Here it comes, kids. DWS pushes repressive NEW RULES .

[grasswire]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/democrats-consider-new-rules-avoid-convention-chaos

PHILADELPHIA – Still reeling from the chaos surrounding last weekend’s Nevada Democratic State Convention, party officials considered new guidelines Friday that would bar interruptions of any kind at upcoming state conventions.

Last week’s unrest was on everyone’s mind at a meeting here of State Democratic Party chairmen, who rallied around Roberta Lange, the Nevada chair who has received death threats from supporters of Bernie Sanders.

“Any one of us could be Roberta one day,” Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz said. “But none of us are going to stand for it.”

In a speech dedicated almost entirely to projecting confidence that the party will ultimately unify, Wasserman Schultz drew on her experience as a die-hard Hillary Clinton supporter in 2008.

“To say that I was not very well-liked by then-Sen. Obama’s supporters would be an understatement. Despised might be more accurate,” Wasserman Schultz said. “I share that story with you because I want to remind everyone that we have been down this road before.”

snip

The guidelines called for cost sharing for extra security, more meetings to hammer out issues ahead of time and for senior officials with both campaigns to be on the floor of the convention to help reign in supporters if need be..... conventions should proceed “without interruption or interference of any manner,” including “auditory or visual distractions.”

Jaxon Ravens, the chairman of the Washington State Party, added that party officials should take extra safety and security precautions at state party offices. Several party chairs stood to publicly thank Lange. “It’s not about Nevada any more, it’s about all of us,” she replied.

[JaneyVee]

1. Oh the horror! Extra security, more meetings, and unity!

[grasswire]

2. and authoritarians in the party rejoice! nt

[JaneyVee]

8. Arent the authoritarians the ones trying to overturn the will of the people?

Checkmate.

[panader0]

12. No Janey, the will of the people was ignored by those in authority.

That's why some folks got sore.

[SFnomad]

13. Actually, the will of the people in Nevada said Secretary Clinton won and should get

more delegates. It's everything that has happened since that shows that Caucuses are NOT democratic.

[jeff47]

87. Actually, caucuses are not completed in a single day.

Resulting in a process where later votes do not have to come to the same result as that one day.

But hey, as long as the one you like won, who gives a shit about following the rules.

[SFnomad]

104. Yeah, when the BS cheerleaders don't like (and don't follow) the rules ... they riot

when they don't like the outcome.

[CorporatistNation]

89. PATENTLY FALSE ASSERTION!

Watch the tape... Changed the rules on the fly! CORRUPTION AT ITS MOST BLATANT AND ABJECT... IRREFUTABLE!

[riversedge]

25. Some Sanders folks got vile and ugly and violent!!

[panader0]

32. one arrest--of a HRC supporter

[AgingAmerican]

46. All provably false

As you well know

[frylock]

97. The filthy savages.

[hellofromreddit]

101. Don't forget the chalk!

My word!

[Warren DeMontague]

17. Debbie Wasserman Schultz believes that sick grannies should go to prison for smoking pot.

So to call her an "authoritarian" isn't exactly a stretch.

[kaleckim]

113. ?

No, authoritarians do things in an undemocratic and heavy handed way, like what happened in Vegas to get people pissed in the first place. Also, telling that she says NOTHING about how things were handled, and this after she spent the last few days lying about a candidate in her own party and people within her own party on national television. She also is the same person that is in the back pocket of pay day loan companies and has totally thrown the door open to corporate interests at the convention. This is authoritarian, you don't need to do this unless you realize that what you're doing is pissing people off. Let's not pretend that she hasn't been horribly biased this entire election cycle. Everyone outside the Clinton bubble can see that. The disturbing thing is that so many in this party want to deny there is a reason to be angry.

I wonder, if what Sanders' supporters did in Vegas is just so horrible, what do you think about what happened at the Trump protests? I'm sure you all were horrified and said so. The Democrats just yelled shame at the Republicans because of their anti-LGBT bill. What do you all think about that? I'm sure you are outraged, right? Give another "checkmate" comment.

[floriduck]

3. I'm okay with what I read. It's what might not be known yet that concerns me.

When DWS is involved, there are always unexpected surprises. But I'll give Bernie more money if hiring security is needed to allow him his say without being gagged by party leaders.

[House of Roberts]

4. The beatings will continue

until morale improves.

[Gregorian]

5. The worst part about this is now I've got this vision of DWS with a holster, brandishing a pistol.

What is this all about, except covering their own asses? Clear top down violations occurred, as well as high disrespect for the Sanders supporters. This is a disgrace.

[floriduck]

6. I think she's at the NRA convention right now.

[seekthetruth]

7. Unity my ass.....

Shall we unite under neoliberalism, further exploitation of the workers in this country...... don't think so. Take your party unity and shove it, Lil Debbie!

[JaneyVee]

10. Yes, we will unite. We always do.

[seekthetruth]

19. Very short sighted.

Guarantee you we won't. Hillary is the problem....pro war, pro big business, pro establishment....which is seething with corruption.

[JaneyVee]

28. Nah, we will unite. Trump is the problem.

[seekthetruth]

33. Keep telling yourself that....

.....and get used to a President Trump. We're fucked either way if it's Her Majesty of the Corporate Empire.

Believe I'm alone in that line of thinking?

[JaneyVee]

39. So youre not voting for the Dem nominee?

[seekthetruth]

44. Not if they're not going to stand for liberal values, no.

Last I checked I can vote for whom I want, and I will. If you want to fall in line, then be my guest. Don't expect us to follow you.

[JaneyVee]

53. Trump isnt going to be your liberal savior.

[seekthetruth]

59. LOL

And neither is Hillary. So, I'm not too sure what your point is.....

Should I vote for Hillary simply because she's a democrat? Seriously, wtf? When did you people stop asking questions? I thought the Democratic party stood for questioning the status quo....? Now it's all about upholding the status quo....even when that status quo is being hijacked by neoliberalism.

[AgingAmerican]

48. Your GOTV efforts are about as effective

As luring vampires with garlic cloves

[sadoldgirl]

54. Not this year, that is why Trump won the

repug nomination. The dems are so far divided this
year that unification sounds like a joke.



and , of course, the indies are never needed for
any election, right??

[1StrongBlackMan]

57. Correction ... Democrats Always do ...

Many here are unfamiliar with that because ... will ...

[aikoaiko]

142. By definition.

Of course it remains to be seen if HRC can unite party loyalists with those who are not loyal the party, but more to issues. Or maybe its true that she doesn't them.

[frylock]

98. We always do.

And that's what gives license to the Party to shit all over progressives. I think this time it's going to be different.

[Joe the Revelator]

108. Not this time J-V

[mushroomhunter]

109. unite!

Donate and unite to elect Tjm Canova!

[CorporatistNation]

91. WE THE PEOPLE WILL UNITE UNDER YOUR STATED BANNER!

DEBBIE KNOWS WHERE SHE CAN TAKE THIS EXCREMENT!

[procon]

9. Where is the "repressive" stuff?

Look like reasonable, normal rules. Seriously, what do you see that so offends you?

[1StrongBlackMan]

58. Rules are, by their very nature, repressive ... when you don't think they should apply to you.

[procon]

74. That's what anarchsts think.

Some people might be gleefully hoping that's what happens at the convention, but it would kill us in the election if 1968 gets replayed in 2016. Trump wouldn't even have campaign after that.

[COLGATE4]

134. Perfect explanation!

[Renew Deal]

18. The fear isn't fake to Roberta Langes grandchildren.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512016519

[arcane1]

31. And the police sure are dragging their heels in responding to her police report!

I suspect those government employees are socialists.

[PeaceNikki]

42. Are they?

http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-nevada-death-threats-lange-democrats-las-vegas-police-461342

[arcane1]

45. Has anyone been arrested? That was two days ago.

[PeaceNikki]

49. Most of the calls were from out of state which would require federal intervention.

[arcane1]

50. So, no n/t

[riversedge]

23. Shame on You . Would you like it if your family was harassed and threatened??

[jwirr]

15. LOL "conventions should proceed without interruption or

interference of any manner". My God what type of convention is this? I have watched Democratic conventions since 1950s and that is NOT how they are run.

Oh I know what kind of convention it is and after-1980 convention. In that year the Rs turned their convention into an orchestrated dog and pony show and they crowned the king in style.

Unfortunately that is what we did also. Might just as well watch some reality tv.

[reformist2]

21. There will be no votes, except for the final roll call. It will be a show, a spectacle, a coronation

It will NOT be a real convention.

[jwirr]

26. That is exactly my point. It has been many years since we

have seen a real convention on TV. One that I stayed up all night watching. Prime time entertainment now.

[reformist2]

35. They want Bernie delegates there to be seen, but not heard. I wonder how that will work.

[That Guy 888]

70. I hope Hannibal Lecter masks, although that might be too scary for Senator Boxer

All the Sanders delegates could be wheeled in and one hand could be freed to applaud when ordered... maybe with some of those electric shock prods from the first Jurassic Park.

Whatever Debbie comes up with, I'm sure it will only increase Party unity.

of course

[stillwaiting]

105. Maybe some Guy Fawkes masks would be appropriate. nt

[kaleckim]

118. The corporations that DWS is throwing

the door open to at the convention thank her for everything. She's done a great job at beating back the left, and has shown that she is willing to go on TV and blatantly lie about people in her own party (to her left). The fact that this is being put forward in the context of protecting the state party in Nevada, with all the horrible things it did (on freaking camera), is downright shocking.

[Renew Deal]

16. The convention is a big show and our best opportunity to present a positive message

going into the election. It is not a playground for the losing side and trouble makers. The party wants to give all sides a chance to be heard so the convention runs smoothly. I hope the Sanders camp coughs up the extra money for security. Bernie will need it when he endorses Hillary.

[seekthetruth]

24. Do you endorse fracking ?

Of course you'll never answer the question, and Hillary supporters never do.

You're more interested in appearanes than substance. Take your neoliberal shit and move on.

Oh wait, we're about to! Good luck trying to win elections without us progressives!

[Renew Deal]

29. Why should anyone care what you think if you aren't a member?

See, that's the funny thing about it. Abandoning the party makes your opinion on party matters irrelevant and strengthens those that remain.

[arcane1]

34. All Hail The Party. The Party knows what's best for us all. The Party will take care of us.

[seekthetruth]

37. It's you who are abandoning the party, and it's progressive values.

Know Noam Chomsky? He was totally right about what he said about your candidate.

You probably don't know who he is because Dems like you are too busy watching M$M.

[seekthetruth]

40. Like I said.

You could give a shit about the earth.

Thanks for nothing.

[Renew Deal]

43. So let me get this straight. The person that's going to sit out the election cares about the earth.

But the one that will do everything they can to elect the democratic nominee doesn't. That makes about as much sense as Bernie Math.

[seekthetruth]

56. Listen.

I'm not going to "sit out the election" as you put it. I'm going to fight for what, and millions like me believe in, that we cannot stand by while corporations lay in bed with politicians to continue to fuck over the earth. She won't come out against fracking, and she won't come out again cap and trade for CO2 emitters.

What doesn't make sense is to support a candidate simply because they have a "D" by their name. What doesn't make sense is to vote for someone who supported a war that got us into a FUCKING 15 YEAR GODDAMN WAR! Does that make sense? Can you hear now (or read)?

Like I said, if it's H$llary or Drumpf, it's the SAME FUCKING THING! One just is more pleasing to the eye.....and I determine the qualities of a candidate much more comprehensively just because they are the first woman to run for the presidency. That simple.

Just because someone says they're a democrat nowadays doesn't mean they're liberal. Sure, they believe that we have a fucked up way of handling guns, women should be able to have the right to make a choice, and gay people should be able to marry if they wish. But that's just about the only thing that we have in common. When it comes to foreign policy, economic policy, and environmental policy, we're worlds apart. You guys honestly have much more in common with centrist Republicans than you do with Progressives. It's that simple. And many, many, many smarter people than you or I are noticing that.

[Renew Deal]

73. I trust that you are genuine about the situation.

These elections can be tricky. In 2008 I knew Obama would make a great president.

In 2016, we're doing the best we can. Hillary would be light years better than Trump in many ways. I don't think that's disputable to anyone that posts on DU. Letting Trump become president would set you and me back in more ways than we can think of. That's what it's about.

[seekthetruth]

83. But why are you so hesitant to support Sanders?

Yes, Obama has done a lot with the ACA. But we need to continue the path he started by taking healthcare out of the hands of profiteers and put it in the hands of the people (i.e. the government). Obama also has not done the right things in how he's continued to engage things in the Middle East. We opened up a hornets nest when we invaded Iraq, and supporting someone who voted for that war is ludicrous.

Why does it have to be a choice between Hillary or Trump? Again, what "it's about" is doing the right thing, and not doing what commentators on the tube tell us is the right thing because they have a vested, economic interest in seeing a specific candidate installed into the White House.

Again, Hillary would be better than Trump on a number of issues - mainly social - but the biggest problems we face nowadays......she's in line with Trump. The same neoliberalism, the same focus on corporations vs. efforts that help us collectively.

You'll never get through to us, just like we'll never get through to you. Hence, the need for a Progressive party. If you guys agree in what Hillary is representing, there's nothing wrong with that on its face. It's simply that you guys are a different party from us. And we're seeing that now play out during this election. And it's only going to grow.

I can't stand all of the hate and discontent towards one another, but what makes me absolutely furious is the thought that somehow I'm to blame if I don't agree with Hillary, and what the Democratic party stands for. Again, it doesn't stand for progressivism. It stands for centrist, neoliberalism. You have a right to stand for it....just don't claim you're progressive.

I'll be glad when all of this shit is over, and we can begin forming a new party. At least, I hope that happens. Then everything will be as it should be....you'll know what I stand for, and I'll know what you stand for.

[passiveporcupine]

136. And like Canada, we can find our Trudeau

And truly become a progressive country again.

I hope Bernie can get us there sooner, but if not...we've got to keep trying. And I agree the dem party is too deeply divided now. I am a lifelong dem and I don't want to come together with the neocon side of our party. We need a true progressive party and let the neocon dems remain the centrist party. It's all they are comfortable with. If even half the dem party split off and half the Independents joined us, I bet we'd be the strongest party out there. And most of the youth, as they come of age, will join the progressive party, so we will keep getting stronger.

Bernie is the beacon for our movement now. Maybe he can even help us form a new party.

[pinebox]

120. THIS! +1

[Fawke Em]

71. I'm a 28 year member of the party.

Are you in favor of fracking?

[Renew Deal]

77. No.

Are you in favor of a border wall?

[pinebox]

121. Well Hillary voted for a border fence

So there's 2.
Sounds like you may be voting against your own self interests.....

[Renew Deal]

123. Do you support the Brady Bill?

[pinebox]

119. Why should anyone care if you're not a member?

Because you need us in a GE. That's why. Without us, Hillary loses.
Otherwise, kiss her presidency adios.

[Renew Deal]

124. You can't have it both ways.

You can't say "screw you, I don't care" and also demand people listen.

[pinebox]

128. When you're drawing thousands to rallies

I think you may have a leg to stand on.

Sorry but a lot has happened this election cycle. A whole lot & it's only just beginning.

[Renew Deal]

129. You are not drawing anyone to rallies. Bernie is.

And he is quietly telling the party he is on board while he feeds you "revolution." Do you like being lied to?

Will you vote for the nominee, donate to the party, participate in other activities to get the nominee elected? If not, you don't matter.

[Bluenorthwest]

131. My issue is what Hillary is feeding you, and the fact that her boosters eat it up:

"It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s and because of both president and Mrs. Reagan — in particular Mrs. Reagan — we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something I really appreciate with her very effective low-key advocacy. It penetrated the public conscience and people began to say, hey, we have to do something about this too."

In reality about 30,000 Americans had died over 7 years while Reagan remained silent. Thousands protested his silence, got arrested, took many risks which Hillary claims they did not do, they did nothing until Ronnie showed the way.

Why do you accept that level of historic revisionism to be fed to the country on national TV from figures of authority?

[passiveporcupine]

137. Sounds like you are talking about Hillary and her supporters

they are the ones saying they don't need us, but Oh wait...you must vote for Hillary in the GE or we might get Trumped.

[riversedge]

20. Nothing repressive about these proposed guidelines as your OP claims

[reformist2]

22. If it shuts down debates or discussions of any issues by the delegates, it is repressive.

[riversedge]

27. No it does not. It is saying folks should act like adults.

[mindwalker_i]

63. "Act like adults" and take what they give us

Nice spin, but it really means STFU.

[Ghost Dog]

80. Isn't it also rather denigrating for delegates

to be referred to merely as "supporters"?

[apcalc]

30. Seems reasonable.

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. Should I even pretend to be surprised?

Those violent horror of horrors, bernie supporters who boo people and stamp their feet! We need safe spaces now for our leaders who have never, like ever, been in any event like this! Like EVER!

One has to wonder what universe these leaders live in... that was boo-stastic, but not violent.

[Tarc]

38. Nothing in this report is in the slightest way remarkable

Bernie fans are finding out that they will not be allowed to treat people in real life the same way they treat them when hidden behind a computer or smartphone screen. That's all.

[scscholar]

61. This. The light of day tames them

Well, except in Vegas, but that's Vegas.

[Fawke Em]

72. Light of day?

I suspect you'll see a lot of Bernie love and supporter in the light of day. There are four - possibly five - large Bernie rallies in the works for Philly.

[highprincipleswork]

41. When you're "despised", and you know you are, might be time for some personal readjustment?

Or you could become increasingly aggressive, paranoic, and try to shove your despised selfishness down everyone's throat.

[silvershadow]

47. The DLC is digging their heels into our party. nt

[CobaltBlue]

65. silvershadow—It is too late for the DLC types.…

Millenials are not buying into the DLC (as Jesse Jackson called it, “Democrats for the Leisure Class”) as the Clinton voters did from the 1990s.

Trajectory in this is that natural order will continue. To put it bluntly—without meaning to hurt the feelings of anyone sensitive to this—the 65+ voters (Hillary's best age group; the Republicans’ in the general) are not the future voting electorate. The 18–29 voters (using 2015 calendar, that’s people born between 1986–1997; and you can count the tail end of Generation X and the beginnings of the Millenials) are liberal in the vein that Franklin Roosevelt and the Democrats were during the party’s presidential realigning period of 1932–1964.

One of my favorite movies of this decade is Moneyball (2011). In it is this true line: “Adapt or die.”

I believe it will happen with this Democratic Party. If I am wrong, perhaps the Republicans could rebrand and steal; but that would probably take them until at least the mid–2020s. So, I think it is more likely the Democratic Party will be the one to do it. But, the party needs the Old Guard to leave. Exit their stage. And bring in people, and better empower current figures, who have vision. (That is, along with Bernie Sanders.) Leave insiders and out of touch players like Al From, the Clintons, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Ed Rendell, Harry Reid, and Charles Schumer (who should not replace Reid in leading the party in the U.S. Senate) to remain empowered—and we will get “leadership” with as much vision as Mr. Magoo.

[silvershadow]

69. Oh Dear God...out of that whole post, which I read and agree with...my takeaway

(which I had forgotten) is that Chuck Schumer is poised to take over...he will be NO better whatsoever than Reid. How do these types get picked, anyway?

[CobaltBlue]

76. silvershadow—Let me mention this…

One has to look beyond the presidency.

Who, in this party, is winning nominations from primaries to the more prominent offices.

Look at the U.S. Senate noms in 2016: Maryland, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

With Florida, Harry Reid has gone after Alan Grayson. Why? Grayson is not the Wall Street Democrat Reid and Chuck Schumer want in the U.S. Senate.

This is the Democratic Party. They want their most truly progressive officeholders marganized in a way that reminds one of viewing a film or watching a television program in which people who are not white are not in lead roles.

The Democrats, since at least the 1980s, have been doing neoliberal policies so they can have their cake and eat it too. (Wall Street.)

[KoKo]

51. She Needs to GO!

The more she raves the worse it gets! How can anyone ask us to support her? She's dreadful...knows nothing and just does what she is told.

Question is! Who is telling her what to do?

[mindwalker_i]

52. "... the Nevada chair who has received death threats from supporters of Bernie Sanders"

Has a police report been filed for this? Have the death threats been confirmed to be Sanders supporters, meaning, have they caught the people who did it? Hearsay won't cut it.

[sadoldgirl]

64. Especially since we know that Rove pulled a

similar trick years ago. Verify, then trust.

[jwirr]

55. I think they are setting us up to steal our votes in one way or

another. This is the PR before the event to convince the watchers that us Bernie brats are so terrible.

I hope that we have delegates who are going to use their phones to video what is going on and keep in touch with us on-line. I would like to see a communication system that includes communication with many of our delegates on the floor, communications with Bernie people who are outside the convention and communication with Bernie headquarters. Those of us at home want very much to be involved.

[Ghost Dog]

88. Will Comcast not claim exclusive rights

to communications from the convention?

[senz]

110. I agree, jwirr. As many eyes as possible on it.

Video coverage shared online. Live tweets throughout. Everything out in the open (Hill's least favorite place.)

[Nye Bevan]

60. Sensible, and necessary after the Nevada disgrace.

Unfortunate that this is necessary, but it obviously is.

The only other thing I would suggest is to bolt the chairs to the floor.

[SwampG8r]

67. Why bolt them? Its a proven lie one was thrown

Reinforcing a lie doesn't make it true

[passiveporcupine]

138. Hey, you can't disturb the meme

It's all they've got.

[That Guy 888]

81. How about pressing charges against those who issued "death threats"?

Saying "people like you should be strung up" is different from "I'm going to string you up."

So much brockian "chair-throwing" drama so little police reports.

The only other thing I would suggest is to bolt the chairs to the floor.

To me that's similar to republicans guarding against voter fraud, but whatever "catapults the propaganda".

[frylock]

100. Why not just bolt the doors to ensure that the progressive riff raff never gain entry?

[senz]

111. No chairs were thrown so drop the deceit.

[Nye Bevan]

112. Well.... there is photographic evidence of someone hoisting a chair above his head.

Even if it was totally innocent, this is kind of a dangerous thing to do in a crowd of people. Bolting the chairs to the floor would prevent this.

[senz]

114. Then he slowly lowered it, then a fellow Bernie supporter hugged him.

But the corrupt media that is in the bag for the corrupt candidate reported "chairs thrown" over and over and over again.

Lies.

Lies for the purpose of discrediting supporters of the only non-corrupt candidate running.

[Nye Bevan]

115. It could easily have slipped out of his grip while he was holding it over his head,

and fallen and hurt someone.

Why did he hoist it up anyway? I've never seen anyone do this at any conference I've been to.

[senz]

117. If you'd been present during election theft you might have.

That never goes over very well.

[passiveporcupine]

139. Yeah, that chair might have fallen on a Bernie supporter

Enough with this shit. He was standing surrounded with a group of his own team and they immediately grabbed the chair away from him, and then they hugged him. Bernie supporteres immediately got control of the situation. He was crying because of the awful and unbelievable behavior of Lange. If that had happened to Hillary supporters, there might actually have been chairs thrown, or punches. Like that Wendell Pierce guy who hit a Bernie supporter in the head (a woman no less) after grabbing her by her hair so she couldn't avoid being hit...just because she said she supported Bernie.

Hillary supporters are the violent ones, Not us. We throw things like dollar bills at fund raising crowds...not punches.

Now, how does that feel? Being called violent because one of your team did something violent.

[Waiting For Everyman]

62. Why bother to even HAVE a convention?

What's the point? They decide everything behind the scenes, orchestrate the votes with no input, and that's it. A rubber stamp.

Oh, that should go over like a lead balloon.

And I'm sure that will be a BIG HELP in fixing the bad feeling from NV.

DWS is a malignant moron.

[Lizzie Poppet]

68. Enough people still buy into the delusion that we're a democratic society.

Conventions are the sort of tradition that keeps up appearances. Bread and circuses...and a lot of people still seem unaware that the bread is stale and the circus sucks.

And yes: DWS is a malignant moron. That's really damn well put!

[dana_b]

78. and they are allowing only four areas for Bernie protesters - at a

maximum of 38,000 people. What?! Try 380,000 at least! And I'll bet that they are all 1/2 a mile a way or more. Fuckers.

[jwirr]

92. This is why communication between the various factions of

our supporters is important.

[LuvLoogie]

66. Repressive?

[Downwinder]

75. Nothing worse than a party that nobody shows up for.

[jwirr]

93. I wonder what the effect of a walk out would be. Who loses?

[Downwinder]

95. Be better to know it in July than November.

When power plays go wrong, they go very wrong.

[jwirr]

96. Agreed. We need to be very careful and thoughtful about

what happens at the convention.

[JDPriestly]

79. The Party should cover all costs.

The Hillaryites caused the problem in Nevada.

DWS needs to resign. She is out of touch with ordinary voters -- at least in California.

And Barbara Boxer? What in the world was she doing speaking at the Nevada convention?

Was she there specifically to cause trouble?

Where was Harry Reid the senator from Nevada?

It was a set-up and an excuse to silence Bernie voters.

And then they want us to vote for Hillary in November?

I'm beginning to wonder whether Debbie Wasserman-Schulz is actually a Republican agent. (Joking a little but not all that much.)

[passiveporcupine]

141. Exactly

The Party should cover all costs.

The Hillaryites caused the problem in Nevada.

And the problem was theft of a democratic process. There was no problem from Bernie supporters other than yelling (yes, a few who got nasty with their yelling, but it was still just vocal protest, not violence).

But none of that would have happened if the fascist Lange hadn't screwed up the whole convention from the very beginning. And when the anger started building, she could have tried to get control back by actually following the rules, but she just kept on going with her power trip. She was determined to have the outcome she wanted. As a result, nobody voted for delegates. Now it's up to attorneys to decide what to do with the resulting fiasco.

Barbara was there as a surrogate for Hillary, to speak on her behalf, like Nina Turner was there to speak on Bernie's behalf. Nina tried to calm the anger down and get things going in a positive direction again. Barbara just stirred things up more and pissed people off. She should be ashamed of herself instead of wagging her finger at the crowd and yelling "shame on you" as she was escorted out with her safety squad.

[hootinholler]

82. HEY DWS!

Maybe if you weren't cooking the books for your BFF Hills and then appearing in public all doe eyed and fucking indignant that people would dare to fucking attempt to prevent a Kangaroo Convention via properly raised motions that were ignored by the fucking chair, which, BTW, was not thrown.

Let me give you one whack with my clue stick: It wasn't the Bernie crowd that instigated this.

A tiny modicum of fairness would go a long way to preventing these incidents. But that's not what you're looking for. Don't think for a moment that we don't see what you are doing here. Sending Boxer to insult Bernie supporters and then blow kisses at them before flipping them off on her exit, was a brilliant stroke to whip up the ire of the authoritarian wing of the party and fuck the fairness out of the rules.

We don't mind getting fucked so much but you damned well better kiss us, and some lube would be nice. Great strategy! We'll see how it works out for ya.

[BillZBubb]

84. Apparently the DNC has accepted fascism as it's model.

Nevada was their Reichstag fire. DWS is a disaster for the party.

[warrprayer]

86. The mask is off

Now we see the real face of corporate repression.

Thanks for forcing their hand, Bernie.

It won't be as easy for them from now on.

[pa28]

90. I love the repeated references to vandalism and graffiti while failing to mention it was chalk.

Someone wrote "free the 64" and some other non threatening slogans in CHALK and now they need extra security. Oh the horror.

[jwirr]

94. They are acting like it was 9/11.

[brooklynite]

99. "senior officials with both campaigns to be on the floor of the convention"

I'M BEING REPRESSED!

[frylock]

102. Oh, how cute. The Democrats are going to set up a little safe space.

My gawd, Trump is going to eat them alive.

[Jester Messiah]

103. Krystallnacht all over again.

Stage a crisis, then react to it.

[jillan]

106. This is what Dubya did in 2004. Congrats Dems it's official.

Today's Democratic Party is now the Republican Party pre Reagan.

[pinebox]

122. +1

[MadBadger]

107. Couple points: 1: DWS is still hated, that hasnt changed. 2: What is so awful about the new rules?

[apnu]

116. What is with the hyperbole? "Repression"... Really?

Quote:

The guidelines called for cost sharing for extra security, more meetings to hammer out issues ahead of time and for senior officials with both campaigns to be on the floor of the convention to help reign in supporters if need be..... conventions should proceed “without interruption or interference of any manner,” including “auditory or visual distractions.”

Where is the repression?

[randome]

125. Hyperbole? What's that?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Armstead]

126. Much as I dislike DWS that actually makes sense

[MineralMan]

127. Nope. Here is part of the Nevada convention official rules:

As you see, they were broken. Every one of the rules of decorum. Yet, those who broke the rules were not ejected, were they?

Decorum
a. All delegates, alternates, and guests are entitled to attend and participate in the
convention free of harassment or intimidation. Anyone harassing or attempting to
intimidate any delegate, alternate, or guest to the convention shall be ejected from the
convention immediately and shall forfeit any fees paid for the convention or other
convention activities.
b. Any intentional disruption of any convention activities may result in immediate ejection
from the convention, including the forfeiture of any fees paid for the convention or
other convention activities.
c. Guests invited to speak to the convention shall not have their remarks or presentations
interrupted or interfered with in any manner, including auditory or visual distractions
from the floor. Violation of this rule may result in immediate ejection from the
convention, including the forfeiture of any fees paid for the convention or other
convention activities.
d. Noisemakers of any kind are prohibited at the convention.
e. Conversation on the floor should be kept to a minimum out of respect for guests,
delegates and speakers. Those delegates, alternates, and guests wishing to converse
should exit the floor.
f. The Sergeant(s) at Arms shall have the authority to enforce these rules with the
approval of the Convention Chair.

Source: http://nvdems.3cdn.net/ea5a7f0df495b0cf4c_z2m6bnqh5.pdf

[Uponthegears]

130. Does anyone think it's sad

that, even with the benefit of hindsight, Hillary supporters claim it was the protestors whose voices were silenced in Chicago in 1968 by the party elite, and whose bodies were beaten by the cops, who were the villains and not the war mongering corporate plutocracy who gave us HHH?

[restorefreedom]

132. good luck with that, deb

this horse has not only left the barn, but is in the next state.

philly will be a scene, and it will be hillary and the dnc's fault. if she cares one iota about this country, she would step out now. but she does not.

eff them both

#bernieorbust
#neverhillary

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

133. Hell, forget the delegates and just invite cops.

[mhatrw]

135. “It’s not about Nevada any more, it’s about 9/11,” she replied.

Remember 9/11!