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cui bono

(19,926 posts)
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:32 AM May 2016

People Magazine weighs in...Hillary's national security problem is going to reach a wider audience

People who read People are not political wonks. This is going to reach a wider audience, people who don't follow politics that closely, if at all.


What Does the Inspector General's Report on Hillary Clinton's Emails Really Mean?

By Tierney McAfee @tierneymcafee

05/26/2016 AT 10:45 PM EDT

...

The State's inspector general, Steve Linick, said as much in his report, concluding that Clinton's use of a personal email for government business did in fact present a security risk. The report also said that Clinton "failed to seek legal approval for her use of a private email server" and that she would not have been permitted to do so had she asked the Department.

CNN argues that the report's inclusion of allegations against Powell supports the perception that the inspector general's review was not biased or politically motivated, as Clinton has suggested of other past criticisms of her email practices. Furthermore, the outlet argues, Clinton's response "highlights how her defense – which began with confident assertions that she followed all the rules and broke no laws – has now been reduced to the argument that 'others did it too' or that the rules she violated were not significant."

The report also stated that Clinton should have handed over records of her emails to the government at the time that she was working for the Department, or at the very least before she left her position as secretary of state.

...

"It does look like she's playing with two different standards, one for herself and the Clintons and one for everyone else and this is a real perception problem that she has,"
Malone said.

more...
http://www.people.com/article/hillary-clinton-emails-inspector-general-report-mean

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People Magazine weighs in...Hillary's national security problem is going to reach a wider audience (Original Post) cui bono May 2016 OP
One standard for the 1%, another for everyone else. Anyone amazed? merrily May 2016 #1
And THIS Has Been Her Response To Questioning About This Matter For More Than A Year Now... CorporatistNation May 2016 #37
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #2
Did she loose her Security Clearance? Downwinder May 2016 #3
Her security clearance dgibby May 2016 #13
Nobody knew what she was doing! Peace Patriot May 2016 #29
Yes she did lose her security clearance.... jeff47 May 2016 #33
Good. Downwinder May 2016 #35
Jeez, everyone waiting in line at the grocery store will get this riderinthestorm May 2016 #4
Yep, they will get the truth from People magazine SCantiGOP May 2016 #31
Circulation of 3.5 million - a lot of which just sit on supermarket shelves Blue_Adept May 2016 #5
Which is more viewers that what CNN, MSNBC, & FOX get combined. reformist2 May 2016 #23
And no one cares Demsrule86 May 2016 #6
How is this trumped up? Sounds more like self-inflicted. nt babylonsister May 2016 #8
Agree. eom saltpoint May 2016 #10
It's trumped up TeacherB87 May 2016 #11
You keep saying email. That's not the problem. yeoman6987 May 2016 #12
No. No one else had their own server that was not secure and that was handled by several cui bono May 2016 #17
That is a lie. No other SOS had their own server, She said it was allowed, it wasn't. Autumn May 2016 #40
you are just spouting talking points grasswire May 2016 #42
Yeah that's what I'm doing. TeacherB87 May 2016 #44
It's trumped up because it will help Trump move Up if she's the nominee. cui bono May 2016 #16
They are using language EVERYONE can understand. My favorite bit is... IdaBriggs May 2016 #7
Wow. I wouldn't have expected a magazine as fluffy as People to have covered this. winter is coming May 2016 #9
HA! Hadn't seen People tv ad for a long time but damn sure saw 1 today! nc4bo May 2016 #14
perception: she's above law amborin May 2016 #15
So, are most Sanders supporters just poor people who feel fucked by the system? anotherproletariat May 2016 #18
Wrong thread. cui bono May 2016 #19
Some of us have been fucked by the system that favors only profits at any cost to people. DiehardLiberal May 2016 #20
"just poor people" Your disdain for the poor is showing .99center May 2016 #25
But a lying 1 percenter who thinks she's above the law DOES appeal to you? Fawke Em May 2016 #27
I don't know how she'll be able to maintain security clearance after this. AtomicKitten May 2016 #21
If elected POTUS she will automatically get all the security clearance she needs Txbluedog May 2016 #24
I doubt she can or will get elected president after this security lapse. AtomicKitten May 2016 #26
Not if she can't pass the background check. Fawke Em May 2016 #28
There is no background check for the President. jeff47 May 2016 #34
In theory, assuming a real democracy, that is a good system Baobab May 2016 #39
No, it really isn't. jeff47 May 2016 #41
The American people need to know about the candidates. That's basic. senz May 2016 #22
Tipping point: WaPo, the TV networks, now People Mag. DNC leaders next. leveymg May 2016 #30
People magazine...that is my read nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #36
I predicted this months ago AZ Progressive May 2016 #38
"did in fact present a security risk", if that resonates, there will have to be an accounting Babel_17 May 2016 #32
Trump will exploit those very words. grasswire May 2016 #43

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
37. And THIS Has Been Her Response To Questioning About This Matter For More Than A Year Now...
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:57 PM
May 2016

Is this acceptable in a "presumptive Democratic Presidential Nominee???

MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
13. Her security clearance
Sun May 29, 2016, 12:43 PM
May 2016

was revoked when she stepped down as Sec. of State. Protocol dictates that security clearances are revoked whenever government service terminates.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
29. Nobody knew what she was doing!
Sun May 29, 2016, 03:02 PM
May 2016

When two lower level IG employees raised concerns, they were told "don't speak of this ever again." It's in the OIG report. (There was no top IG for the State Dept. at the time, cuz she never appointed one. The top IG would've had the authority to put a stop to it.)

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
33. Yes she did lose her security clearance....
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:42 PM
May 2016

....when she stopped working at a job that required a security clearance. Just like everyone else who stops working at a job that requires a clearance.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
4. Jeez, everyone waiting in line at the grocery store will get this
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:15 AM
May 2016

It's a very basic distillation of the problem.

SCantiGOP

(13,873 posts)
31. Yep, they will get the truth from People magazine
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:49 PM
May 2016

And the Trump voters can pick up National Enquirer at the same checkout.

Blue_Adept

(6,402 posts)
5. Circulation of 3.5 million - a lot of which just sit on supermarket shelves
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:37 AM
May 2016

And mostly purchased by the older set who are just looking for the latest gossip.

After all, younger folks are already clued in and get all their information online.

I suspect older folks don't look at or get People for political news...

 

TeacherB87

(249 posts)
11. It's trumped up
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:04 AM
May 2016

because all prior Secretaries of State that had email did this, and she is being singled out yet again. She's won the nomination, I don't understand what the point is of continuing to press these absurd criticisms that no one will care about in a few months now that the investigation is largely over. Bernie's not pulling a rabbit out of his hat.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
12. You keep saying email. That's not the problem.
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:27 AM
May 2016

The server in the basement that's the problem. Nobody else used a personal server from a private company.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
17. No. No one else had their own server that was not secure and that was handled by several
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:06 PM
May 2016

people - an entire company - who were no where near having proper clearance.

This is a big deal. You really want a POTUS who thinks they can do whatever they want when it comes to national security because they feel like it and think they are above the law? Nixon thought he was above the law too.

.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
40. That is a lie. No other SOS had their own server, She said it was allowed, it wasn't.
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:04 PM
May 2016
Clinton "failed to seek legal approval for her use of a private email server" and that she would not have been permitted to do so had she asked the Department.

The FBI has not finished their investigation and has released no information so no this is not largely over.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
42. you are just spouting talking points
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:21 PM
May 2016

But people here are more educated than that about the topic. So, really, you should catch up.

 

TeacherB87

(249 posts)
44. Yeah that's what I'm doing.
Sun May 29, 2016, 09:14 PM
May 2016

Let me be clearer...she will face no criminal or civil charges for her handling of the server. She will take an apologetic tone and it will go away, as will Bernie because he lost. And in the end we will be stuck with her one way or another, so we might as well spend our time figuring out how to prevent Trump from getting into the White House. You can condescend to me all you like, it changes nothing. She'll win in November with or without you, so go vote for Jill Stein or something. I, in the meantime, will choose my lesser of two evils since the candidate I liked couldn't finish the job.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
7. They are using language EVERYONE can understand. My favorite bit is...
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:50 AM
May 2016

"turn in her emails when she left" because that is COMMON SENSE for every professional dealing with email.

Your work email belongs to work. It doesn't matter if you work for the government or for an automotive company or for a magazine or for a grocery store or for Comcast customer service.

Work emails belong to work.

Those of us who care about government transparency and accountability issues find it especially obscene, but the basic concepts -- "work emails stay at work" -- is out there so that even non-IT understand what she did wrong.

It will make it easier when the indictments start coming; it won't be as much of a shock to the public.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
9. Wow. I wouldn't have expected a magazine as fluffy as People to have covered this.
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:00 AM
May 2016

I guess it's not some abstruse political squabble, after all.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
14. HA! Hadn't seen People tv ad for a long time but damn sure saw 1 today!
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:19 PM
May 2016

Of course they didn't talk about Hillary in the ad, it was something much more juicilious and superficial. So juicilious and superficial I can't even remember what it was

LOL wait until folks flip through the light stuff and get a load of the surprise inside.

Coming soon to a waiting room or supermarket checkout near you!

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
18. So, are most Sanders supporters just poor people who feel fucked by the system?
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:10 PM
May 2016

I really don't get the appeal.

DiehardLiberal

(580 posts)
20. Some of us have been fucked by the system that favors only profits at any cost to people.
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:24 PM
May 2016

Others of us, care about what happens to others even if we are OK. It's not just about "me, me, me".

The appeal is to our higher selves to be kind to others (Christian value?), take care of the planet, create lives of value and more. Why is that so difficult to comprehend?

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
24. If elected POTUS she will automatically get all the security clearance she needs
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:41 PM
May 2016

Same as anyone else who gets elected POTUS

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
28. Not if she can't pass the background check.
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:50 PM
May 2016

And the FBI will have a big start on that one.

I mean, there really isn't much precedent on this sort of thing. We've never had a nominee who was under a criminal investigation before.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
34. There is no background check for the President.
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:49 PM
May 2016

Our current classification system was created in 1947 by Congress passing a law that basically says, "Fuck it! Executive branch, you come up with a system!".

As a result, there actually is no security clearance for the President. The President gets access to everything. Executive orders define who else gets access, because those EOs define the security clearance system.

Even better, the entire system is based on executive orders. So a president could sign an executive order giving a security clearance to anyone, no matter their history.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
39. In theory, assuming a real democracy, that is a good system
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:03 PM
May 2016

however, ....

maybe its time for us all to start looking ahead to preventing what has been a horrible election season in the future.

I think the problem at the root of all of this is the money in politics.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
41. No, it really isn't.
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:06 PM
May 2016

The President should be subject to the same laws as anyone else, instead of being able to create the law at his or her whim.

Congress should be the part of the government that creates the classification system, via laws.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
32. "did in fact present a security risk", if that resonates, there will have to be an accounting
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:56 PM
May 2016

The questions only get tougher from here on out.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
43. Trump will exploit those very words.
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:25 PM
May 2016

He will wield them like a hot sword, and scare America.

And that's why she needs to remove herself.

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