2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPeople Magazine weighs in...Hillary's national security problem is going to reach a wider audience
People who read People are not political wonks. This is going to reach a wider audience, people who don't follow politics that closely, if at all.
By Tierney McAfee @tierneymcafee
05/26/2016 AT 10:45 PM EDT
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The State's inspector general, Steve Linick, said as much in his report, concluding that Clinton's use of a personal email for government business did in fact present a security risk. The report also said that Clinton "failed to seek legal approval for her use of a private email server" and that she would not have been permitted to do so had she asked the Department.
CNN argues that the report's inclusion of allegations against Powell supports the perception that the inspector general's review was not biased or politically motivated, as Clinton has suggested of other past criticisms of her email practices. Furthermore, the outlet argues, Clinton's response "highlights how her defense which began with confident assertions that she followed all the rules and broke no laws has now been reduced to the argument that 'others did it too' or that the rules she violated were not significant."
The report also stated that Clinton should have handed over records of her emails to the government at the time that she was working for the Department, or at the very least before she left her position as secretary of state.
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"It does look like she's playing with two different standards, one for herself and the Clintons and one for everyone else and this is a real perception problem that she has," Malone said.
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http://www.people.com/article/hillary-clinton-emails-inspector-general-report-mean
merrily
(45,251 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Is this acceptable in a "presumptive Democratic Presidential Nominee???
MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...
Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...
Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"
Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"
Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!
Uncle Joe
(58,417 posts)Thanks for the thread, cui bono.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)dgibby
(9,474 posts)was revoked when she stepped down as Sec. of State. Protocol dictates that security clearances are revoked whenever government service terminates.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)When two lower level IG employees raised concerns, they were told "don't speak of this ever again." It's in the OIG report. (There was no top IG for the State Dept. at the time, cuz she never appointed one. The top IG would've had the authority to put a stop to it.)
jeff47
(26,549 posts)....when she stopped working at a job that required a security clearance. Just like everyone else who stops working at a job that requires a clearance.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)It's a very basic distillation of the problem.
SCantiGOP
(13,873 posts)And the Trump voters can pick up National Enquirer at the same checkout.
Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)And mostly purchased by the older set who are just looking for the latest gossip.
After all, younger folks are already clued in and get all their information online.
I suspect older folks don't look at or get People for political news...
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)for a trumped up 'scandal' that is completely meaningless in the real world...
babylonsister
(171,091 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)TeacherB87
(249 posts)because all prior Secretaries of State that had email did this, and she is being singled out yet again. She's won the nomination, I don't understand what the point is of continuing to press these absurd criticisms that no one will care about in a few months now that the investigation is largely over. Bernie's not pulling a rabbit out of his hat.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)The server in the basement that's the problem. Nobody else used a personal server from a private company.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)people - an entire company - who were no where near having proper clearance.
This is a big deal. You really want a POTUS who thinks they can do whatever they want when it comes to national security because they feel like it and think they are above the law? Nixon thought he was above the law too.
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Autumn
(45,120 posts)The FBI has not finished their investigation and has released no information so no this is not largely over.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)But people here are more educated than that about the topic. So, really, you should catch up.
TeacherB87
(249 posts)Let me be clearer...she will face no criminal or civil charges for her handling of the server. She will take an apologetic tone and it will go away, as will Bernie because he lost. And in the end we will be stuck with her one way or another, so we might as well spend our time figuring out how to prevent Trump from getting into the White House. You can condescend to me all you like, it changes nothing. She'll win in November with or without you, so go vote for Jill Stein or something. I, in the meantime, will choose my lesser of two evils since the candidate I liked couldn't finish the job.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)"turn in her emails when she left" because that is COMMON SENSE for every professional dealing with email.
Your work email belongs to work. It doesn't matter if you work for the government or for an automotive company or for a magazine or for a grocery store or for Comcast customer service.
Work emails belong to work.
Those of us who care about government transparency and accountability issues find it especially obscene, but the basic concepts -- "work emails stay at work" -- is out there so that even non-IT understand what she did wrong.
It will make it easier when the indictments start coming; it won't be as much of a shock to the public.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)I guess it's not some abstruse political squabble, after all.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Of course they didn't talk about Hillary in the ad, it was something much more juicilious and superficial. So juicilious and superficial I can't even remember what it was
LOL wait until folks flip through the light stuff and get a load of the surprise inside.
Coming soon to a waiting room or supermarket checkout near you!
amborin
(16,631 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)I really don't get the appeal.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)DiehardLiberal
(580 posts)Others of us, care about what happens to others even if we are OK. It's not just about "me, me, me".
The appeal is to our higher selves to be kind to others (Christian value?), take care of the planet, create lives of value and more. Why is that so difficult to comprehend?
.99center
(1,237 posts)Are you on the right forum?
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)Same as anyone else who gets elected POTUS
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)And the FBI will have a big start on that one.
I mean, there really isn't much precedent on this sort of thing. We've never had a nominee who was under a criminal investigation before.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Our current classification system was created in 1947 by Congress passing a law that basically says, "Fuck it! Executive branch, you come up with a system!".
As a result, there actually is no security clearance for the President. The President gets access to everything. Executive orders define who else gets access, because those EOs define the security clearance system.
Even better, the entire system is based on executive orders. So a president could sign an executive order giving a security clearance to anyone, no matter their history.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)however, ....
maybe its time for us all to start looking ahead to preventing what has been a horrible election season in the future.
I think the problem at the root of all of this is the money in politics.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The President should be subject to the same laws as anyone else, instead of being able to create the law at his or her whim.
Congress should be the part of the government that creates the classification system, via laws.
senz
(11,945 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Then she's kaput.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Well, time to add that to tje timeline.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Bernie needs to drag this, and Hillary will defeat herself...
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)The questions only get tougher from here on out.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)He will wield them like a hot sword, and scare America.
And that's why she needs to remove herself.