2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDoes Debbie Wasserman-Schultz resent Bernie & Jane Sanders because of their interfaith marriage?
We know she sees this kind of intermarriage as a "problem" because she said so in early 2015.
Could this explain if she had some bias against Bernie Sanders?
Although she does not actively "oppose" it, she identified "assimilation" and intermarriage as problems.
"We have the problem of assimilation. We have the problem of intermarriage. We have the problem that too many generations of Jews don't realize the importance of our institutions strengthening our community..."
Wasserman Schultz recently told a Jewish group that interfaith marriage is a "problem." On Tuesday, in a statement issued by the Democratic National Committee, she said she does "not oppose" it.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Oh noes! She was speaking to people of her faith about issues pertaining to them.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts).....based on your explanation....it would be fine for Democratic politicians to describe that as "problematic" as well.....depending on the "faith" of the audience.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)annavictorious
(934 posts)because they're obnoxiously self-important non-Democrats who feel entitled to dictate terms to the party they have spent the last 10 months exploiting purely for personal gain.
But keep reaching. It's amusing to see exactly how ridiculous the claims will become.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)JPnoodleman
(454 posts)I mean, possibly, but Sanders has produced a child and at this point it would be kinda nutty to expect him to go out and find a Jewish woman to make Jewish babies with.
Idk, DWS is a craven piece of work and a bad chair but I doubt her dislike of Sanders is up to him being married outside the religion of Judaism.
Arkansas Granny
(31,528 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Holy. Fucking. Shit.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)understandable reaction.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)It is a disgrace to see her as chair of the Democratic party.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)Would that matter to her?
still_one
(92,395 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)It's a question about whether DWS sees interfaith marriages as a problem.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)for using medical marijuana.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)than with raising children of such marriages outside the faith. It gets especially complicated when the husband is the Jewish partner because "Jewishness" is reckoned only through the mother.
An honorary niece of mine is Jewish, and she and her husband had a full-throttle ecumenical (Jewish, Catholic, Presbyterian) wedding, but her daughter is being raised Jewish.
I doubt DWS has concerns about a late born baby, here.
Blaukraut
(5,693 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)And it has nothing to do with this election or the Sanders family.
no_hypocrisy
(46,185 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)She is a disaster.
Behind the Aegis
(53,987 posts)However, this type of nonsense is simply stupid and borderline bigoted. Many cultures worry about their culture being "lost". Look at issues around gentrification, Native American communities and their languages/cultures, the GLBT community "assimilating" to a heteronormative life, and the list goes on, but when a Jew expresses concern about our culture being lost, then suddenly their are ulterior motives or we are "white" supremacists. If this were being leveraged as part of the Democratic position or some such, then I would have a real issue with it; but she was talking to other Jews and said nothing that most Jews haven't heard and have been hearing for years and struggle with to some degree.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)But my Grandparents were like the poster Jews for Assimilation, and I'm the product of one of those interfaith marriages, so I'm probably a bit biased.
She seems to approach many things from a sort of socially reactionary position of trying to "contain" or control "bad" or what-may-be-perceived as "unwanted" behavior, which strikes me as fundamentally counterproductive not just to dealing with peoples' complex lives and choices, but ALSO from the standpoint of organically encouraging people to discover what meaning or tradition (if any) holds value for them personally.
The goose, as always, has to get itself out of the bottle.
Describing any two people who love each other (presumably) and want to commit their lives together as a "problem"- to me, that's a problem, no matter the context.
Behind the Aegis
(53,987 posts)They were all for "assimilation" up to a point, which is why my father and his sister don't speak Yiddish, but she and my father both married non-Jews. They didn't care much about my aunt's marriage, but they were not happy with my father (matrilineal line). Both of my brothers are married to non-Jewish women, and my brothers barely touch on Jewish culture. I am too married to someone who isn't Jewish, but Jewishness is a part of our lives, though we have no children (neither of us like them all that much).
I can somewhat agree with your assessment of DWS, but, quite frankly, I am just as irritated by shit like this (the OP) in regards to Jews. Seriously, why is it every other fucking culture can be proud and want to preserve their culture and it is seen as "fine" and even "admirable", but, Jews, and it is goddamned conspiracy?!
Where I see this as different from you, is that she doesn't have a problem with two people in love, but whether or not the Jewish culture will be preserved and I do find that to be reasonable. To me, that context is important. I no longer see the US as a "melting pot." I abandoned that belief years ago in college when I saw Sarah Weddington (Rove V. Wade) speak, and she said America shouldn't be a "melting pot" but rather a "tossed salad", individual cultures not being dispersed to make a tasty meal, but rather maintaining it's original form and still being apart of something greater than its parts.
To me, this type of "concern" (in the OP) is problematic in of itself!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Believe me, these are long-running conversations that take place and questions that come up in our house, too. I mean, hell, we've got kids, so you can imagine what that adds to it all.
But full disclosure: I probably can't have an unbiased opinion about DWS at this point, no matter the topic. Once she allied herself with Sheldon Adelson to kill medical marijuana reform in FL in 2014, that was pretty much it for me.
JudyM
(29,274 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)These theories are getting stupider and stupider by the day. Delete this now.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)It's just some statements of fact and some questions.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)In fact, he's not even a practicing Jew or of any religious belief, so it's a moot point. It's pretty crazy to think that DWS has a personal vendetta against Sanders.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)There's actually a quote she made on the subject. There's a recording and everything.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)DWS doesn't want her arrested, or anything.
LenaBaby61
(6,977 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)jamese777
(546 posts)Key Intermarriage Statistics
47% of Jews marrying between 1996 and 2001 married non-Jews.
31% of all married Jews are intermarried.
39% of these marriages are Jewish-Catholic.
23% are Jewish-Protestant.
26% are between a Jewish person and a person who doesn't affiliate with any religion.
33% of children in intermarriages are raised as Jews. The percentage varies greatly by community, however. In Boston, for example, 60% of children of interfaith families are raised as Jews. In Baltimore, 62% of children of intermarriage are raised as Jews. Conversely, in Denver, only 18% are being raised Jewish.
27% of married people in the U.S. are in interfaith marriages. When you count Protestant denominations as different religions, the number jumps to 37%. Roughly 35 million people in the U.S. are in interfaith marriages.
Key Jewish Population Statistics
Between 5.2 million and 6.5 million. Jews live in the U.S. Jews make up roughly 2% of the U.S. population.
There are 14.4 million Jews throughout the world. 5.7 million Jews live in Israel. After the U.S. and Israel, the countries with the largest Jewish populations, in descending order, are France, Canada, the United Kingdom, Russia and Argentina. Jews make up .2% of the world population.
The metropolitan areas with the largest Jewish populations are, in descending order, Tel Aviv, New York, Jerusalem, Los Angeles, Haifa, South Florida, Beersheba, San Francisco, Paris and Chicago.
Background on Intermarriage in the Jewish Community
For much of American Jewish history, intermarriage was relatively rare. The incidence of intermarriage started to increase in the 1970s (from 13% to 28%). Many Jews know the story of a relative who was disowned (in some cases, mourned as if he or she had died) when he or she married a non-Jew.
In response to the increase in intermarriage, the Reform movement took two controversial steps: it created an outreach department to reach out to and welcome intermarried couples, and decided to recognize the children of Jewish fathers and non-Jewish mothers as Jews (under traditional Jewish law, only children of Jewish mothers are considered Jews).
But when the 1990 National Jewish Population Survey revealed that close to half of all new marriages involving Jews in the previous five years were to non-Jews, intermarriage shot to the top of the Jewish community's agenda.
Because Judaism doesn't encourage proselytizing and Jews are such a small minority (somewhere between 5.2 million and 6.5 million), some Jews consider the ongoing high rate of intermarriage a threat to the continued existence of the Jewish people. Major Jewish figures have been harshly critical of intermarriage and view outreach to the intermarried as a waste of limited communal resources. Major Jewish organizations see promoting Jewish in-marriage as one of their explicit or implicit fundamental goals.
In the last two decades, there has been a growing awareness that writing off intermarried families may mean writing off a Jewish future. Intermarriage can be an opportunity to sustain and even grow the Jewish population both quantitatively and qualitatively. If more than 50% of interfaith families raise their children as Jews, interfaith families will actually increase the size of the Jewish population. But intermarried couples will only make Jewish choices if the Jewish community genuinely welcomes them. InterfaithFamily is a leading advocate for building such an inclusive Jewish community.
http://www.interfaithfamily.com/news_and_opinion/synagogues_and_the_jewish_community/Jewish_Intermarriage_Statistics.shtml
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Did you hurt yourself making that stretch?
The proportion of Jews who say they have no religion and are Jewish only on the basis of ancestry, ethnicity or culture is growing rapidly, and two-thirds of them are not raising their children Jewish at all.
http://www.jta.org/2013/10/01/news-opinion/united-states/pew-survey-u-s-jewish-intermarriage-rate-rises-to-58-percent
The concern of many Jewish groups is more about assimilation than interfaith marriage.
tandem5
(2,072 posts)JI7
(89,264 posts)marriage ?
JI7
(89,264 posts)the "nice ...........boy" "nice ................girl" . fill in the blank with jewish, catholic, italian, korean etc....
Behind the Aegis
(53,987 posts)...it is all about "white" supremacy of some sort, not about preserving our culture. I am really disgusted this is even being "discussed".
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)How is this horrible person still a chair? Just because she threatened Obama with "sexism and anti-semitism OMG!!!!!!!111111one!!!!11111!!!!!" charges when he anted to get rid of her in 2013?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)Bernie weren't a socialist but instead a good insider Dem, I'm sure that she'd be able to see past these sorts of things.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Could this explain if she had some bias against Hillary Clinton?
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)In the Clinton case it's just Hillary's son in law.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Devout "fill in the blank" parents of all faiths see that as a concern.
Why would you make an OP singling out Jews?
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)It's baffling, no?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)If Rick Santorum makes a comment about Catholic intermarriages being a problem, go ahead and post it I'll give you a DU rec. He's about the only one I could imagine saying it though.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)DWS as the "other" to conservative christians in Fla.,its an age old anti semitic dog whistle and it doesn't belong here. I don't care for DWS but this is really an inappropriate OP fit for Free Republic,not DU.
riversedge
(70,299 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)riversedge
(70,299 posts)Ask yourself why they are so admired by so many?
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)question.
For example,
If Bernie colluded with the communists in the Soviet Union, should he withdraw from the presidential race?
TheSarcastinator
(854 posts)MIIISOOOOOGEEEENNNNYYYYYYYYY???
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)I think it's really that simple.