2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo Sanders is going to hold a rally in my home town on Saturday. Guess who is not going.
My mother-in-law asked my wife if she wanted to go to the Sanders rally. My wife said "hell no". Neither one of us can stand to listen to that man.
We already voted for Hillary in the CA primary two weeks ago by mail.
LexVegas
(6,091 posts)Vinca
(50,302 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)progressoid
(49,996 posts)Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Folks sure do like to talk about Bernie. Thanks for keeping him in the news!
B Calm
(28,762 posts)and you were unable to get tickets.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)She knew better than to even ask if I wanted to accompany her; we'll each be happily cancelling the other's votes out this primary.
Snarkoleptic
(5,998 posts)By which I mean your wife in her support of Bernie.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)He can't win, but he goes on about how he's winning. He'll never run against Trump, but he says he's the only one who can beat Trump. Most of it is "Secretary Clinton" bashing, directly and indirectly, and bashing the DNC and Obama administration, though I didn't hear him mention Obama by name. Not much policy. You've heard it all before. The venues are smallish but made to appear bigger with room dividers so there's always a line waiting to get in. The people I met at the local one were nice but didn't seem like they knew a lot about politics. Kind of the Ron Paul demographic. Not very inspiring but YMMV.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)This is now:
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)possible that he has achieved more than he hoped to when he began and that his plan is up and running satisfactorily as far as he's concerned. Apparently his followers are trying to effect rules changes and get into decision-making positions in precincts around the nation. Not always competently from some I've heard, and you're seeing, but they'll learn if they stick, very questionable for most of course. We'll have to see how much of that movement continues.
Sadly, you're obviously right about the Clinton bashing and pretending to still be an alternative. So ignominiously, bashing her and satisfying resentment by promising to stick it to the rich are still energizing a far, far, far more fans than prating about actual fixes, like universal healthcare and income redistribution.
Not a crowd I'd care to join at this point either, and I'm guessing some not showing are mature liberals who'd once considered investing their vote for change in him.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Apart from Hillary stinks and Democrats are evil though I'm not certain what it is. Yes, he talks with great pride about his movement. His movement to do what? Change your voter registration from D to I? Well, we saw the results of that inspirational message in Nevada when dozens of his delegates got themselves disqualified. That leaves sending him money I guess.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Did you see this piece about Sanders supporters from a pair of political scientists in the NY Times Opinion section the other day? Hardly flattering.
They all styled themselves as high-minded ideologues out to reform the nation, liberal, "progressive," or otherwise. Instead of passion for policy and issue, though, the passion was for attack, and these guys feel their data explain that, among other things by revealing that his support is concentrated among "disaffected white men." (I like to think Bernie drew the "cream" of that group away from Trump, for a while anyway. )
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/opinion/campaign-stops/do-sanders-supporters-favor-his-policies.html?smid=tw-share
Below is Paul Krugman's rather "romanticized" take on that, if you haven't seen it also: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/the-truth-about-the-sanders-movement/?login=email&ref=opinion&_r=0&mtrref=www.nytimes.com&assetType=opinion
He doesn't mention extremism or the far left or right but instead identifies "idealists" and "romantics" to describe some less toxic followers and then "purists" and a whole block with "Clinton Derangement Syndrome" far less kindly. He can't be any more familiar with these people than non-SBS liberals here on DU are.
4.CDS victims: Quite a few Sanders supporters are mainly Clinton-haters, deep in the grip of Clinton Derangement Syndrome; they know that Hillary is corrupt and evil, because thats what they hear all the time; they dont realize that the reason its what they hear all the time is that right-wing billionaires have spent more than two decades promoting that message. Sanders has gotten a number of votes from conservative Democrats who are voting against her, not for him, and for sure there are liberal supporters who have absorbed the same message, even if they dont watch Fox News.
Then there are his "Salon des Refuses," professionals on the outside who saw Sanders are their ticket to get inside and sharpened their adjectives for battle.
One thing, this season has been fascinating and a real education, for those who can decipher it. If only more people were trying to mine it for understanding. I'm personally really looking forward to high-quality books and articles from those are currently working to develop just that.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)One Black Sheep
(458 posts)Meanwhile, Hillary can't even fill a small room. People just don't like Hillary, for some reason.
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)I despise Sanders and have no interest in his canned same old same old speeches.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)"I despise Sanders and have no interest in his canned same old same old speeches.", said with Kindness and Love.
MineralMan
(146,325 posts)before photos of a Dead concert.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts).
So polarized to shut down any outside thought?
I am really curious, how people can get such disdain that they cannot even watch someone else.
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