Isn't Hillary the one who actually won Nevada?

[Cali_Democrat]

Lost in all the noise about Nevada is the fact that Hillary actually won the Nevada caucuses.

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/nevada

Hillary won 52.6% to 47.3%.

So why are Bernie and his supporters so angry?

Because they tried to steal Nevada from Hillary and they were thwarted.

[JaneyVee]

1. Only if youre one of those people who believe 52.6 is higher than 47.3.

[scscholar]

2. Is a stool higher than a chair?

Yes.

[TomCADem]

18. But Bernie Gets The Righteousness Power-Up Multiplier (2x)

[Nonhlanhla]

3. They're angry because

...well, because...

Argh, I give up.

Maybe because the Democratic Part would not allow unregistered "delegates" to steal Hillary's victory.

[truedelphi]

20. Well, here is our side of the story:

https://shadowproof.com/2016/05/17/democrats-manipulated-nevada-state-party-convention-blamed-sanders-chaos/

I invite you to venture outside the bubble.

[silvershadow]

4. Per the rules we all agreed on, whomever gets the votes at convention is the winner.

Unfortunately, they deliberately thwarted the process. Rules be dammed. Laws be damned.

[joshcryer]

6. By no measure was the process thwarted.

Sanders camp brought more than the 73% of county delegates they won they could've pulled an Obama and flipped 3-4 delegates.

[silvershadow]

7. Oh yes. Between April and the convention, delegates voter registrations mysteriously flipped

parties, and they were denied access. Additionally, the time given to delegates was different than the actual start time (conveniently). Additionally, the rest was caught on film. But, you knew all that.

[joshcryer]

12. The delegates never showed to do their credentials.

The ones that showed got in. We know at least one guy changed to Indy. But it's irrelevant, Sanders camp only got 73% to show vs Clinton's 93%. They were out organized.

[truedelphi]

21. Thank you for yr efforts to educate people here.

Glad someone has the patience to try that.

[silvershadow]

24. I refuse to let the rewrite history. Not on my watch. Not on Bernie's either. nt

[TwilightZone]

32. More than 400 Sanders delegates didn't even show up.

Perhaps some other Sanders supporters should start wondering why and considering that they might share some of the responsibility.

Nah.

The start time nonsense was debunked repeatedly. It actually started late. But, keep beating that dead horse.

[Quixote1818]

5. This was about 5 delegates that would have gone to Bernie not about winning the state

Even if he would have gained those five delegates he still would not have ended up with more delegates. It was about the principal of the process being run by the rules laid out and that was circumvented.

[truedelphi]

23. I think the Clintons feel that honesty is "Oh so

1968."

So it must be amazing to them that some people demand respect and order and some regulations.

I mean, none of their friends, like Mr Giustra, expect that regulations have to be followed.

And the trade agreements both Clintons want to set up as a One World Government by proxy pretty much keep national sovereignty and also the Will of the People totally out of the loop.

A politically savvy woman who has managed to sell one fifth of this nation's uranium to Russian Business operators certainly doesn't want to worry her head about regulations.

[silvershadow]

28. Amen. They always have some lame excuse. There were irregularities from JUMP. Arizona

wasn't without it's purpose in that. Whether it was purely accidental from a Clinton perspective or not, they certainly capitalized on that to rewrite the narrative. And that's being gracious to them, because I'm not so sure it was accidental when view through the lens of the rest of the Great Coast to Coast Disenfranchisement Primary.

Irregularities are nearly every stop along the tour. I'm not currently buying the narrative. They are so desperate right this minute for Bernie to drop out you can smell it oozing from their pores even this far away (insert your own mileage).

Not buying it for a minute. Not until all the votes are certified and counted will I actually know for sure, their margins so close compared to what hasn't been certified.

On ward we go, all the way to California and beyond.

[sufrommich]

8. A mere technicality.

[MoonRiver]

9. and...

Haters gonna hate.

[NCTraveler]

10. Yes. Handily. Nt

[Bluenorthwest]

11. Fun facts about the Nevada Caucus: They've only held two contested Democratic caucus cycles

in history. Hillary Clinton has won both of them, first against Obama then Sanders. In both cases, supporters of Clinton made accusations of wildl aggression against the supporters of the other candidate, in spite of winning the contest. Those dang Obama supporters, they were terrible to the poor casino workers. It was despicable and stuff. Fun facts.

[joshcryer]

13. Obama actually flipped the outcome last time.

[Nye Bevan]

14. That's something that comes up very little in threads about Nevada (nt)

[Skid Rogue]

15. Yes, and that's why this issue...

doesn't resonate with the average voter. No matter which camp is in the right, it looks as if Sanders' team is trying to take a win away from Clinton.

[baldguy]

16. They're angry because the truth has a well-known pro-Clinton bias.

[moriah]

22. Okay, stealing that one for use in the GE (if she is the nominee). Nt

[Time for change]

17. Hillary lost the Clark County Convention to Bernie because hundreds of Hillary delegates

either didn't show up or switched to Bernie.

You call that trying to steal the election?

Why do you suppose that hundreds of Hillary delegates didn't show up or switched to Bernie? My guess is that they learned that there was something very wrong with the way the initial election was held. Do you have any better explanations?

[truedelphi]

26. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ n/t

[baldguy]

29. And hundres of Sanders delegates didn't show up for the state convention because....?

[brush]

30. Yeah. I caucused in Vegas on election day. Clinton supporters clearly outnumbered Sanders'

She won on election day, no doubt.

Sanders people tried to switch the outcome at the county convention.

They tried to make that stand at the state convention but were thwarted.

I hope we soon switch back to a primary where votes and delegates are tallied on that one day.

Caucuses are archaic, too complex, vote-suppressing, time consuming and exclusionary. Maybe good for small towns in Iowa but in major metro areas, who has time to spend several hours at 3 different events on 3 different days when it could all be done on one day?

[LiberalFighter]

34. I totally agree.

It would allow more people to vote. And not require as much time. But it would still need to be a closed primary.

[taught_me_patience]

19. An campaign based on anger

Leads to angry constituents. They mad!

[truedelphi]

27. "They mad" and they have a right to be mad.

Since 1985, our jobs have gone mostly overseas.

The nation of Germany has held on to manufacturing jobs, for many reasons. These reasons include not wanting to saddle their populace with a terrible trade deficit, like the one the USA has. And also, it is good for people to have jobs.

In Germany, the actual increase in wages since 1985 has risen some 172%.

Ya wanna know how much of a wage increase most people in the USA have seen? Some one half of one percent.

And we who have watched this know that another neo con in office will continue to let jobs and resources be taken away from us.

TPP and all that is a "contract on America." Hillary supports that mess of a visa program that hands some of the better paying jobs to people from India. Her buddies are crooks. Her husband has serious sex addiction problems. Her daughter is married into a very how should I put it "lacking in integrity" type of family.

Overall, Bernie Sanders supporters understand that there is a choice right now:
In this election cycle, we can decide we want to live under the nasty thumb of the One Percent, so the Clintons can continue to benefit in ways beyond our wildest dreams (Such as the one billion dollar money laundering operation known as the Clinton Foundation)
or we can decide we want to restore our democracy!

[morningfog]

25. Your mistake is assuming caucuses are democratic.

Caucuses are not premised on representing a popular vote.

Hillary won the first stage. She lost the second by legitimate means, not "stealing." The third stage was a mess. And there is evidence that Bernie's delegates were forced out or wrongfully denied access.

That's why it was wrong.

[brush]

33. You are right. Caucuses are undemocratic

Why should the candidate who wins on election day have it taken away in the second phase?

The people vote on election day for Clinton, Sanders' people maneuvered it away at the county convention, then they themselves were outmaneuvered at the state convention.

They got angry that they were out organized at the state convention but when you think about, the original will of the people on election day prevailed.