Is there anybody here who *really* think Hillary will not be the Nominee?

[LaydeeBug]

Truly. She is ahead by every measure and will win this handily.

But, by what avenue will you get there? Do you think you will *scream really loud*, and we will change our Hillary-loving minds? Do you think you'll play the "1968 Democratic Convention Card" (oh, *we* know what you're implying) and supers will just *flock* to the one with the least number of votes?

Oh, *I* know, you think that independents and unregistered or unaffiliated voters should be allowed to vote in the DEMOCRATIC Primary...and maybe if you pout and shout, the Democrats will just cave and say, "Ok, Republicans, err, unaffiliated voter, we will let you register same day and influence our primary".

It is just nonsensical, and what should be a coalition has turned bizarre. Because of proportionate delegation...the same thing that kept him in the race earlier is the same thing that will prevent him from even catching her. It's called *math*.

And the math isn't changing.

No matter how much stomping around happens.

[seekthetruth]

1. Sadly, she might be.

And the real loser is the earth.

[Autumn]

2. I doubt it. But many of us don't give a fuck if she's the nominee.

I for one still won't do a damn thing to support her.

[Ned_Devine]

4. Exactamundo

[leftynyc]

16. As long as you can't do

your hissy fit here, nobody cares.

[Autumn]

19. I haven't had a hissy fit yet.

[LaurenG]

58. condescending much?

[cwydro]

36. Reckon we won't be seeing much of you around here then.

[Autumn]

38. I'm not leaving, it's not in the TOS that I'm required to do anything to support her.

[msongs]

3. sorry but only bernie is allowed to say he will be the nominee. when hil says that its baad nt

[Shadowflash]

5. She probably will be.

But it's not over until it's over.


Let the process play out.

[casperthegm]

6. She'll probably be the nominee

And I'm sure that the DNC and HRC supporters would like the Bernie supporters to either get in line or quietly go away. Good luck with that. Cuz it ain't happening. You know why? Because this isn't about one guy. It's about changing the way politics works in this country. Because right now it doesn't work for the people.

[YouDig]

9. So what's your plan? Vote green, sure, but that won't change a thing.

Write a lot of angry twitter posts? Won't change anything either.

The votes are the thing. The country will change, but it will change in the ways Hillary has described, because that's who got more votes.

[casperthegm]

10. I'll work to fix the party or help form one that represents interests of the people

I'd like to see the Democratic party be saved. But you can't save a party that refuses to participate in its own rescue.

[bahrbearian]

31. Like a full blown Alcoholic they have to hit rock bottom. If they stuck to moderation they could..

have bee participating in a rescue. But no they want to go Rock Bottom First.

[Todays_Illusion]

7. It is after all a thought war, we are ruled with our consent, so it is all dependent upon how many,

think Bernie Sanders versus how many think that other candidate into the nomination.

The necessity of constant propaganda so it depends on which side gains the consent, or our thoughts.

[grasswire]

8. me

I'm counting on Obama to let justice roll down. He either has to cut her loose or be dragged down with her. And she will betray him again and again if she has the opportunity.

[840high]

11. me2

[Waiting For Everyman]

14. me3

Let justice be done, though the heavens fall.

[MH1]

24. What, exactly, will Obama do, that results in Sanders getting the nomination?

[grasswire]

34. not stand in the way of justice for her actions. nt

[MH1]

45. So if he doesn't stand in the way, what do you think will happen?

[grasswire]

46. I have no knowledge of what will happen, nor does anyone else.

We might have an idea of what SHOULD happen, but then we don't have the FBI files, do we?

[MH1]

47. Oh, I'm just asking what you think, not what you know.

Of course you don't know and I don't know. But in your post #8 you sounded confident (the way I read it) that Obama would "do something" that would result in Hillary being moved out of the way so that Bernie could become the nominee.

I'm just trying to figure out by what mechanism that would work.

[grasswire]

57. not interfere with the process.

that's what he should do. He will be crucified either way.

[bahrbearian]

33. I was counting on the Public Option, comfy shoe's, but no we got a grand bargain.

I would not be counting on Obama, he let her run her little racket while SOS, either he's an enabler or in on it.

[LaydeeBug]

39. Like when she lost, and went to work for him?

LOL Obama is chompin' at the bit to campaign for her.

[grasswire]

44. what a mistake that was for him. nt

[Orsino]

12. The only ways I can think of that she would not be...

...are not things I would wish for.

[lumberjack_jeff]

13. 5% chance she won't be the nominee. 60% chance she won't be president.

85% chance she won't be eligible to run as the 2020 incumbent.

[B2G]

23. 60% chance she won't run this year

But she'll get the nomination.

[LaydeeBug]

59. care to make a friendly wager on that one? nt

[One Black Sheep]

15. you never know

[oldandhappy]

17. I expect her to be the nominee and I expect her to win.

I will stay off DU during the GE because the weeping will be more than I can bear. When I see how fragile people are with Bernie, I know Trump will have you on your knees. Good thing clinton is tough.

[HughLefty1]

18. No I honestly don't think she will be the nominee..

Of course I hope it will be Bernie. My gut says it could still be Biden after Clinton keeps proving to be such a weak, scandal ridden candidate.

[MH1]

25. How? By what course of actions would that happen?

[boston bean]

20. happy to be the 5th rec! In the name of reality!

[frylock]

21. Present

[bkkyosemite]

22. No

[Progressive dog]

26. She will be the nominee,

she is 3 million votes and nearly 300 pledged delegates ahead of Sanders. She needs less than 100 delegates to win. The super delegates will not move to Sanders, they are Democrats, not revolutionaries.

[leveymg]

27. After the FBI report confirms she violated her security clearance, she will be replaced

Even if the FBI passes on any indictment recommendation, the findings that she committed numerous acts that violated her Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement will make it impossible for her to continue her run as President. That will be politically fatal to her possibility of being President. The events that have led up to this are compiled and sorted out here: http://www.thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_Timeline

I know it's a lot to absorb, but you have to be aware of the facts. Hillary has violated the law. The specifics of the law the FBI will apply have been posted here and are in the links: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511898037

BTW: I think she will never spend a day in jail, she will be pardoned as an unindicted co-conspirator before Obama leaves office. But, she will never sleep in the White House again, either.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. LOL

[leveymg]

40. I think you've used that one before.

At least put a decent amount of work into your put-downs, man. Respect the process.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. I never used it before. Do you think your insults could ever intimidate me?

Your contempt and the contempt of your cohorts fuels me.

It's half the fun of coming here, not literally of course.

I don't know what is more risible; your political analysis or your legal analysis.

[leveymg]

48. I'm delighted you get a rise from my analyses

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. I am glad you conceded your analysis is risible. Maybe it will be the motivation to do better.

<insert puerile response below, include image if possible>

[leveymg]

50. You started this, remember?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. I haven't used this one in a long while

<insert puerile response below, include image if possible>

-DemocratSinceBirth

You didn't disappoint me.

I haven't used this one in a long while, and never on DU. If you are a day over twelve years old your mom and dad must be really disappointed.

[leveymg]

53. It's Friday evening. Give it a break.

First round's on me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. Have a nice evening.

[Dawgs]

28. I want Trump to lose and the only way that will happen is if Bernie is the nominee.

So, Hillary will probably be the nominee, but if the party was smart they will find a way to get her to drop out. She will be down by 15+ points nationally to Trump by the middle of summer if she doesn't.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. Let's make a wager...

Your analysis is simplistic and moronic. She's winning the non-white vote 85-15.To be down by fifteen points she would need to be down 77-23 among whites.


If she's down by fifteen points in the real clear politics average I will leave DU forever. If she isn't you leave DU forever.

The only thing I am more confident of that I would win my wager is you don't have the courage of your convictions to take it in the first place.

[pinebox]

29. Me

And I think this guy will have something to say about it.

[corkhead]

30. If your candidate has such a lock on it, why are you so concerned about us?

your condescension is inspiring.

[Aerows]

32. You mean as opposed to the President?

Yeah.

[trudyco]

42. Can't tell yet

The FBI investigations haven't gotten far enough along. Any regular person would've had their ass in jail by now. But, idk, cuz Fitzmas (Fizzlemas). Iran Contra. Can't even get the 911 report out 15 years later... because we have to pretend we don't know the Saudi's colluded and poor Iraq was framed. Little things like that.

The weird thing is she might get properly prosecutedized cuz she's only a democrat, not a Bush.
Maybe she's been alerted to the Billionaire Donor class and they are taking a vote right now.

[Betty Karlson]

43. I truly think she shouldn't be. And I cling to every last hope she won't be.

And other than Camp Weathervane, I don't count my chickens before they hatch.

[runaway hero]

52. no.

I don't think she was ever not going to win...but this has gotten too ugly for me.

[LaurenG]

55. Raises hand nt

[Depaysement]

56. And the Zen Master says, "We'll see."

[hootinholler]

60. If you're that certain

Why are you being a sore winner?