If Sanders runs 3rd party, Clinton wins. Here's why:

[ucrdem]

Right now the Bernie coalition consists of disgruntled/disaffected Dems, independents, and new voters. The Dems go Hillary. The Independents split or go to Trump. New voters (20-30) either split or favor Dems. Trump gets the luntatic right, Bernie gets some Independents, and Hillary gets the Obama coalition + half or most new Dems.

It might be harder but she still wins. So bring it on.

[uppityperson]

1. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to predict the future with accuracy?

[BillZBubb]

2. Keep telling yourself that.

[Ash_F]

3. Sanders in not going to run third party

I would spend more time analyzing turnout because that is going to be key this cycle. Republicans have been ahead.

[6chars]

4. he might

sort of his life story

[ucrdem]

8. Yep.

Which is why I thought letting him on the stage with nothing but a pocketful of promises was a very bad idea.

[senz]

49. Solid record of achievement. Thorough, complete issue development

which, of course, he wrote himself.

Bernie's well thought-out proposals: https://berniesanders.com/issues/

Bernie's legislative achievements, a partial list: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511841756

Bernie accomplished more in the Senate than Hillary: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511840648

Your candidate has nothing but money, power, spousal name recognition, a mediocre and spotty record from a carpetbagged Senate seat, and a disastrous stint as SOS, obtained via a political deal.

"Let him on the stage?" Such hubris.

[CorporatistNation]

125. AGREED SUCH HUBRIS... The BEST Candidate of The THREE Would Be By A Large Margin Bernie Sanders

So THAT results in a Hillary Win? Very doubtful!

[Armstead]

77. "Letting him on the stage"?

That's a telling statement

[morningfog]

13. No he won't. He's made that clear.

[ucrdem]

18. Yes he has.

But clearly the possibility exists.

[morningfog]

20. No it doesn't. He would have to start last month getting on ballots.

This is baseless fear mongering.

[ucrdem]

22. Baseless, yes, but let's be clear: Sanders no longer presents a threat to Dems in November.

But yes, it's entirely academic.

[Scootaloo]

27. Same possibility as Hillary shaving her head and leaving the race to join the Hare Krishna, sure.

[ucrdem]

30. LOL, now THAT might affect the outcome in November. nt

[Autumn]

51. I so wish she would.

[ancianita]

61. I'm glad he won't. It's not in the long term interests of a big tent party to not try to unite.

[Autumn]

68. Bernie will never rush to join the Hare Krishna.

[senz]

67. Yeah, just what we need

a thoroughly corrupted Hare Krishna.

[Autumn]

71. My friend, I bow to your delightful wisdom

[senz]

80. ty Autumn

So glad you're here for the duration. It won't be too much longer.

And I really appreciate the spirit candy.

[Rattlesnake Chaser]

143. Tell Clinton the sixteenth largest voting bloc are Hare Krishna members

and require that she convert before getting their votes.

Or something.

[senz]

48. Yeah, four terms as mayor, then 25 years in the House and Senate.

A lifetime more EARNED, solid experience than Hillary.

[cherokeeprogressive]

83. Yeah. And pigs might fly out of my butt.

Might. I put the odds of Bernie Sanders running as an independent at roughly the same.

[ucrdem]

5. But he's always got that in his back pocket.

That's his big bargaining chip. But alas it's lost most of its value.

[senz]

73. He rejected it from the get-go.

Are you really this fearful? Will the world come to an end if you can't put a corporatist warhawk in the WH?

[Silver_Witch]

130. It was never a bargaining chip!

He said from the beginning he would not do such a thing! He is trying to bring back the dem party not destroy it!

[Andy823]

16. Yes republican turnout has been ahead of Democrats

But one reason for that was that so many republicans did NOT want to see Trump win, and they turned out in record numbers to try and stop him. Sure Trump will get the batshit crazies in the party, the KKK, the NRA, and all the other usual republican voters, but that won't be enough. He will also get pumped up by the right wing media who will try and convince people he isn't insane, but again that won't work. A recored number of new voters are registering all over the county for one reason, to keep Trump out of the WH. There is no way he can convince enough voters to vote for him.

[Fawke Em]

39. Correct.

Unlike the other two candidates, he keeps his word.

And I agree with your assessment of analyzing turnout.

The issue is that the disenchanted Democrats and Millennials who would have vote for Bernie and won won't vote for Clinton will cut into that already lower number of Dems.

[DLCWIdem]

113. not really

They did a survey his new voters haven't voted in the primarybut they do in the general. So he's bringing out new primary not new voters.

[AgerolanAmerican]

6. And she'll ride to the coronation on her unicorn and give free Skittles to everyone

you may want to actually run the numbers there

There's no way that Sanders as 3rd party candidate helps Clinton unless for some reason you think he's going to peel yuge numbers of voters from Trump.

[ucrdem]

9. It wouldn't help, no, but at this point the Bernie rump is not going to be all that helpful anyway.

It wasn't always so clear but the last couple of weeks have made it much clearer.

[arcane1]

7. You FINALLY found a scenario where Clinton wins!

[ucrdem]

11. After California and NJ get through voting

it will be just about every scenario.

[seabeyond]

10. Absolutely. If Clinton runs against Trump, she wins. If Clinton runs against Sanders and Trump,

she wins. She is the only one that shows she knows her game, the adult, and she wins.

Besides, trump and Sanders supporters are mostly in the same camp.

[ucrdem]

15. There's no doubt that Trump is taking cues from Sanders.

And he's crazy but he's also crafty so, yeah.

[Scootaloo]

36. You need votes to win.

The problem facing Hillary is that she's spurning 40% of her own party. She's made it clear that she's not only going to ignore us, but that she's going to do what she can to work against the interests of the left. That's real inspiring for voter turnout, isn't it, shitting on nearly half of your party... Which includes the overwhelming majority of people who are set to be the party's next generation.

And at the same time she seems to be doing Republican outreach. Pandering for Jeb's donors, coming up with plans to appeal to conservative white Republican voters, the lot of it. While she might squeeze some money out of the privilege class (they're fine with whoever wins, after all) Republican voters aren't going to go for her. You and the rest of her supporters love making a case about all the ludicrous shit she's taken from Republicans, well, who do you think eats that stuff with a spoon? They hate her.

And independents? Most independents are independents out of a distaste for "politics as usual." If you offer them a Clinton dynasty on one hand, promising politics as usual, and you offer them the outgassing colon ulcer of Trump who promises to shake up as much as he can get his hands on... well... Hate to say it but Clinton isn't likely to wow the crowd there. This is looking like an "independents stay home" match-up at best.

Clinton's gonna have some work to do ahead. DWS can't carry her bodily over the GE finish line. All her primary voters can't do it either - especially since some amount of those voters won't be real interested if her opponent isn't a Jew (hate it all you want, but yes, it's a factor in the primary, same as Obama's race was.)

She needs ot shore up her own party support, first. Demands that the plebs know their place and fall in line won't do it. Kind of the opposite effect, actually. She needs ot assure the left of the party that she's willing ot work for us as well - and NOT in that trickle-down bullshit way of "What's good for my big donors will be good for you too, trust me!"

Then she needs to figure out how to appeal to Independents. This is a hard one, 'cause they're all over the place. Maybe first stop, withdraw the notion of giving her husband a cabinet position. Dynastic nepotism, again, huge turn-off for indies. And no, for the record, whether or not you think he's a good pick doesn't matter. Clinton could appoint Rafalca to cabinet position and you'd praise her shrewd judgement and her efforts to appeal to Dressage Horse-Americans. Independents will see one Clinton giving another Clinton a cushy position (Over finance, no less?) and will break out their barf bags.

Then, and only then, after securing her own party and making whatever appeals it takes to get Independents, should she try Republican outreach.

By doing it backwards, she's just spinning her tires and spraying all of us - you included - with the mud. You might thank her for the free facial pack, but others aren't quite so willing to take mud in the eye.

[seabeyond]

40. Over 80% of Sanders People will comfortably vote for Clinton. Nt

[Scootaloo]

43. Wouldn't hurt for her to make the effort to make sure and cement that.

[seabeyond]

84. You know what? Not my place. Not Clinton's place. It is not enough for her to reach out.

We are talking about demands made. You know how many people are demanding I beg them for their vote? Not gonna do it. It is like the vote being ransomed. Personally, I think htat is chicken shit. I do not respect that. Personally. I feel a greater responsibility and feel that in voting to. Educating and being informed. Make our choices. I feel strongly it is that important to get a Dem. I do not buy into the meme that both parities are the same, or that it is a lesser of two evil. I think that is lazy or wrong thinking. I hear it often. From my own people, and like I tell them, if you truly believe that, do not vote. Who am I to say. Our right to do what we want with our vote.

Also, from my perspective, how I see things. Clinton has a very progressive, very doable, and I think better policy than Sanders. But, even if one does not believe that, with any type of honesty, her plans are progressive and they certainly kick repugs ass.

So.... I feel that a person will vote because they know it is important and if they don't? If I have to buy their vote? Nothing will satisfy them, and they won't vote anyway. I would rather direct attention to others that are more opinion. Possible votes is just not great enough for the aggravation or the selling out or the time, effort or cost.

Way back when I tried to have a conversation about why one voted fro Dem, regardless and too many people said, .... No way, no how.

Ok, I believe you all.

(And "you" not as in you but as a whole).

[Scootaloo]

86. It's Clinton's job to convince people to vote for her.

I'm talking about appealing to voters she's going to need. Voters she and her campaign and her supporters have spent all this time brushing off, dismissing, insulting, belittling, threatening and now, even assaulting.

Call it blackmail or demanding or ransoming if it makes you feel better. But it's the reality. Hillary Clinton is not owed votes any more than any other candidate - Sanders would have to be doing the outreach and reconciliation if he were in the winning position, just as Obama had to do. If Clinton wants to win the presidency, she's going to need to make the case for herself to people who aren't sold on her. And if she's as smart as people keep telling me she is, she'll start with the division in her own party.

[seabeyond]

89. I disagree. I do not think Clinton has done all the stuff you allot her. I think by her policies

alone she has given Democrats a reason to vote for her, or as you say, reaching out to progressives, Sanders supports.

I have never suggested Clinton is owed votes, or that she feels she is. Just another offensive meme that Sanders supporters have used for a year, untrue, and so tired.

[Scootaloo]

90. I've yet to see you or any of her supporters enumerate her policies.

"She's gawt policies. Lawts of policies. The best policies. Her policies will know your sawks off. Everyone loves Hillary Clinton's policies."

[seabeyond]

91. Clintons policies are not one liners, or two words, like free college, free healthcare.

As her policies came out we had discussions about them. But nothing with an easy sound bite. Should I go to her website and copy and paste for you? Are you really telling me, I need to spend my time gather the information for you?

I at least assumed you knew what her policies are. Or if you were interested then you would go explore her website. Why is it so important I spell them out to your?

[Scootaloo]

98. And see, right there

You tell me about her great policies. Her progressive, awesome, totally realistic policies. But you won't say which policies you're thinking of, and you won't make a case for how you have reached that opinion of them. Instead, when asked, you just turn and shit on Sanders' policies and proposals and talk to me like you think I'm an idiot.

Newsflash, Seabeyond - Sanders isn't going to be Hillary's opponent in the GE, so all that knee-jerk hatred you have towards him isn't going to help you or her out at all. Also, when you brag about her policies, you might want to have something to say about them when someone asks you about them, or your enthusiasm for them. Sneering down at them isn't going to help, either. Shitting on Sanders' policies and talking down to his supporters isn't going to make them see the light of Hillary Clinton.

If you're going to crow about her policies, you should at least have a short list of what you think her best ones are, and some opinions to go along with them. otherwise it looks like you're either just supporting her "because I'm supposed to," or your only involvement is to hate the guy who she won't be facing in November. Unthinking loyalty and punching down are both bad looks, you know.

[Silver_Witch]

131. Really?

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It is not the candidates job to run for office and earn a voter's respect and vote. Really we should all vote dem regardless of what candidate the party runs.

We have been doing that for decades my friend and look what it got us! Not the right strategy!

[seabeyond]

134. Some are going to listen. Most of the PUMA 2016 will not listen for any reason.

Clinton is reaching out, did reach out and will continue to reach out, in everything she is says. A person can hear it or not, it is up to them.

strategically speaking, the numbers are not high enough, to put in the effort they demand, with the rewards being nada. Just does not make intellectual sense, or common sense.

[Silver_Witch]

135. Sorry I am listening carefully!

I would love to hear some of that reaching out so that if she is the Democratic nominee I can pull that lever for her. Right now I can't in good conscious. Been a dem since my first vote in 74 and have often picked the lessor of two evils. Now this election I don't want to pick from the lessor of two candidates who will both ruin this country albeit in very different ways!

I will continue to listen and hope to hear any reason to vote for someone so much of a Hawk that the wars will NEVER end!

[seabeyond]

137. If you look at all the things she has discussed, you would see a progressive agenda. If you do not

see that, you are not listening, IMO and you fall into the category of too much effort, with too little reward.

[Silver_Witch]

139. Thanks for the judgement .!

No defense of her war stands I see. No hey did you see she supports [fill in blank] which is super wonderful! No just words and insults. Hence the reason I can not see why to vote for her.

Yes I have heard her speeches !!! Mostly I, I,I, not we and I have reviewed her record as SoS. Most!y kill, war, kill and ohh a fewer have to help woman unless they are collateral damage!

Yes I have read her policies most of which she will not get done because the house and senate are ruled by republicans who hate her as much or more than the hate Bernie. So why vote for her?

[seabeyond]

140. And, this is exactly why people are not going to bother.

[Silver_Witch]

142. Because you have. No defense of Hillary's War mongering!

That is sad. Thanks for playing though!

I have worked for lots of women from my generation who thought to get ahead they had to be toughter and harder than any man they were competing with. They were wrong.

Woman politicians of Hillary's (which is my generation) was wrong. She became toghrper and harder and as arrogant but she lost her soul.

And worse she stayed with a man that embarrassed her nationally for the power! That is the biggest pity if all. I kind of hope she wins so she finds it was not worth it after all. And I voted for him and was sad about that!

Love always wins. It takes longer but it wins. And it is better now than it was when I was young. Hell I was fired for getting pregnant! Silly me! Now we have extended leave so mothers AND fathers can bond with third newborn.

The world is a much better place and we are making progress not enough and not as much as I would like. But Hillary has not contributed on wit to the progress. Not from her one woman one man sacred marriage speech to her we must bring them to"heelfirst", then address the problem.

Real woman address the problem first they don't punish children!!!!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. If Sanders run 3rd Party he'll get my vote.

[Attorney in Texas]

14. Sanders isn't running 3rd party. Hillary wouldn't win if he did but he's NOT RUNNING AS A 3rd PARTY!

[ucrdem]

17. Of course he's not. And of course he'd lose again if he did. But so would Trump.

In other words it doesn't make a huge difference either way. Clinton still wins.

[morningfog]

19. It's all acedemic because he won't run third party.

But you misidentify his support. There are a lot of Dems, close to 10 million who support him and who are not "disaffected." We're just not centrist Dems.

In a three party race, Bernie takes about half the Dems and more than half the Indys. Trump takes his Indys, anti-Hillary conservatives and rabid right.

Hillary takes half the Dems. You'd have to analyze by state, but I think it would come out to a close electoral race. Too close for my comfort.

[ucrdem]

21. He doesn't take half Dems in a 3-party race.

He might take 10% of those who voted for him. But even that would be a stretch. And that's 10% of less than half.

[morningfog]

23. It's not going to happen, but I would be interested in seeing three-way polling.

I think you are way off.

[ucrdem]

25. You're right, it isn't going to happen. nt

[Betty Karlson]

24. New voters don't favor Dems when Clinton sits on top of the ticket. Not with Bernie still an option.

This kind of whistling past the graveyard is delusional.

[ucrdem]

26. Hard to say but conservatively they split. If they were already R they'll stay R of course. nt

[Betty Karlson]

28. Nope. Sanders has cross-over appeal in that age bracket.

We have known that for months.

[ucrdem]

31. He's pitching to them but then would they have voted in November anyway?

If Bernie's the only attraction to some, the likelihood of their turning out in November decreases to the point of negligibility.

[Betty Karlson]

87. Nope: if he is on the ticket, they will come out to vote.

YOU and your ilk would like them to not turn up - neither in the primaries nor in the GE. That much is clear.

But the 20th century is over, and the millennials will help to bury the status quo - this year or the next.

[ucrdem]

92. Yes, they'd vote for Bernie, and he might even win Vermont.

But would the mono-Bernie voters vote for Clinton or Trump in November without a Bernie ticket? Possibly but the likelihood is that they'd either vote Clinton or split and effectively cancel each other out.

[Betty Karlson]

103. "he might even win Vermont" - where did I hear that before?

Oh right: just before he derailed one coronation attempt after the next.

[TwilightZone]

97. 72% of Sanders supporters are already indicating that they'll vote for Clinton in November.

And he hasn't even dropped out yet. It'll go up when he withdraws and endorses Clinton and again when some of the rest have some time to contemplate the possibility of President Donald Trump.

The only places where it's assumed that they won't show up en masse are here and other similar sites. DU isn't representative of reality, though that's nothing new.

[Betty Karlson]

102. That's only his Democratic supporters. His independent supporters show detest Clinton

which is why she is a GE disaster waiting to happen. - and trusting DWS to make her happen.

[morningfog]

29. Here is a three-way map to play with:

http://www.270towin.com/2016-independent-third-party-electoral-map/

[ucrdem]

62. And the winner is . . .

Thanks, that was fun! YMMV!

[morningfog]

69. I had a hard time even coming to conclusions in most states.

[davidlynch]

100. I'm a Bernie supporter but I think that map is probably damn accurate. n/t

[ucrdem]

106. Thank you!

[DLCWIdem]

114. No way does he get Virginia not with the AA pop there

[ablamj]

111. Funny

I got 535 for Sanders and 0 for Hillary and Trump. Imagine that...

[DLCWIdem]

115. fantasy island

[HooptieWagon]

133. Wow, delusional. Must be the Clinton meth.

Clinton is not going to win Florida in a 2-way race, zero chance she wins it in a 3-way race.

[Hiraeth]

32. A lot of Rs in my area do NOT like Trump and they hate Clinton. Go figure. At this point,

I am just watching from the sidelines.

[ucrdem]

33. Bernie would doubtless get a substantial turnout, maybe some electoral votes,

but I think the analogy would be to when Perot ran against Clinton in 92. Not exactly the same dynamic but similar.

[cali]

34. He won't. This is ludicrous conspiracy theory junk from hill fans

[ucrdem]

35. Of course he won't. But the pitch isn't coming from us. nt

[TwilightZone]

46. Hill fans aren't the ones suggesting he run third-party. Look around.

[rateyes]

37. Hey, did you say "bring it on?" So you WANT

Bernie to run third party? I hope Hillary agrees with you and says the same thing!

[ucrdem]

38. To clarify, I mean "bring it on if you insist." No, I'm not endorsing it.

But it's not my say-so either way.

[DLCWIdem]

116. did you take into account where he can't get on the ballot because of sore loser laws

[ucrdem]

120. No just filing deadlines which are through this summer with one in early September.

The only one he's missed as yet is Texas but he'd need to get on it if he's going to do it:

https://ballotpedia.org/Filing_deadlines_and_signature_requirements_for_independent_presidential_candidates,_2016

[Silver_Witch]

138. Of course you are endorsing it.

Your OP your endorsement. Or is it just flame bait?

[Joe the Revelator]

41. Cool. Then nobody should take issue if he does it.

[senz]

42. Translation: some Hill Folk fear a 3rd party run.

And no, Bernie supporters are not "disgruntled/disaffected" Dems.

Bernie supporters are FDR-style Dems, real Dems.

[ucrdem]

45. I was worried about a Bernie run, but she soldiered on through.

I don't think a three-way race would be any easier but the result would still be the same.

[senz]

52. Brockian dirty tricks and election theft is now "soldiering on through?"

Aww, is she struggling with all that money, all those big political deals, corrupt, sold-out politicians, the entire MSM and Debbie's DNC working in her favor?

Really? Poor, poor thing. Buck up and soldier on.

[ucrdem]

56. Another way of expressing it would be to say she's winning,

but I was trying not to offend.

[senz]

63. Oh I love it! Pity pity cry cry / chortle chortle brag brag.

I have not seen that particular reversal outside of forums that allow rightwingers.

Self-pity combined with triumphalism. SO Republican, that.

[TwilightZone]

44. He won't. Also, Independents don't split or go Trump. CBS's poll shows Hillary up 51/33 with Is

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-poll-hillary-clinton-leads-donald-trump-but-voters-view-both-unfavorably/

Sanders won't go third party. He'll endorse Hillary as he said he would. Besides, another poll shows 72% of Sanders supporters are already on board. That number will increase when Sanders drops out and endorses Clinton and will increase further as people have some time to contemplate the idea of President Donald Trump.

[ucrdem]

47. Yes, I agree completely.

Thanks for the stats!

[TheBlackAdder]

50. It's not happening so you can stop with this devisive bullshit, trying to scare people.

[ucrdem]

53. If it isn't happening there's nothing to be afraid of. And no, it isn't happening. nt

[TheBlackAdder]

66. It's not happening, not "If it isn't..." No other reason to say that besides stirring the pot!

[ucrdem]

70. Exact same words.

I'm not sure what you're bothered about.

[TheBlackAdder]

75. You know. Playing coy or ignorant doesn't work.

.


You are getting the negative attention that you seem to desire though.


.

[ucrdem]

82. It isn't going to happen. Can we agree on that at least?

[St Aug girl]

78. If you don't think this will happen why did you write the OP?

Just to create more dissension?

[ucrdem]

79. Because there might be some who would like it to. The point is that it wouldn't matter. nt

[The_Casual_Observer]

54. Even though the republicans are running a fascist know-nothing clown, he

will probably get 46% of the vote, just because they always do. It's too close and the stakes are too high to take any chances.

[HooptieWagon]

55. Must be Clinton Meth.

Cool story, Bro.

[tonyt53]

57. You left out the most important factor - by November most Bernie-ites will have lost interest

[PoliticAverse]

58. Sorry, but he's not going to run 3rd party. n/t

[thesquanderer]

59. re: "It might be harder but she still wins."

She doesn't have enough leeway, she can't afford for it to be any harder.

[Hoyt]

60. My concern is she "wins," but not with a majority of voters. I think it goes to Congress then and

they will elect the candidate that appeals to mostly white people, likely Trump (although those who support Sanders could always hope it's him).

If Sanders runs 3rd Party, I guess his supporters will just accept the biggest lie of this campaign -- "I will not run 3rd Party," or something like that.

[ucrdem]

65. I get a big win for Clinton on this electoral map:

[Hoyt]

72. I hope you are right.

[ucrdem]

81. I think Bill got less than 50% of voters in 92

Yes it was tough sledding but he did get reelected at least.

[TwilightZone]

95. Yep, he did, but Perot was in the race.

No Perot-like candidate this time.

For perspective, Clinton still beat Bush by a larger margin than Obama beat Romney.

[TwilightZone]

96. Huh, that's interesting.

That also translates to a Clinton landslide if Sanders isn't in the race, of course. And he won't be.

Similar to the NY Times projection.

[TwilightZone]

94. She doesn't need a majority. Popular vote doesn't elect the president.

The electoral college does. In current projections, she's way ahead, though things can and will change.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/05/04/upshot/electoral-map-trump-clinton.html

She may get a majority of the popular vote anyway. There aren't any significant* third-party candidates running this time, so an Obama-second-run-like total of 51% isn't unrealistic.

*(No, Jill Stein fans, Stein doesn't qualify as significant.)

[ucrdem]

108. I think I see what you're getting at now. Here's what happens if she doesn't get 270 EVs:

What happens if no presidential candidate gets 270 Electoral votes?

If no candidate receives a majority of Electoral votes, the House of Representatives elects the President from the 3 Presidential candidates who received the most Electoral votes. Each state delegation has one vote.

The Senate would elect the Vice President from the 2 Vice Presidential candidates with the most Electoral votes. Each Senator would cast one vote for Vice President.

If the House of Representatives fails to elect a President by Inauguration Day, the Vice-President Elect serves as acting President until the deadlock is resolved in the House.

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/faq.html#no270

So yeah they might throw it to Trump, unless he really tanks or acts like a jerk in the campaign, in which case they might find a way to respect the will of the people.

[Warren DeMontague]

64. And if aliens shaped like giant neck pillows invade Earth and kill us all, it wont matter.

Speaking of hypotheticals that are not going to happen this year.

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. Sanders will not run third way

you need to share whatever the hell you are smoking

[barrow-wight]

85. I doubt very highly that he will run third party.

Video of his wife insisting, without conditions, that he wouldn't would be played over and over again on a loop.

The only thing more horrifying to me than him being the nominee is her being the first lady.

[DesMoinesDem]

88. There is no scenario where Hillary becomes president.

[ucrdem]

93. Here's one to consider:

[BootinUp]

99. you are outa yer mind. lol. wheres the sarcasm tag?

[PatrickforO]

101. "...OK," said Patrick doubtfully. His head tilted a bit, and a crease formed between his eyebrows.

"But," he asked, "how is it that you think Bernie will do that? He has, after all, said he would not. Do you know something the rest of us do not?"

[Tavarious Jackson]

104. Sanders and Trump are after the same voting block nt

[ucrdem]

105. That's it in a nutshell.

Most or all Dems who voted for Sanders in the primaries will understand that he can't win the general and vote for Hillary to stop Trump. Reasonable swing voters will do the same, except those that either like Trump (he gets those) or dislike him but dislike Hillary more (Sanders gets those). So basically they split the anti-Clinton vote and Clinton wins, possibly without a popular majority, but with an electoral majority looking something like this:

[Tavarious Jackson]

107. I agree.

There just aren't enough angry white men for both Sanders and Trump. If Sanders goes Indy it may HELP Clinton. He will take votes from Trump.

[ucrdem]

109. Exactly.

Maybe that's why they let him run in the first place. That would be very Clintonian!

[Tavarious Jackson]

110. Lol

I love it.

[DLCWIdem]

117. Question why wouldn't she take Virginia she won it in the primary extensive AA pop?

[ucrdem]

119. You know that's a good point. Lets give her Virginia

[SheenaR]

112. She would win WA, ME and RI?

And that's just at first glance. Nobody is getting to 270 if those 3 are in a race.

[ucrdem]

118. Fine, give all three to Bernie and she still wins with over 270:

[SheenaR]

124. Perhaps you missed where I said

And that was just at first glance. We disagree. I don't think anyone would get to 270

[PDittie]

121. Not enough time left to get on the ballot

The deadline is my state just passed. He needs thousands of signatures in dozens of states. His campaign could have done this when it was still flush with cash and fully staffed, but not now.

It ain't hap'nin.

In short order, the only thing Hillary and her minions will have left to complain about is how forcefully he supports her and shepherds his supporters onto the bandwagon. My guess is that it won't be enough to satisfy her and them.

[Vinca]

122. I disagree and don't lose sleep over what might be. He has no intention of doing that.

[yuiyoshida]

123. There will be no third party....

Jill Stein of the Green Party offered him a VP spot, so far, He hasn't taken it, and said he would not run as a third party candidate. All this figuring out of who goes where, is futile. Its not going to happen.

[CanonRay]

126. I'm so glad Bernie is smarter than that. n/t

[TheFarseer]

127. What if Martians attack? And Hillary turns out to be a robot?

Bernies not running third party. Why even talk about it?

[Silver_Witch]

128. More crazy hyperbole!

Ber ieisnot going 3rd party. He said he would not and he won't. And it is too late in most states to get on the ballot.

Where do you all get this stuff????

[dubyadiprecession]

129. Are you trying to bum out BS supporters?...

They would rather hear that the world is coming to an end, than a possible third party run by BS that somehow helps hillary.

[HooptieWagon]

132. So you support Sanders running as a third party in the GE?

Really? Wow, you Hillarians aren't too bright.

[shawn703]

136. Looks like someone needs a basic understanding of the Electoral College

To include who decides on the president if no candidate reaches 270 EVs.

[aikoaiko]

141. Look out, some could see this advocating for a 3rd party candidate.