Just a reminder: It's a long time until a nominee is chosen.

[philly_bob]

From my usually apolitical image blog, www.philly-bob.net: [br]

"Getting annoyed by Clinton supporters' online demands that Bernie Sanders drop out of presidential race before July 25 beginning of convention. Before even California has voted! The Sanders movement represents an exciting new development in American political consciousness -- ohmigod, Democratic Socialism! -- and the establishment Democratic Party shuts that movement out at its own risk. Especially since some polls show Sanders beating Trump while Clinton loses to Trump. I want Sanders to have influence over Democratic Platform and the future of the Democratic Party. I think he's earned it.

[still_one]

1. 10 days

[TwilightZone]

3. Yep.

[Logical]

76. You hill fans said Super Tuesday was it initially. Love the dates changing weekly. nt

[Garrett78]

79. You're talking about 2 different things.

Some argue that the race was essentially over by Super Tuesday (others say March 15th). In other words, it was clear at that point that Clinton would end up with more pledged delegates (demographic and mathematical realities strongly indicated so).

What folks are now suggesting is that Clinton will be considered (in the media and elsewhere) to be the "presumptive nominee" by the end of the primaries (and before the convention).

That's not a date change. It's 2 different things.

[MohRokTah]

2. 73

The number of delegates Hillary needs to clinch.

[Silver_Witch]

4. I just wanted to tell you how much you sig line reinforces my dislike for Hillary

Just saying!

[Contrary1]

21. I liken it to brushing off those pesky little folks that don't

believe every single word out of her mouth. Not worth her trouble, until it comes time to vote.

[Lizzie Poppet]

87. Yep: us peasants are about as consequential to her as dandruff.

#NeverHillary

[B Calm]

8. Hillary Clinton is not going to get enough of the pledged delegates to clinch the nomination

outright, so she will need the votes of the superdelegates to push her over the edge for the nomination, and that won't happen until the convention.

[Demsrule86]

69. She only needs the majority of pledged delegates

and she will have that easily.

[rock]

78. Actually

both for the Super and the Pledged delegates, the Convention is when they'll be formerly recorded but they count right now. I have seen the BSers fail to grasp this simple concept since the first few primaries. So if you are a BSer I apologize giving you an explanation that won't make any sense to you. "Feel the Berne!"

[B Calm]

81. I know what the hell is going on here son, welcome to DemocraticBeltway.

[rock]

84. Then you won't mind if we go ahead

And assign (pledge) the rest of the super delegates to Hilary since (according to you) they don't count til the Conventions. Thanks.

[B Calm]

86. I don't mind waiting until the convention. What pisses me off is

seeing democratic underground prematurely calling the winner before the convention because of a bunch of whiny Hillary supporters.

[rock]

89. You're wrong about so many points

But I cannot help you as you will not listen. Sorry.

[B Calm]

90. I don't think so. I visit Ask the Administrators.

[CentralMass]

11. Hillary needs 615 pledged delegates to secure the nomination.

[MohRokTah]

26. BULLSHIT!!!!!!!

She needs 73 more delegates to clinch. Claiming anything else is a LIE!

[Hiraeth]

37. your passion belies your sigline.

just sayin

[Demsrule86]

68. No she doesn't

Bernie math... she needs less than 80 delegates to have a Benie proof majority of pledged delegates...that's is how it works.

[rock]

75. Yep

She's within spitting distance. I hope that Bernie continues to stand in the way.

[Trust Buster]

5. Not really. A convention follows the will of the voters and goes through the motions. The voters

have spoken loud and clear. The convention will not disregard the voters and hand the nomination to an Independent that shows nothing but contempt for the Party. Play all the mind games on yourself that you wish but, this here nomination is over.

[KPN]

54. We shall see won't we.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. Ten days

[JoePhilly]

10. +1

[CentralMass]

14. Bernie trails by 270 pledged delegates. 913 remain. Hillary needs 615 of them to clinch.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Tell it to the Administrator

Star Member Skinner (61,708 posts)
1. When the voting is over the primary is over on DU.

This has gone on long enough. Once the voting is done I have no interest in pretending everyone doesn't already know the outcome.

My opinion is that Donald Trump represents an unprecedented threat to this country, and I have no interest in providing a platform for people to act like a Trump presidency isn't such a big deal. I have permitted it during primary season because many people seem determined to pretend we live in a fantasyland where Republicans don't exist -- but once the primary is over reality sets in and we can no longer afford to ignore our Republican opponent.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910453

You can undermine our presumptive nominee all you want after 6/14 , but not here.

[CentralMass]

17. That is well and good. The primary is not over.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Fair enough. You will be free to express that view but not here.

[TimPlo]

22. Voting is not over till the Convention

At the convention is time that the delegates and Super Delegates vote. In order for a candidate to get the nomination they must have a majority of delegates voting for them. That is why we have pledged delegates that are pledged meaning they have to vote for the candidate at the convention in the first round. No one knows for sure how the SD are going to vote. So if you are saying that Clinton is going to be presumptive nominee after CA votes then you are clueless about how party nomination is done. Unless you actually think she is going to get close to 80% of the CA delegates.


"a candidate becomes the presumptive nominee of his or her party when his or her "last serious challenger drops out or when he or she "mathematically clinches—whichever comes first. A candidate mathematically clinches a nomination by securing a simple majority (i.e., more than 50 percent) of delegates through the primaries and caucuses prior to the convention"

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. Tell it to the Administrator (REDUX)

Star Member Skinner (61,708 posts)
1. When the voting is over the primary is over on DU.

This has gone on long enough. Once the voting is done I have no interest in pretending everyone doesn't already know the outcome.

My opinion is that Donald Trump represents an unprecedented threat to this country, and I have no interest in providing a platform for people to act like a Trump presidency isn't such a big deal. I have permitted it during primary season because many people seem determined to pretend we live in a fantasyland where Republicans don't exist -- but once the primary is over reality sets in and we can no longer afford to ignore our Republican opponent.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910453

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. ...

[TimPlo]

32. "When the voting is over the primary is over on DU. "

Yea and your point. He said when voting is over. You claim that is in 9 days. Voting is not over till a Candidate has a majority of delegates. Hillary is not going to get 80% of the delegates that are left. CA is not some early state Red State that media can lie and paint Sanders as a racist so African American votes go to Hillary. So if she does not get the majority of votes or Sanders suspends his campaign then the DNC convention is where the voting is over. Just because she is assured the nomination does not mean she automatically gets to bypass the rules and gets it handed to her. She still needs the VOTES of a majority of delegates. Saying anything else you are just wrong. Now you could say that she is going to get the nomination at the convention, but to say otherwise is just being dishonest unless you know that she is going to rig election and get <80% of the pledged delegates in CA.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. In spite of your obscurantism the intent of David Allen, aka Skinner is clear.

Star Member Skinner (61,708 posts)
1. When the voting is over the primary is over on DU.

This has gone on long enough. Once the voting is done I have no interest in pretending everyone doesn't already know the outcome.

My opinion is that Donald Trump represents an unprecedented threat to this country, and I have no interest in providing a platform for people to act like a Trump presidency isn't such a big deal. I have permitted it during primary season because many people seem determined to pretend we live in a fantasyland where Republicans don't exist -- but once the primary is over reality sets in and we can no longer afford to ignore our Republican opponent.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125910453

[barrow-wight]

92. If you're so interested in parsing Skinner's words, why not ask him?

I think it was pretty clear to all that when voting ends, it's over. If you want to take that to mean the convention, I suppose there's a .000001% chance he meant that, but I think even the staunchest Bernie supporters know what Skinner meant, just like they know in their hearts that their candidate lost any chance at the nomination months ago. We're all just going through the stages of your feelings at this point.

[philly_bob]

94. Please give a source for the quotation at the end of your post.

If that quote is accurate and the source is authoritative, I trust the Admins will rethink the arbitrary 6/14 deadline.

[B Calm]

23. Will they be dropping Underground off the name democraticunderground?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Duno. That is up to the Administrators. Here is their contact information.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=contact





You're welcome.

[B Calm]

29. What's a good new name? Democraticestablishment?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. ClintonUnderground is fine with me.

[SFnomad]

30. At least it will be Democratic Underground again, finally ...

It will no longer be Independent and Right Wingnut Underground anymore.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. ClintonUnderground has a nice ring.

[SFnomad]

36. Works for me n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. Me too.

[B Calm]

35. LOL, hell we've always criticized our politicians. Seriously, if we quit holding their feet to the

fire, we just as well change the name.

[SFnomad]

38. There is a difference between criticizing our politicians and the crap posted here

by the BS cheerleaders ... hardly expect you to understand the difference.

[B Calm]

45. I see more shit being posted by Hillary supporters. I fully expect you

to know this!

[SFnomad]

46. It must be nice for you to live your life in a #BernieBubble .. where reality doesn't get in the way

[B Calm]

50. and there is also a Hillary bubble, of course you fail to recognize that.

[Demsrule86]

70. Wrong wrong and more wrong

We need to help Hillary beat Trump and all the BS posted by you all mainly from right wing sites needs to stop...the sooner the better. Those who out and out advocate for Trump should be tombstoned.

[B Calm]

80. Tombstoned my ass, welcome to DU!

[Jester Messiah]

58. The admins surely appreciate your properly worshipful demeanor.

It's like the relationship the freepers have with RimJob. Warms the heart. Turns the stomach.

[B Calm]

82. They are doing their best to turn this place into Democratic Beltway. They'll all be sitting around

whining about how mean Trump is and what a glorious candidate Hillary is. snooze

[Reiyuki]

60. What do you think the forum will look like in a Month?

Do you think they'll fall in line and back Hillary or do you expect an exodus from DU?

I know it's not an all-or-nothing. 50/50? 70/30?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. I have no idea.

I do know it is antithetical to the mission of this board:

Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).
Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

to undermine the presumptive Democratic nominee for president.

[Demsrule86]

71. Many came in just to bash Hillary

they leave ...who cares? As for the rest, you all have gotten to used to basing Hillary and it has to stop.

[Lizzie Poppet]

88. If Princess Weathervane wins, I'm out of here.

I'll follow the rules and avoid slamming Hilliary by absenting myself until the GE is over. Unless the coming purge (yes, it's coming...as Skinner's multiple recent comments in AtA make perfectly clear) takes me out entirely. If the latter, well...no loss. If the place turns into a sort of North-Korea-ized Camp Weathervane, where Dear Leader can never be criticized, then I have no use for it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. Back in reality the primary is not over

This is about message control That is all

[Logical]

77. Thanks for no silly "SHOCK" headline and silly video. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

93. It wasn't my thread...

[Jack Bone]

7. 58 days until The Revolution! nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. ...

[Viva_La_Revolution]

55. i wonder how skinner feels about you saying goodbye to his money?

You want the majority of duers to leave so you can have your little clik of self-congratulations in peace.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. The mission... The mission...

Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).
Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

I am not as perspicacious as some of the denizens of this board but I infer from that statement that undermining the presumptive Democratic nominee for president is verboten.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

59. so we've failed then. might as well shut the whole board down

Looks like we will either have a republican, or a third way

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. Democratic centralism

We argue things and then when a decision is made it is final and it is incumbent on all those who were party to the decision to carry it out whether they approved of it or not.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

65. or just leave, which explains the exodus from the Dem party as well

[Hydra]

62. Skinner will have to deal with an empty DU if they "win" and a purge happens

The rah rahs will stop posting because their mission will be over. I'm looking forward to it actually- there's nothing more satisfying than watching natural law in action when someone is trying to fight it.

[MineralMan]

9. I've already shifted into General Election mode.

Looks like I'll be supporting Hillary Clinton in that election. If it were Bernie Sanders, then I'd be supporting him for November.

What influence the losing primary candidate will have remains to be seen. I can't predict that, really.

[Gothmog]

12. The race has really been over for a very long time

Sanders has no chance of being the nominee

[Bleacher Creature]

53. March 15th to be exact.

Sanders lost the race the moment Clinton won Ohio.

[oldandhappy]

13. and even longer until the Nov. election!

After a year of electioneering, I am pooped. I nominate my cat! She is peaceful, sleeps a lot, likes everyone, hisses at dogs, nudges me gently when it is time for dinner, perches on the window sill to watch bugs on the screen, greets me when I come home. Vote Gemma!

Thank you for your post. Appreciate your comments re new developments.

[geek tragedy]

19. It's over in 9 days. All relevant voting ends in 16 days

This will be over well before the convention.

[workinclasszero]

20. JUNE 7th

actually.

Media Outlets Calling the Race for Hillary June 7 8PM EST...Tweety
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107145267


Bernie is done.

[beachbum bob]

27. about 8 days and she achieves the required number

a real long time for sure

[Ed Suspicious]

31. Bullshit. Supers don't vote till they vote. Got it?

[TimPlo]

39. Seriously I don't think they do

I mean I pretty much know there is very little chance in Sanders getting enough in CA to swing this his way. But there is a chance. 65% is not impossible, just unlikely. But it seems a majority of Clinton fans either have no clue about how DNC picks nomination or are just lying on here. Either one is rather sad. Posting arguing about something they have zero information on. Low information to a new level.

[Demsrule86]

43. Do you remember 2008?

60 supers switched to Obama before the convention and made their intentions...she dropped out...he will do the same.

[Samantha]

91. Welcome to DU, TimPlo

I wanted to be sure you saw this thread since it is relevant to your position. I agree with you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512078890

Sam

[Metric System]

40. 10 days until she's the presumptive nominee.

[Ed Suspicious]

48. You seem to not recognize actual reality.

If California polled 20 points up for Clinton would you stop campaigning with 10 days left or would you work to earn more votes?

Don't answer that, we both know.

It is the same with super delegates. Bernie has moved 60 points in the polls. He still has time to move up in the super delegate polls. That's what you fools are so damned afraid of.

He will not quit. Neither will we.

[Metric System]

51. Do you forget 2008? Obama was declared the presumptive nominee in June, way before the convention.

[Garrett78]

83. What are superdelegate polls?

Superdelegates are just party insiders who express support for a candidate (often early in the campaign) but ultimately support the person who ends up with the most pledged delegates. That person will be Clinton.

[TimPlo]

49. So you think she is going to win 80% in CA?

Because that is only way. Or are you in Sanders camp and know he is dropping out? Because to be the presumptive nominee before the convention you need all your major contenders to drop out or a simple majority of pledge delegates. Otherwise you are posting something that makes you look low information about how primaries work.

[Metric System]

52. LOL

[Demsrule86]

73. She only needs to win the majority of pledged delegates

That will happen in Jersey before California ...she need less than 80.

[Demsrule86]

47. They commit before they vote to the candidate with the most delegates

Now, Bernie can hang in until the convention I suppose...but he loses all his platform goodies and loses on the first ballot. He is then likely escorted out by security.

[Demsrule86]

41. seven days likely...16 at most

Bernie drops out after California or DC...he made a deal...that is how he got West. And that day can't come soon enough...terrible man.

[NorthCarolina]

56. Don't they need Sanders out so they can clear the way for the Biden transplant?

If they tried to do that with Bernie still in the race I think it would be pandemonium. It appears they think so as well.

[Demsrule86]

72. wishful thinking

and shows how silly this has become.

[AzDar]

64. I suspect they're trying to hold the coronation, before any more horrifying revelations about

the kween of korruption are made public...

[kayakjohnny]

66. Ta-da!

Thank you for being a most astute posting individual!

Tip o' the hat!

[Demsrule86]

74. No it's not

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-will-likely-clinch-the-democratic-nomination-in-new-jersey/

[tandem5]

85. a little bird (not affiliated with the Sanders Campaign) told me it might be sooner than you think.