sorry. I was trying to stay on topic with that website we were all talking about and your speaking of "small latin american countries" made me think of Guyana.

[JonLeibowitz]

55. No idea what Jonestown has to do with all of this. I was speaking of Haiti and Honduras

Both small latin American countries which HRC has worked to fuck up.

[barrow-wight]

56. Well when you mentioned small latin American countries ...

... my mind was still on the Jackpineradicals comment that started the sub-thread we're on right now and then, naturally my mind went to Jonestown. Can't think why.

[JonLeibowitz]

59. Because you paint those who have ideologically consistent views on policy and governance as a cult?

That those who on ideological and moral grounds reject your favored candidate must surely be mentally deficient and lemmings who would follow their leader to suicide?

Just a guess, on my part, mind you. The internal logic of Clintonites (paid or otherwise) is lost on me.

[barrow-wight]

63. Nah.

My issue with the Jonestownradicals site is how cultishly devoted to the persona of Bernie it is.

[lmbradford]

81. JPR has a new interface coming soon though

[AzDar]

41. K & R

[MFM008]

51. only when Sanders wins 100 percent of the delegates

from the state of DENIAL.

The magic number 2383.
913 Left (she needs 17% of that total number)
until June 14.


REMAINING: 73 to win

and its over.

[beachbum bob]

64. the "presumed nominee" title is given out once a nominee reaches the 50% +1 level of delegates

just like it was given to obama before the convention, just like it will be given to hillary next week.....it becomes official after the first ballot

either way sanders lost....he didn't get the votes to win or the number of delegates to win

he lost

[Algernon Moncrieff]

69. He's have to get like 70% of the SDs to switch sides

Possible, but highly unlikely

[beachbum bob]

82. super delegates aren't going to waiver, unlike the typical sander supporter

they fully understand that sanders has never been vetted,,,and the disaster that would happen in November....just the handling of the Burlington College fiasco is an indication of Jane and Sander's inability to address question they don't want to answer. Can you imagine the last 40 yrs of answering for all of his hardcore anti-capitalist...anti-business rants as wll as his die cast pacifist positions? The votes that count, the ones in the middle would be so alienated by the rants of an angry old socialist they will vote for trump to keep america safe


sanders scorching our nominee from now to the convention will alienate even more against him...against his positions......if he has no class.....this route will end up making trump the next president....and sander's legacy on par with Benedict Arrnold...as a traitor to the democratic cause

[rock]

65. The votes are recorded at the Convention

They are counted as they are accrued.

[MineralMan]

66. Indeed it does. We'll talk again after that, then...

[Algernon Moncrieff]

67. FYI, that will not be the case here on DU

The primaries end here when the voting ends, as per Skinner

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910453

When the voting is over the primary is over on DU.

This has gone on long enough. Once the voting is done I have no interest in pretending everyone doesn't already know the outcome.

My opinion is that Donald Trump represents an unprecedented threat to this country, and I have no interest in providing a platform for people to act like a Trump presidency isn't such a big deal. I have permitted it during primary season because many people seem determined to pretend we live in a fantasyland where Republicans don't exist -- but once the primary is over reality sets in and we can no longer afford to ignore our Republican opponent.

[reddread]

72. but the fangs are dripping, the knives a glinting

why wait?

[cliffordu]

79. News flash: the FBI don't care.

[Rob H.]

80. Thanks for the reminder

I live in a state which hasn't yet held its primary. I was beginning to wonder if people had forgotten that not everyone has voted already.

[Demsrule86]

83. It doesn't

It is already over...but let Bernie have a few more days of living in the lap of luxury off of someone else's money...send him a donation right? June 7th and Bernie will have to get out or he will be made to look foolish and marginalized by sore loser behavior.