2016 Postmortem
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-misstates-key-facts-in-email-server-case/ST. LOUIS -- Over the months, Hillary Clinton misstated key facts about her use of private email and her own server for her work as secretary of state, the department's inspector general reported this week.
According to the findings, she claimed approval she didn't have and declined to be interviewed for the report despite saying "I'm more than ready to talk to anybody anytime." Scrutiny of her unusual email practices appeared to be unwelcome, despite her contention those practices were well known and "fully above board."
A look at some of Clinton's past claims about her unusual email set-up and how they compare with the inspector general's findings:
CLINTON: "The system we used was set up for President Clinton's office. And it had numerous safeguards. It was on property guarded by the Secret Service. And there were no security breaches." - March 2015 press conference.
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THE REPORT: Evidence emerged of hacking attempts, though it's unclear whether they were successful.
On Jan. 9, 2011, an adviser to former President Bill Clinton notified the State Department's deputy chief of staff for operations that he had to shut down the server because he suspected "someone was trying to hack us and while they did not get in i didnt (sic) want to let them have the chance to."
Later that day, he sent another note. "We were attacked again so I shut (the server) down for a few min."
The following day the deputy chief emailed top Clinton aides and instructed them not to email the secretary "anything sensitive."
Also in May 2011, Clinton told aides that someone was "hacking into her email," after she received a message with a suspicious link, the new audit report said.
The Associated Press has previously reported that, according to detailed records compiled in 2012, Clinton's server was connected to the internet in ways that made it more vulnerable to hackers. It appeared to allow users to connect openly over the internet to control it remotely.
Moreover, it's unclear what protection her email system might have achieved from having the Secret Service guard the property. Digital security breaches tend to come from computer networks, not over a fence.
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CLINTON: "What I did was allowed. It was allowed by the State Department. The State Department has confirmed that." - AP interview, September.
THE REPORT: "No evidence" that Clinton asked for or received approval to conduct official government business on a personal email account run through a private server in her New York home. According to top State Department officials interviewed for the investigation, the departments that oversee security "did not - and would not - approve" her use of a personal account because of security concerns.
Clinton has changed her account since the report came out. On Thursday, she told CNN "I thought it was allowed. I knew past secretaries of state used personal email."
Colin Powell was the only secretary of state who used personal email for work, but not to the extent she did, and he did not use a private server.
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CLINTON: "It was fully above board. Everybody in the government with whom I emailed knew that I was using a personal email." - AP interview, September.
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CLINTON: "The people in the government knew that I was using a personal account . the people I was emailing to on the dot gov system certainly knew and they would respond to me on my personal email." - NBC News interview, September.
THE REPORT: According to the findings, it's unclear how widespread knowledge was about Clinton's use of a personal account. Though Clinton's use of a private email was discussed with some in her agency, senior department officials who worked for her, including the undersecretary responsible for security, said they were not asked to approve or review the use of her private server.
The officials also said they were "unaware of the scope or extent" of her email practices, even though Clinton exchanged hundreds of thousands of messages with people in government from her personal account.
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CLINTON: "In the fall, I think it was October of last year (2014), the State Department sent a letter to previous secretaries of state asking for help with their record-keeping, in part because of the technical problems that they knew they had to deal with. And they asked that we, all of us, go through our e-mails to determine what was work-related and to provide that for them." - NBC News, September.
THE REPORT: While it's true that the State Department requested records from former secretaries of state in November 2014, the report says the department raised concerns about Clinton's compliance with federal record-keeping laws years earlier, and the attention did not appear welcome.
Two employees in the Office of Information Resources Management discussed concerns about her use of a personal email account in separate 2010 meetings. One of the employees stressed in one of the meetings that the information being transmitted needed to be preserved to satisfy federal records laws.
They were instructed by the director of the department "never to speak of the Secretary's personal email system again," according to the report.
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CLINTON: "I think last August I made it clear I'm more than ready to talk to anybody anytime. - CBS News interview in May.
THE REPORT: Clinton declined through her lawyer to be interviewed for the report. Four other secretaries of state participated: John Kerry, Madeleine Albright, Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell. She now says: "everything I had to say was out there."
But she has said she will speak to the FBI as part of a separate criminal investigation into possible security breaches related to her private server.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Misstating something is an unintentional mistake, as in calling somebody by the wrong name. Hillary claiming the State Department approved her using a private email server for her email correspondence as Secretary of State is a bald faced lie. She was challenged on who gave her the approval in one of the debates and she said she didn't have to ask for approval.
The FBI needs to do its job and indict this lying crook to spare the country a female Richard Nixon in the White House.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)They are tip toeing around the truth.
And even many members of DU are ill informed, because the truth about HRC's actions and the resulting investigations is being censored here. FACTS are being censored.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)Her slimy corruption is absolutely Nixonian. This is especially so because the likely reason for a private server in her home was to use her position as SoS to conduct shady deals for the Clinton Slush Fund (aka Foundation) and pad her pockets for this POTUS bid all the while avoiding scrutiny and FOIA queries
tymorial
(3,433 posts)I am outraged at the implicit threat in this statement:
"They were instructed by the director of the department "never to speak of the Secretary's personal email system again," according to the report. "
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)if she told you to keep your mouth shut regarding the secret, off-the-radar-screen server, you better keep your mouth shut. Or else...
Hopefully a brave American will step forward and expose the Clinton shenanigans so that the FBI can determine whether they should recommend indictments to DOJ officials.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I'm betting on Bill's personal aide.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Lol, on my honor, I just now googled "Bill's personal aide" without the quotes and the second hit is pretty funny. I won't link it, but here's the relevant quote.
"Columnist Monica Crowley reported that the Clintons are now paying Coopers legal bills."
http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/29/report-clintons-are-paying-legal-bills-for-aide-who-registered-private-email-address/
Not a fan of Crowley because of her being too dependent on being an insider, but, yes, she does have inside sources.
Even funnier result googling "Justin Cooper Bill Clinton legal bills" but I had to scroll down a bit.
(It was the ninth one on my search page, YMMV)
senz
(11,945 posts)Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)Fairgo
(1,571 posts)Wait until she is president and you will find out
Merryland
(1,134 posts)an inner circle of people told to keep their mouths shut.
vintx
(1,748 posts)tried to do the right thing
Meteor Man
(385 posts)Sanders is already polling within 2% of Hillary in California. It's neck and neck and Bernie has The Big Mo on his side.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)IIRC they are record setting this year.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)her new and improved lie
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)That would be "misstating" reality: she's a serial liar.
senz
(11,945 posts)Something's wrong.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.
She's been at this for decades. I don't know how she keeps them straight.
senz
(11,945 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)We almost have to protect her from herself while we protect ourselves from her greed and deceit.
senz
(11,945 posts)We've seen signals that it could be Biden, could be EW ...
It's a pity that they fear Bernie so much. How on earth would it hurt the country to have better basic living conditions and greater fairness for the citizens? I wish I could give them the courage to stand up to the fat cats. Courage that Bernie has shown his entire life.
Kall
(615 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)That line seems to fit here, quite well actually.
senz
(11,945 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)Lazy, stupid, or evil.
Pick one.
senz
(11,945 posts)or something along those lines.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)Do we really want another one?
senz
(11,945 posts)In both cases, unelected people took over. Reagan was pretty much floated through his presidency by close aides and Nancy, and Dim Son had Cheney.
I read about Hill's closest aides at the State Dept. emailing one another about her confused responses.
Why is this happening? Doesn't the DNC care? Is their establishment fear of Bernie, of basic fairness for the American people, so powerful that they would let this happen?
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)And... she ain't stupid.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)God forbid she should ditch the hot sauce and make room in her bag for another blackberry!
Uncle Joe
(58,426 posts)Thanks for the thread, amborin.
dragonfly301
(399 posts)This made me lol - can someone please explain to Hillary what hacking is and that the Secret Service being physically present is not going to stop it. I just don't see how she gets security clearance after this.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)like wiping is with a cloth
vintx
(1,748 posts)She just doesn't give a fuck. Sheer hubris.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)http://www.thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_Timeline
Big Time Thanks!
vintx
(1,748 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Flagged for account review.
Shamefully.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)When you see 1 cockroach you know there are hundreds you don't see
When you see two hacks...
grasswire
(50,130 posts)He was just Bill Clinton's personal aide. No training. No clearance.
Logical
(22,457 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Hard to believe one of the Clintons would misstate.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)AP Fact Check signed off on this, and so did FactCheck.org.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DEM_2016_CLINTON_EMAILS_FACT_CHECK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/05/ig-report-on-clintons-emails/
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Well...attempted cover up.
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MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)When in light of new evidence that trickles out over a year's time you are given a multitude of opportunities to clarify your statements and you choose to stick to your guns, that isn't "misstating."
That's L-Y-I-N-G.
CrispyQ
(36,527 posts)They were instructed by the director of the department "never to speak of the Secretary's personal email system again," according to the report.