2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe discussion we should be having is is about Sid.
Now why would a woman working for the Obama administration take it upon herself to defy the President of the United States of America and surreptitiously exchange secret information with someone the President specifically forbade her from hiring....and I forget....did the Clinton foundation PAY Blumenthal for his 'work'?
I value loyalty above many things. She is, at the very least disloyal when it suits her need, or in the case of Blumenthal, her want.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)I got the House Of Mirrors going
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)cliffordu
(30,994 posts)cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Enough perpetual war
Enough.
Im tired of adding to the list dead young men and women on this Memorial Day weekend.
Never for 'freedom'....always for money, always for profit always for 'business opportunities' always for those with no souls who suffer money addiction.
No more.
I want people in this country, all people, to enjoy the same privilege I grew up with and enjoy to this day.
No more MIC.
Eisenhower was right
Smedley Butler was right.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)We will hear PLENTY about this shit later if (GOD FORBID) she actually ends up being our nominee
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)He also sent her top secret intel, which she failed to report. All other potential crimes aside(and I'm sure there is a laundry list of them), she already has a felony charge coming.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)But make no mistake- there was never any loyalty to break between her and the President. He ate her lunch, and she got her revenge as well as using him to set up her 2nd WH run.
The question, as always, is: do we want to continue with all of this? Do we want more Bushco policies and behavior? Are we still Democrats, or are we the Neo GOP?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Media Matters paid him too, at one point, a lot of money. Plus he was ginning up private business for himself in Libya after the fall.
There is plenty of stuff on google about Sid.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/05/the-return-of-sid-vicious-118158
http://nypost.com/2015/10/31/hillary-clintons-rogue-agenda-why-sid-blumenthal-matters/
He is in deep, deep trouble.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)A presidential pardon from HRC. Explains why he's been out there pounding the media circuit so hard to defend her.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)From nasty political trickster to journalist. Book tour.
2banon
(7,321 posts)Henhouse
(646 posts)cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Goddammed mess since it came to light.
Blumenthal provided some of the SECRET documents to the state department inquiry and is - or is scheduled - to talk to the Eff Bee Eye.
Henhouse
(646 posts)cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Henhouse
(646 posts)I think I am just going to leave now....backs slowly out of the thread.....
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)I don't ignore anyone, enjoying many kinds of willful ignorance in others
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Response to Henhouse (Reply #12)
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Henhouse
(646 posts)He and I used to work for Mr. Brock over at Media Matters. Thanks for the links.....
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)shitstoems, but one is coming
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #74)
TM99 This message was self-deleted by its author.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Of course a sign of a true scandal is that bunker mentality among supporters of insert politician here
Bob-o the Clown
(35 posts)I'll spell it out for you..
Guccifer---------------------->Blumenthal----------------------->Clinton
Hacker/Social Engineer hacks into a well-known Clinton operative's AOL account, then finds confidential documetation, downloads it for 'light reading'. Guccifer gets caught for hacking activities, extradicted in the U.S., in a plea deal, pled guilty to hacking materials, making him an invaluable asset in terms of knowledge to Clinton's activities, including accessing CLASSIFIED materials in an unclassified setting, implicating numerous of people.
That is what it is all about.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)I thought you wanted to talk about Sid Dithers.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Then I remembered TOS.....
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,337 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)It's hard work!
QC
(26,371 posts)every time somebody uses that ROFL smiley?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)... classic.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)...he's about as useful as a screen door on a submarine
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)sending my dry cleaning bill to ya for that one!
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)It's almost like there was an intentional attempt to put a hole in the Obama administration's heavily invested plumbing security project
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)What a con job that is!!
YouDig
(2,280 posts)poverty, social justice, and so on. But Trump wants to talk about emails, and when Trump talks, Berners listen.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Maybe not even worth a participation ribbon
YouDig
(2,280 posts)cliffordu
(30,994 posts)I've got one of the lowest carbon footprints of anyone I know, having owned a car for five of the last 50 years.
I bicycle everywhere.
I live in and heat a space a little over 150 square feet.
No air conditioning.
My lighting systems are all 12 volt DC.
I have no computer, television set or other 120v appliances save a cuisinart I use to grind nuts and seeds for my vegan diet. I run that about 4 minutes a day.
Anytime you want to get serious about the environment we can talk.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)My condolences.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Give back to the communty, work with the most desolate and hopeless members of our society....and have found a kind of grace outside the main theme of American life, that theme that is killing the very planet we live on, that lifestyle obsession for soooo many of my fellows.....summed in one word:
"More"
I long for a rested mind and a peaceful heart, but there is too much work to do.....
JudyM
(29,274 posts)far ahead of me.
Namaste.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)And it's easier - MUCH EASIER- to do in small spaces.
What I thought was denying myself 'basic needs' turned out to be sooo not the case...
I had a house that was little more than a repository for stuff I never used and....to quote fight club..(sorry) "The stuff you think you own winds up owning you....".
I do have one guilty pleasure....my phone, which I cannot live without.......
I would go without that if I could find a place far enough out of the city to not need it.....
JudyM
(29,274 posts)Besides animal mistreatment, my main thing is I get so continually disheartened by plastic and styrene. People don't give it a thought... Single use, toss it out.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)She could use it to promote fracking.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)smiley
(1,432 posts)That's laughable. Fuck Trump and the neo-con with a D in front of her name.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I guess the people's campaign has unofficially rolled it up.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)tick tock...7 days.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)elleng
(131,102 posts)Response to elleng (Reply #32)
artislife This message was self-deleted by its author.
elleng
(131,102 posts)imo.
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)to bankrupt a college and get a bucket of money to get her to leave. Now why would a saintly guy do that?
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Well, what a little tyrant.
Didn't do him a fucking bit of good, this demanding, did it?
Some kinda brutal fixer, this Bernie.
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)so it was great for her. Not so great for the college.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)I thought this OP was about Hillary spilling state secrets and trying to spy on the CIA through Blumenthal.....
No matter.
Now you're talking about Jane getting money instead of the college...from the loan Bernie didn't get when he leaned on the bank?
Keep tossing, something is going to stick sooner or later. Maybe.
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)the college got loan that it couldn't repay and was forced to close its doors but not before her son and daughter got great jobs for programs they created at the college. Sounds like old fashion crony capitalism to me.
Henhouse
(646 posts)I'll just leave this you tube here:
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)oh wait, isn't that a big dog with a whiskey barrel around his neck?
Bernie is a mortal man with avarice and greed in his heart like most politicians and he is not above getting his own, even if it is on a smaller scale than Mitch McConnell.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)lostnfound
(16,189 posts)Weird
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Berniefans are scraping the rock bottom of the Emailgate Barrel today for attack material, yeesh.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)It sure the hell does.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Gov't officials confer and consult with whoever they wish to.
There is some sparkling naivete going on here today...
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Ought to be spectacular.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)cliffordu
(30,994 posts)You get a participation ribbon!!!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Adding nothing to any of my OP's
Trite for trite.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)I will add I thought this thread was going to be about my friend, Sid Dithers.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Whether I agree with them or not.
Seeinghope
(786 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)I said before they were talking in code about those subjects rather than taking down governments and stealing their gold.
Seeinghope
(786 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I see what you did there.
lmbradford
(517 posts)Cannot push any of her great policies, but consistantly try to bash Bernie. Bernie isnt responsible for her server problems. Bernie is not responsible for her hideous record. He is running a campaign, so deal with her crap yourself if you support her.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)I never paid attention to Benghazi, because the real crime was bombing Libya in the first place. But a close look at the Benghazi testimony reveals cringe-worthy lies:
although the Obama White House believed Blumenthal had spread false rumors about Obama during the 2008 campaign, and although Obama had banned Blumenthal from any State Dept business, SOS Clinton kept up a steady and solicited correspondence with Blumenthal behind Obama's back:
And despite ample evidence on the public record for months that Clinton repeatedly asked Blumenthal to keep sending her updates on Libya and other matters, she repeated previous assertions that his advice was unsolicited.
"I did not ask him to send me the information that he sent me," Clinton said.
"You wrote to him, 'Another keeper, thanks' and 'Please keep them coming....Greetings from Kabul and thanks for keeping this stuff coming,'" Gowdy shot back.
Clinton then shifted slightly, conceding that she urged Blumenthal to keep up the flow. "They started out unsolicited and, as I said, some were of interest," she said.
snip
.....You said they were -- you said they were unsolicited," the chairman said.
While Clinton minimized the significance of what Blumenthal sent along, she did not dismiss it entirely, and she defended forwarding the information to aides who sometimes scrambled to respond to the unusual dispatches.
"Some of it I found interesting....
snip
....Allegations relating to Blumenthal's role in that campaign are what kept him from joining the State Department in 2009. Obama aides were convinced that Blumenthal spread false personal and policy rumors about Obama during the battle between Clinton and Obama for the Democratic nomination. While Clinton had more authority to name State Department personnel than any other Obama Cabinet member, Blumenthal was blacklisted--effectively banished by the White House.
When Gowdy asked about Blumenthal's rejection, Clinton didn't dispute it, but said she couldn't remember or didn't know who at the White House put the kibosh on her regular correspondent.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-sidney-blumenthal-emails-benghazi-hearings-215083#ixzz42cF2UM5y
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-sidney-blumenthal-emails-benghazi-hearings-215083#ixzz42cEb3aOA
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Hillary was taking State Dept Advice from Blumenthal and others with Business interests in Libya:
Plus, all the while, Blumenthal was working for the Clinton Foundation:
International New York Times May 20, 2015 Wednesday
Clinton friend's memos on Libya draw scrutiny to politics and business
NICHOLAS CONFESSORE and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT
Clintons last occupied the White House, Sidney Blumenthal cast himself in varied roles:
speechwriter, in-house intellectual and press corps whisperer. ..Now, as Hillary Rodham Clinton embarks on her second presidential bid, Mr. Blumenthal's service to the Clintons is again under the spotlight.
.. a series of memos that Mr. Blumenthal - who was not an employee of the State Department - wrote to Mrs. Clinton about events unfolding in Libya before and after the death of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi.
According to emails obtained by The New York Times, Mrs. Clinton, who was secretary of state at the time, took Mr. Blumenthal's advice seriously, forwarding his memos to senior diplomatic officials in Libya and Washington and at times asking them to respond. Mrs. Clinton continued to pass around his memos even after other senior diplomats concluded that Mr. Blumenthal's assessments were often unreliable.
But an examination by The Times suggests that Mr. Blumenthal's involvement was more wide-ranging and more complicated than previously known, embodying the blurry lines between business, politics and philanthropy that have enriched and vexed the Clintons.
While advising Mrs. Clinton on Libya, Mr. Blumenthal, who had been barred from a State Department job by aides to President Obama, was also employed by her family's philanthropy, the Clinton Foundation, to help with research, ''message guidance'' and the planning of commemorative events, according to foundation officials. During the same period, he also worked for organizations that helped lay the groundwork for Mrs. Clinton's 2016 campaign.
Much of the Libya intelligence that Mr. Blumenthal passed on to Mrs. Clinton appears to have come from a group of business associates he was advising as they sought to win contracts from the Libyan transitional government.
The venture, which was ultimately unsuccessful, involved other Clinton friends, a private military contractor and one former C.I.A. spy seeking to get in on the ground floor of the new Libyan economy.
The projects ..would have required State Department permits, but foundered before the business partners could seek official approval.
The Libya venture came together in 2011 when David L. Grange, a retired Army general, joined with a new New York firm, Constellations Group, to pursue business leads in Libya. Constellations Group, led by a professional fund-raiser and philanthropist named Bill White, was to provide the leads
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)Clinton Foundation payroll and kept on advising Hillary. He also had no classified security clearance, so he was not eligible to have some of the information he had. I believe he has already been questioned, and I got the sense he opened up and talked truthfully about everything. One never knows though.
Sam
annavictorious
(934 posts)He wants his story line back.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Did anybody else think this was gonna be a thread about "Sid Dithers"?
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)How ya doing?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Hope you've had a nice weekend.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Quiet time today (except for yelling at everyone here....)
Nice to take it easy. Working too much......
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)I blame grasswire for my conversion to knowledge.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Last edited Mon May 30, 2016, 09:57 AM - Edit history (1)
Will be about Sid.......... count on it.
But I imagine the FBI are already talking about it.
And that's a fact Jack.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Obama is right, Sid sucks.